Ivanhoe Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/02/19/ottawa-police-excuse-for-horses-running-over-freedom-convoy-protesters-departs-from-reality-n524398 https://twitter.com/OttawaPolice/status/1494806139971813376?s=20&t=De_eB9YcUu4l7jmmS6u7Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 hours ago, BansheeOne said: I'm saying that clearing an unlawful blockade isn't fascism. I still have no idea what this emergency thingy is even necessary for, much less if it's adequate, appropriate, considerate or proportionate. It's absolutely vital so that voters and the world can see that Trudeau is a strong decisive leader who is Doing Something. Other than maybe giving them more power to seize assets and freeze bank accounts, I can't actually see what else it's necessary for. And no, I don;'t think there's some dark, creeping authoritarianism behimnd this. It's just panicky idiots making things up as they go along without much thought past the next opinion poll. They just ain't that smart or competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/02/19/ottawa-police-excuse-for-horses-running-over-freedom-convoy-protesters-departs-from-reality-n524398 https://twitter.com/OttawaPolice/status/1494806139971813376?s=20&t=De_eB9YcUu4l7jmmS6u7Q If you drive your mobility scooter into a police horse, that's what happens. A disabled asshole is still an asshole. This use of horses to separate an unruly crowd from a police line is a normal riot control procedure. Edited February 20, 2022 by R011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, R011 said: And no, I don;'t think there's some dark, creeping authoritarianism behimnd this. It's just panicky idiots making things up as they go along without much thought past the next opinion poll. They just ain't that smart or competent. Ok. What is the difference in the practical outcome? A dictatorship by idiots instead of a dictatorship by criminals? Or a dictatorship by idiot criminals? Facts are facts, and a charge by mounted riot police against senior citizens in mobility scooters is not something that could be seen as good, and according to rule of law and correct policing principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, R011 said: If you drive your mobility scooter into a police horse, that's what happens. A disabled asshole is still an asshole. This use of horses to separate an unruly crowd from a police line is a normal riot control procedure. So the Bicycle that was thrown is now a mobility scooter that was driven into the horse. Do we have actual footage of this happening, you know of the bicycle being thrown? Or of the bicycle turning into a scooter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, R011 said: It's absolutely vital so that voters and the world can see that Trudeau is a strong decisive leader who is Doing Something. Other than maybe giving them more power to seize assets and freeze bank accounts, I can't actually see what else it's necessary for. Could it be that they're attempting to crush dissent? 45 minutes ago, R011 said: And no, I don;'t think there's some dark, creeping authoritarianism behimnd this. It's just panicky idiots making things up as they go along without much thought past the next opinion poll. They just ain't that smart or competent. In what world is seizing people's assets without legal authority anything but theft? If the folks started stealing police vehicles, that'd be ok then right? Just people being idiots and panicky, not evidence of criminal wrong doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, sunday said: Ok. What is the difference in the practical outcome? A dictatorship by idiots instead of a dictatorship by criminals? Or a dictatorship by idiot criminals? Facts are facts, and a charge by mounted riot police against senior citizens in mobility scooters is not something that could be seen as good, and according to rule of law and correct policing principles. All of this still ends up before the courts who will rule according to however the cases play out. As far as I know, people being arrested will need to be charged or released within a day or so and tried under ergular laws. The government will not be able to keep the emergency in place for longer than it takes to clear up this matter and Parliament would not let them do it if they wanted to. Senior citizens in mobility scooters shouldn't drive them into police horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Interesting....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 https://mobile.twitter.com/jkenney/status/1494002803555155971?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1494002803555155971|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-20972457503485937088.ampproject.net%2F2202042210001%2Fframe.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, futon said: https://mobile.twitter.com/jkenney/status/1494002803555155971?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1494002803555155971|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-20972457503485937088.ampproject.net%2F2202042210001%2Fframe.html Piece of bird cage liner. Nowhere on that page can it be read about the loss of freedom to the oppressive state. All the signatories accept the righteousness of the oppressive dictates, they merely quibble about the timing. Edited February 20, 2022 by DKTanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I suppose only footage of the incident if it comes from the CBC will be viewed by some as credible. Any other source, if just footage recorded by cameras NOT owned by the state will be deemed invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, R011 said: All of this still ends up before the courts who will rule according to however the cases play out. As far as I know, people being arrested will need to be charged or released within a day or so and tried under ergular laws. The government will not be able to keep the emergency in place for longer than it takes to clear up this matter and Parliament would not let them do it if they wanted to. So when they emergency is over the accounts will be unfrozen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Simon Tan said: Interesting....... About 10 years ago my wife and I took a cruise and one of the couples assigned to be our dinner mates were from Canada. They had just returned from a three year assignment in Singapore and couldn't stop singing the praises of how well a dictatorship can make a country run. I'm quite sure they are giving a standing ovation to Justin and his dictates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, rmgill said: So when they emergency is over the accounts will be unfrozen? As you pointed out, there was no vote to establish the necessity for emergency powers, therefore, presumably they are in perpetuity along with, I imagine, the frozen assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, DKTanker said: About 10 years ago my wife and I took a cruise and one of the couples assigned to be our dinner mates were from Canada. They had just returned from a three year assignment in Singapore and couldn't stop singing the praises of how well a dictatorship can make a country run. I'm quite sure they are giving a standing ovation to Justin and his dictates. One could say there are good dictatorships, and there are bad dictatorships. You may bet the kind Castro junior would be installing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, R011 said: Senior citizens in mobility scooters shouldn't drive them into police horses. Having looked at the footage. I'm trying to decide if you're lying deliberately or just that bloody dumb. Sure as hell looks like a double line of mounted police riding in and bulldozing over the woman and whom ever was standing there with her and everyone else to make a gap for the police to fill, using the disruption and shock to move the people back. https://rumble.com/vvamp4-canada-police-uses-horses-to-trample-protestors-from-the-freedom-convoy.html https://rumble.com/vvalg5-in-ottawa-an-elderly-woman-called-for-peace-and-love-before-being-trampled-.html Edited February 20, 2022 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I suspect that if this lady had rammed a police horse with her mobility scooter, we would be seeing the footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Memories of riots in Barcelona at the start of the 20th century... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I thought you were going back further... (tongue in cheek) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Mikel2 said: I thought you were going back further... (tongue in cheek) That is the beginning of the Spanish Independence War against Napoleon. Those cavalrymen are foreign invaders, and could be legitimated as part on an armed conflict. But those troopers trampling little old ladies in Ottawa? Those could be defined as criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mikel2 said: I suspect that if this lady had rammed a police horse with her mobility scooter, we would be seeing the footage. I expect if she was just an innocent victim of police misconduct, we'd have seen that footage well before any official law enforcement footage if any. Half that crowd is probably recording this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 43 minutes ago, DKTanker said: As you pointed out, there was no vote to establish the necessity for emergency powers, therefore, presumably they are in perpetuity along with, I imagine, the frozen assets. You can imagine what you want. In reality, though, powers are limited to thirty days and Parliement is debating the imposition of this act now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, sunday said: That is the beginning of the Spanish Independence War against Napoleon. Those cavalrymen are foreign invaders, and could be legitimated as part on an armed conflict. But those troopers trampling little old ladies in Ottawa? Those could be defined as criminals. Prettyt unlikely given that police are permitted to use reasonable force when putting down a riot. reasonable force depends on circumstances, not the ideology of the rioters. Were these peopel leftitsts, I'm sure you would be wanting police to open fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, R011 said: I'm sure you would be wanting police to open fire. Oh, really? And, pray tell, how do you manage to be so sure? Probably you think I've proposing using Tiananmen-like tactics against peaceful demonstrators not of my political leanings, do not you? Then, feel free to quote me proving that I have done so. I beg you. Edited February 20, 2022 by sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, DKTanker said: Piece of bird cage liner. Nowhere on that page can it be read about the loss of freedom to the oppressive state. All the signatories accept the righteousness of the oppressive dictates, they merely quibble about the timing. Yes, they don't mention the root of the problem. It mentions nothing about how the mandate violates how truck drivers ought to have a choice about takng the vaccine. Perhaps it could be viewed as strategic syntax to get Biden and Trudeau to consider theplea of the letter. But even if so, without making a statement about a right for a person to choose to take it or not weakens a push for that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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