bojan Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 Distrust comes, among others, from realization that small time agriculture producer (ATM ~70% of agricultural production is from small producers) has no chance in hell in EU and only decently sized producers (ATM ~15%) can survive, and for decent profit you need to be a corporation. Look how Croatian agricultural production went after they joined EU... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ink Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said: This is probably a similar illusion to the one asylum seekers from Africa have. You come to the land of milk and honey and all your worries are gone, money is raining down from above and all you have to do is collect it. I think Bojan's answer above is pretty much the same as mine. Except that I would extend it beyond agriculture. Serbs aren't (contrary to appearances) workshy or disorganised. Not any more so than, say, Slovaks. Most people by and large just want to work and earn enough money to raise their kids. And, in the long term, EU membership would probably be good overall for ordinary folk (just). But with the current lot in power - the potential of ordinary people is being stifled (it's not so black and white but neither is it good). And who put them in power and is keeping them there? 2 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said: How successful EU membership will be depends on the country, its politicians and its citizens. If politics sends absolutely contradictory signals to the people, the people are more likely to develop distrust. And the government can then say, see, we told you so... I agree, on the whole. Although I would point out that there is also a big geopolitical component to it. Serbia is unimportant, which is why there's no geopolitical pressure to a) have it inside the European Union and b) make that membership work. The Baltics are (or rather were) a corruption and crime disaster (i.e. not fundamentally different to Serbia) but was and is a broader incentive to make their membership work. Serbia doesn't have that luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 The EU is quite a shitshow now, except for a few (unrequited) crushes it might not be interested in expanding for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ink Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 18 minutes ago, urbanoid said: The EU is quite a shitshow now, except for a few (unrequited) crushes it might not be interested in expanding for years to come. Good map! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 3 hours ago, ink said: Serbs aren't ... workshy or disorganised For God's sake, no. That's not what I meant! I meant rather excessive expectations. And that in connection with the reference to the work of the government. So I didn't word that correctly. Excuse me. I am aware that politics in Serbia is quite a 'do the splits'. Otherwise we're not that far apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ink Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said: For God's sake, no. That's not what I meant! I meant rather excessive expectations. And that in connection with the reference to the work of the government. So I didn't word that correctly. Excuse me. I am aware that politics in Serbia is quite a 'do the splits'. Otherwise we're not that far apart. No, I'm sure you worded it fine. Sorry about that, I've been talking about Serbia and the EU all week with some Dutch guys at my company so probably some of those conversations bled over into here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 7 hours ago, urbanoid said: The EU is quite a shitshow now, except for a few (unrequited) crushes it might not be interested in expanding for years to come. The Turkey bit made me laugh. Edited September 14 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, Josh said: Who the hell wants Turkey? But yes, we’ll met. "Even more you" in this case means that the EU would want Turkey in even less than in case of Serbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 4 minutes ago, urbanoid said: "Even more you" in this case means that the EU would want Turkey in even less than in case of Serbia. Yes, I had reread it and edited my post afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 43 minutes ago, urbanoid said: "Even more you" in this case means that the EU would want Turkey in even less than in case of Serbia. Olli Rehn, who led EU-Turkey negotiations in the early 2000s, has since told that most EU countries were very positive towards Turkey's membership, but process was actively sabotaged by some - most notably Austria and France - who made it very clear that they would never accept Turkey into EU. Unresolved Cyprus situation provided a convenient excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 nah, nothing ever happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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