Hms Queen Elizabeth

[DougRichards]

 

 

 

Land battles! Trafalgar was a sea battle. Not many ships named for land battles.

 

There are so many names to choose from I imagine that they rarely see the need to take a new one.

 

Can't see "Henry Grace à Dieu" being used any time soon, though

Agreed. I don't see Republican (ex-French Républicaine) coming back soon either. I like such names as Relentless, Resolute, Truculent or Turbulent.

 

Didnt we name some Monitors in WW2 after Land battles, or is that my imagination?

 

HMS Roberts (F40)

Frederick Roberts, 1st Earl Roberts VC

HMS Abercrombie (F109)

General James Abercrombie

 

WW1 monitors were named after Generals.

 

 

Ah that was it. Thank you for that.

 

 

There is an old story that Churchill originally wanted to name the first Royal Navy 20th century monitors after US generals (and one admiral): General Grant, Admiral Farragut, Robert E. Lee, and Stonewall Jackson.

[Adam_S]

That's got to be better than French marshals.

[DougRichards]

That's got to be better than French marshals.

 

As the USA was neutral at the time it was not considered politic to name the vessels after US military figures, but it sounds like a great idea to me, particularly as the turrets were built in the USA and sold to Britain, after being withdrawn from sale to Greece after that country fell.

[Ken Estes]

Slumming in Edinburgh a few days, I ran up to Rosyth to see the historic dockyard of WWI and WWII fame [now privatized] and hoped to get a look at the ships. Damned if the dockyard closes on Fridays, perhaps one reason for the long building period?

 

Thus, I had no way to B.S. my way close to them or to the new observation platform of the visitor center. Also no photos are allowed while wandering about the parts of the Dockyard not behind security fences.

 

So, FWIW, I attach some photos from just outside the West Gate, with QE fitting out on the quai and PoW still in the graving dock, where I could see little detail on my walkthrough except that her elevator wells are still empty and lots of coiled cabling arranged about the forward island. So I wonder if the latter is really at 80% and the former anywhere close to seatrials in a few months.

 

Sorry that I had to shoot into the sun:

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by Ken Estes

[sunday]

Nice pics, and not so bad. Thanks, Ken.

[JasonJ]

Yeah nice pictures, the first one is kind of pretty. She looks almost finished.

[Stuart Galbraith]

You kind of wonder why we need a Royal Yacht, when we have something THAT big we can sail round the world to show off.

 

Im kind of warming to it. Ive misgivings whether we can keep something that big in service anymore, but I do hope it works out. The country needs something it can take pride in.

[JasonJ]

You kind of wonder why we need a Royal Yacht, when we have something THAT big we can sail round the world to show off.

 

Im kind of warming to it. Ive misgivings whether we can keep something that big in service anymore, but I do hope it works out. The country needs something it can take pride in.

 

I reckon I like it more than you

[Stuart Galbraith]

Lets put it this way, im more of an Army and Air Force man. But as far as force projection, there has only really been one force that has been consistently good at it, and thats been the RN. The way the world is today, im damn glad we are getting them. My misgivings are more down to the mean way the MOD try to do force projection, on the cheap. For example, when we deploy a Battalion on exercise, we announce its a Battalion, rather than the company as it actually is. The problems of putting a 70 thousand ton carrier to see with only one squadron on it will swiftly demonstrate an absurdity that its critics will use against it. That and we are going to be hard pressed to put a it to sea with enough escorts to keep it safe, particularly in light of the Type 45 debacle.

 

Lets just say, ive come round to the advantages of having a full sized carrier in service. I just think the MOD have forgotten quite how much it cost to keep one operational, and that leaves me very nervous about the long term prospects.

 

Great Photo's Ken. Kind or reminds me of 1980s photos of Murmansk or Severodvinsk.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith

[JasonJ]

Those are of course good and down to Earth points.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Lets just say it would appeal to the cruel streak in me, that the next time Stinky Kuz.... I mean Admiral Kuznetsov sails through the English channel, it would be rather pleasing for the ego to see it sandwiched between Prince of Wales and Queen Elizabeth. You know, just in case they get lost or something.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith

[JasonJ]

No cruelness in me, just looking forward to seeing an Self-Defense Force Osprey land on it someday

[Ken Estes]

The return of surface capital ships to the RN is heartwarming.

[shep854]

A progress report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_HgiTmLsMI

[Chris Werb]

 

 

Land battles! Trafalgar was a sea battle. Not many ships named for land battles.

 

There are so many names to choose from I imagine that they rarely see the need to take a new one.

 

Can't see "Henry Grace à Dieu" being used any time soon, though

Agreed. I don't see Republican (ex-French Républicaine) coming back soon either. I like such names as Relentless, Resolute, Truculent or Turbulent.

 

Didnt we name some Monitors in WW2 after Land battles, or is that my imagination?

 

HMS Roberts (F40)

Frederick Roberts, 1st Earl Roberts VC

HMS Abercrombie (F109)

General James Abercrombie

 

WW1 monitors were named after Generals.

 

 

We had a Battle Class destroyer late WW2 and into the 70s. Some were named after land battles.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle-class_destroyer

[MiloMorai]

Chris, do you have any info on the friendly fire incident between Anzac and Tobruk besides what Wiki says in the articles about the ships?

[Stuart Galbraith]

http://news.sky.com/story/royal-navys-largest-ever-warship-hms-queen-elizabeth-sets-sail-10927338

 

THE largest and most powerful ship ever built for the Royal Navy is expected to leave her home port for the first time today.

HMS Queen Elizabeth, a 280-metre, 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier is due to set out from Rosyth on the Firth of Forth – subject to final checks, tides and the Scottish weather.

The behemoth, which is set to be the nation’s future flagship, and her 700-strong ship’s company are ready to undertake her maiden sea trials over the summer.

If all goes weill she is expected to arrive in Portsmouth sometime this autumn.

However the vast vessel must first get out to sea - a major operation where timing is key.

After waiting until high tide to leave the naval dockyard, the carrier must then wait for the tide to lower to pass under the Firth’s famous bridges.

Weather conditions must also be favourable as the four-acre military operating base sets sail.

During her estimated 50-year working life, HMS Queen Elizabeth could be pressed into action for various work such as high intensity war fighting or providing humanitarian aid and disaster relief anywhere in the world.

 

 

 

 

Alright, im delighted to eat my words. I said they would never get it into service, and they have. I hope she present many happy years of service to the Royal navy, and congrats on their meeting their recruitment targets to man her out.

 

 

There is much discussion in the other dailys about how the Russian are going to try to spy the hell out of her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4636950/Russia-start-spying-mission-Navy-s-aircraft-carrier.html

Edited June 26, 2017 by Stuart Galbraith

[Chris Werb]

Chris, do you have any info on the friendly fire incident between Anzac and Tobruk besides what Wiki says in the articles about the ships?

 

I was completely unaware of that incident.

[Dark_Falcon]

http://news.sky.com/story/royal-navys-largest-ever-warship-hms-queen-elizabeth-sets-sail-10927338

 

THE largest and most powerful ship ever built for the Royal Navy is expected to leave her home port for the first time today.

HMS Queen Elizabeth, a 280-metre, 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier is due to set out from Rosyth on the Firth of Forth – subject to final checks, tides and the Scottish weather.

The behemoth, which is set to be the nation’s future flagship, and her 700-strong ship’s company are ready to undertake her maiden sea trials over the summer.

If all goes weill she is expected to arrive in Portsmouth sometime this autumn.

However the vast vessel must first get out to sea - a major operation where timing is key.

After waiting until high tide to leave the naval dockyard, the carrier must then wait for the tide to lower to pass under the Firth’s famous bridges.

Weather conditions must also be favourable as the four-acre military operating base sets sail.

During her estimated 50-year working life, HMS Queen Elizabeth could be pressed into action for various work such as high intensity war fighting or providing humanitarian aid and disaster relief anywhere in the world.

 

 

 

 

Alright, im delighted to eat my words. I said they would never get it into service, and they have. I hope she present many happy years of service to the Royal navy, and congrats on their meeting their recruitment targets to man her out.

 

 

There is much discussion in the other dailys about how the Russian are going to try to spy the hell out of her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4636950/Russia-start-spying-mission-Navy-s-aircraft-carrier.html

 

And NATO spies on new or newly refitted Russian large naval vessel. This is just how the game is played. I suspect even the DM knows that, but I believe that they're playing up the spying angle as clickbait.

[shep854]

Those two separate islands just might make for interesting optical illusions in poor visibility...

[Rick]

http://news.sky.com/story/royal-navys-largest-ever-warship-hms-queen-elizabeth-sets-sail-10927338

 

THE largest and most powerful ship ever built for the Royal Navy is expected to leave her home port for the first time today.

HMS Queen Elizabeth, a 280-metre, 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier is due to set out from Rosyth on the Firth of Forth – subject to final checks, tides and the Scottish weather.

The behemoth, which is set to be the nation’s future flagship, and her 700-strong ship’s company are ready to undertake her maiden sea trials over the summer.

If all goes weill she is expected to arrive in Portsmouth sometime this autumn.

However the vast vessel must first get out to sea - a major operation where timing is key.

After waiting until high tide to leave the naval dockyard, the carrier must then wait for the tide to lower to pass under the Firth’s famous bridges.

Weather conditions must also be favourable as the four-acre military operating base sets sail.

During her estimated 50-year working life, HMS Queen Elizabeth could be pressed into action for various work such as high intensity war fighting or providing humanitarian aid and disaster relief anywhere in the world.

 

 

 

 

Alright, im delighted to eat my words. I said they would never get it into service, and they have. I hope she present many happy years of service to the Royal navy, and congrats on their meeting their recruitment targets to man her out.

 

 

There is much discussion in the other dailys about how the Russian are going to try to spy the hell out of her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4636950/Russia-start-spying-mission-Navy-s-aircraft-carrier.html

Escort vessels would be?

[Stuart Galbraith]

Those two separate islands just might make for interesting optical illusions in poor visibility...

 

They actually showed a view from the fight control island, and it really is quite amazing the view a second tower creates. It had a perfect view of the landing area and the takeoff ramp. Really good bit of design on someones part.

 

Here is the video. Note at 0.55 in the background what appears to be the 4 Resolution class SSBN's laid up awaiting dismantling. Or awaiting turning into a museum when someone sees sense.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

And here she is, cracking her engine open for the first time at sea.

 

I could get quite misty eyed, I really could, and there was me the big cynic about the whole thing.

[JasonJ]

Looking forward to her visiting this part of the pond

[Stuart Galbraith]

Buy some F35s. Then we can temporarily rename her HMS Akagi or something.