Because, Canada

[rmgill]

We need a thread for 'The rise of authoritarianism in Canada'.

[Ivanhoe]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

We need a thread for 'The rise of authoritarianism in Canada'.

Let's hold off until after Castreau changes the name to the People's Democratic Republic of Canada.

 

[Ivanhoe]

[DKTanker]

9 hours ago, glenn239 said:

I would bet that once they have the downtowns cleared, (which will probably be done by this weekend), they'll release him on bail.

The persons I'm specifically referring to are Tamara Lich and Chris Barber, arrested for and charged with "counselling to commit mischief.  Evidently "mischief" is the latest euphemism for protesting authoritarian rule.

[DKTanker]

3 hours ago, rmgill said:

We need a thread for 'The rise of authoritarianism in Canada'.

I would now like to extend a heartfelt ovation to our friends north of the border.  They have once and for all answered the question, Fascism a phenomenon of the Left or the Right?  It's now so obviously clear that fascism belongs to the left that political science texts are being rewritten even as we speak.

[DKTanker]

Justin's Yellow Shirts in action.

[R011]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

And for how many days had protesters in Cuba blockaded the streets of Havana before police took action?

[DKTanker]

7 minutes ago, R011 said:

And for how many days had protesters in Cuba blockaded the streets of Havana before police took action?

Wow, comparing your own nation's oppression of civil rights to that of Cuba.  In both cases governments found the need to oppress people for protesting against oppression.

[R011]

58 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Wow, comparing your own nation's oppression of civil rights to that of Cuba.  In both cases governments found the need to oppress people for protesting against oppression.

Ivanhoe who posted the Tweet is Canadian?  I thought he was American.

 

And they were and are entirely free to protest and did.  What they couldn't do was blockade the streets of a major city for weeks on end.

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Let's hold off until after Castreau changes the name to the People's Democratic Republic of Canada.

 

I am reminded of the scene in Das schreckliche Mädchen when Sonja is trying to explain to the other students on the bus about how the Federal Republic of Germany is the democratic one and the German Democratic Republic is not the democratic one. 

Don't go searching for video of the scene in English....

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

And for how many days had protesters in Cuba blockaded the streets of Havana before police took action?

You mean during the closure of the entire province or otherwise? 

You can't escape that the Mayor Of Ottawa stated that people would be arrested for activities like unlawfully demonstrating. 

Look at the BLM protestors clearing the streets of bottles, barriers, intact windows, cobble stones, rocks, etc...

 

[DKTanker]

33 minutes ago, R011 said:

Ivanhoe who posted the Tweet is Canadian?  I thought he was American.

 

And they were and are entirely free to protest and did.  What they couldn't do was blockade the streets of a major city for weeks on end.

Is there nothing your new fascist government can do that will be a step too far?  Did Tamara Lich blockade any streets?  How about the journalists your government is arresting because they are reporting, rather propagandizing?  How about your finance minister, or whatever you call him, today stating that if you are or were, a Trump supporter, your assets were going to be frozen?

Edited February 19, 2022 by DKTanker

[rmgill]

29 minutes ago, R011 said:

Ivanhoe who posted the Tweet is Canadian?  I thought he was American.

 

And they were and are entirely free to protest and did.  What they couldn't do was blockade the streets of a major city for weeks on end.

Now if they'd only rioted over a hockey game or blocked streets for the George Floyd Protests, it'd have been fine. See also your PM going and bending the knee for that. 

But blocking streets because you're going to be stripped of your ability to work at all....yes. VERY out of bounds. Clearly the proper redress to that is stripping the people of their property, their money, their ability to work and if they happen to have a pet when arrested, take that and kill it too. Are they going to sell the kids captured in the bouncy houses into slavery to the Taliban?

 

[R011]

58 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Is there nothing your new fascist government can do that will be a step too far?  Did Tamara Lich blockade any streets?  How about the journalists your government is arresting because they are reporting, rather propagandizing?  How about your finance minister, or whatever you call him, today stating that if you are or were, a Trump supporter, your assets were going to be frozen?

By "reporting" you mean embedded with protesters while police are trying to move them.  That tends to happen whenever media involve themselves in a police operation.  Journalists and indeed anuyone else wishing to report or comment on the protest and government not getting in the way can do so.  And the justice minister was saying that "pro-Trump" supporters of the protesters who donated money might find themselves frozen not just Trump supporters.   Some mainstream press is not commenting favourably on that statement.  I understand your post wouldn't be as dramatic without those additons, so no wonder you didn't make them.

 

It's clear you don't actually understand what fascism means, but prefer to be as hyperbolic as Trudeau et al on the other side.

Edited February 19, 2022 by R011

[rmgill]

These emergency powers. Have they been granted? Or did I hear correctly that the debate in parliament had been suspended? 

[rmgill]

25 minutes ago, R011 said:

By "reporting" you mean embedded with protesters while police are trying to move them.  That tends to happen whenever media involve themselves in a police operation.  Jpournalistsa and indeed anuyone else wishing to report or comment on the protest and government not getting in the way can do so. 

Sure was a lot more allowed coverage during BLM riots....

 

How exactly is this supposed to work? Perhaps you can explain it to me given where I have worked for the past 26 years.

For reference, one of my old co-workers got to see Tianamen square from the ground, with a camera. 

 

25 minutes ago, R011 said:

And the justice minister was saying that "pro-Trump" supporters of the protesters who donated money might find themselves frozen not just Trump supporters.   

Are BLM donors having accounts frozen? One of their number just tried to assassinate a political candidate.  

 

25 minutes ago, R011 said:

Some mainstream press is not commenting favourably on that statement.  I understand your post wouldn't be as dramatic without those additons, spo no wonder you didn't make them.

Is it made up like fascist, racist, transphobe, nazi flag waver? Or is it in fact true? 

25 minutes ago, R011 said:

It's clear you don't actually understand what fascism means, but prefer to be as hyperbolic as Trudeau et al on the other side.

Fascism is the absolute power of the state over the rights of the individual. 
 

Illegal demonstrations that cause disruptions should involve arrests, but seizing assets, freezing bank accounts under terrorism/emergency war powers for charges of mischief? Threats to do so over political views?
 

Yeah, Looks a lot like fascism. 

[DKTanker]

48 minutes ago, R011 said:

By "reporting" you mean embedded with protesters while police are trying to move them.  That tends to happen whenever media involve themselves in a police operation.  Journalists and indeed anuyone else wishing to report or comment on the protest and government not getting in the way can do so.  And the justice minister was saying that "pro-Trump" supporters of the protesters who donated money might find themselves frozen not just Trump supporters.   Some mainstream press is not commenting favourably on that statement.  I understand your post wouldn't be as dramatic without those additons, so no wonder you didn't make them.

 

It's clear you don't actually understand what fascism means, but prefer to be as hyperbolic as Trudeau et al on the other side.

Welp, we're done.  You sound like a Hitler Jungen defending Adolf.  It is patently clear that you support your newly installed fascist state.  

[R011]

40 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Welp, we're done.  You sound like a Hitler Jungen defending Adolf.  It is patently clear that you support your newly installed fascist state.  

Oh, if only that meant you would stop posting complete shit about people, places, and things you know nothing about save what wing nut fringe YouTubers say.

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, R011 said:

Oh, if only that meant you would stop posting complete shit about people, places, and things you know nothing about save what wing nut fringe YouTubers say.

Ok....

Is there's not an exercise of emergency powers in Canada? How often have these powers been used? 

Is the government giving banks the authority to freeze accounts and seizing assets of people involved in the protesting? Did the Minister of Finance not talk about this specifically? 

Did the Mayor Of Ottawa NOT say that 'illegal acts like demonstrating will make you subject to arrest'? Not "illegally demonstrating" but 'illegal ACTS like demonstrating'. That's a very important distinction? 

R011, You're not addressing the points. You're deflecting. Badly. 

[Colin]

This Act has never been used before in 34 years, it's predecessor has been used 3 times, WWI, WWII and the FLQ Crisis also by his father. You can bet they won't use the provisions of this Act to go after the people and funds responsible for this:

 https://www.coastalgaslink.com/whats-new/news-stories/2022/2022-02-17workers-shaken-after-violent-attack-at-morice-river-drill-site/

and this never triggered it either:

https://www.intelligencer.ca/news/local-news/rcmp-offer-could-signal-end-of-local-mohawks-railway-blockade

 

[BansheeOne]

Why the trouble with the Emergencies Act at all for what looks to me like a bog-standard police action to clear an unlawful blockade? Am I missing something about Canadian federal/provincial distribution of police powers and available officers? There must have been thousands of such actions against millions of protesters throughout the West over the years, and this one's not even particularly forceful; again, the breakup of the Occupy Wall Street protests in 2011 looks comparable. Or is this more like a "national emergency" in the US which is mostly about funds and has been declared about pretty much anything from establishing a bank holiday to building Trump's border wall?

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

looks to me like a bog-standard police action to clear an unlawful blockade?

BECAUSE IT'S FASCISM, that's why.

 

[futon]

Part of the bigger picture, Quebec was getting into the process of putting a fine/tax on those that were unvaccinated, a remaining 10% of the population. That was announced at around January 12th or so. It was followed with controversy. They changed their mind about implementing that on February 1st.

Edited February 19, 2022 by futon

[sunday]

https://vancouvertimes.org/index.php/2022/02/19/three-people-dead-after-ottawa-police-crackdown-on-peaceful-truckers/

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At least three people have died during police action on the peaceful demonstration in Ottawa, including an elderly woman that was trampled by police on horseback. The woman was rushed to hospital where she succumbed to her injuries. Two male protesters mysteriously died early Saturday while they were in police custody. Police have not released the identities of the two men, or their cause of death to Vancouver Times.

Also, a view from India. Some similarities with certain situation caused by the late Indira Gandhi.

[DKTanker]

3 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Why the trouble with the Emergencies Act at all for what looks to me like a bog-standard police action to clear an unlawful blockade? Am I missing something about Canadian federal/provincial distribution of police powers and available officers? There must have been thousands of such actions against millions of protesters throughout the West over the years, and this one's not even particularly forceful; again, the breakup of the Occupy Wall Street protests in 2011 looks comparable. Or is this more like a "national emergency" in the US which is mostly about funds and has been declared about pretty much anything from establishing a bank holiday to building Trump's border wall?

Occupy Wall Street went on for months and months becoming a public health hazard (unlike the trucker protest who have evidently brought their own portable toilet facilities).  Nor were OWS grievances directed at specific government acts, they were simply sad that the world isn't a fair place to live.  The Canadian Freedom Truckers, on the other hand are protesting against what they feel, and many others believe, are oppressive dictatorial mandates by the Canadian government.  They are protesting against specific government actions.  And now that the Canadian government is literally using deadly force to put down those protests, the Freedom Protestors gain ever more credibility and righteousness.