Stuart Galbraith Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 All very interesting, thanks for that JJ. Here is an interesting article, saying the procurement of the carrier support ships has been stalled, possibly to reflag them as warships so we can dodge the EU procurement rules.....https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mod-scraps-deal-build-hms-3509809 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Well no, not really. Its an A model in most respects, other than G load and fuel load. We have discussed fuel load before, its somewhat irrelevant if they use external tanking and any tankers in the operational theatre. G load, well the Tomcat had a G load of 6.5 G, about 0.5 g more than the F35B. And one has to ask how useful G load will be when your airplane is supposed to be invisible and has the worlds current longest range AA missile hanging off it. There is a fixation that all STOVL aircraft have to be inadequate. I dont believe this is the case. This arguably had STOVL shoehorned into it, but otherwise its a fully capable 21st Century fighter. We really must not sell it short here. The Carriers were delivered on time, I certainly dont recall any discussion of delays. Besides, we may yet get RAF Harriers operating off it, flown by the USMC..... B is heavier, slower, carries less fuel, doesn't have a gun, less stealthy, more expensive to acquire and operate than A. I really don't see any land user buying B. We are talking about 20 to 30% cut on force levels with B. Pretty much nobody is willing to take such cut from already sparse numbers just to gain STOVL. B is of course impressive for STOVL fighter and I believe will be acquired to more navies for STOVL carrier capability like Harrier was, it's not like there is real competition in the niche. But I doubt land users are interested, just like with Harriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Well no, not really. Its an A model in most respects, other than G load and fuel load. We have discussed fuel load before, its somewhat irrelevant if they use external tanking and any tankers in the operational theatre. G load, well the Tomcat had a G load of 6.5 G, about 0.5 g more than the F35B. And one has to ask how useful G load will be when your airplane is supposed to be invisible and has the worlds current longest range AA missile hanging off it. There is a fixation that all STOVL aircraft have to be inadequate. I dont believe this is the case. This arguably had STOVL shoehorned into it, but otherwise its a fully capable 21st Century fighter. We really must not sell it short here. The Carriers were delivered on time, I certainly dont recall any discussion of delays. Besides, we may yet get RAF Harriers operating off it, flown by the USMC.....B is heavier, slower, carries less fuel, doesn't have a gun, less stealthy, more expensive to acquire and operate than A. I really don't see any land user buying B. We are talking about 20 to 30% cut on force levels with B. Pretty much nobody is willing to take such cut from already sparse numbers just to gain STOVL.B is of course impressive for STOVL fighter and I believe will be acquired to more navies for STOVL carrier capability like Harrier was, it's not like there is real competition in the niche. But I doubt land users are interested, just like with Harriers. F35B can still carry a gun, the RAF website indicates this. The only question remains whether, like the Harrier, whether we will chose to procure it.https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/f-35b-lightning/ Its certainly more expensive to operate than an A, but quite clearly less expensive to operate than a C when you take into considering the equipment and personnel to operate CATOBAR equipment. As we are keen to operate from a ship, the difference of the B to the C is the important bit. For one thing its lighter, and its never going to be beat up by arrested landings, with all the costs that brings to an aircraft. Ive personally read nothing that says its less stealthy or slower, but if you can provide a link Ill read it with interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 A = internal gun with 182 rounds. B and C = podded gun with 220 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 So even if we bought the C model and a conventional carrier, we would still have had gun pods. Ill admit the range be an issue in naval warfare, but its not as if they would be incapable of fitting for buddy refuelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 So even if we bought the C model and a conventional carrier, we would still have had gun pods. Ill admit the range be an issue in naval warfare, but its not as if they would be incapable of fitting for buddy refuelling. In naval warfare (as unlikely as that may be) the lack of an anti ship missile on UK JSFs is a bigger problem than lack of range. SPEAR Capability 3 will help remedy that, as long as we don't buy the unpowered SDB II to meet the requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) AV-8Bs checking out Lusty... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGgoeJKOZwExploring the challenges Edited November 9, 2019 by shep854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 dang beat me to it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW Collins Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Well no, not really. Its an A model in most respects, other than G load and fuel load. We have discussed fuel load before, its somewhat irrelevant if they use external tanking and any tankers in the operational theatre. G load, well the Tomcat had a G load of 6.5 G, about 0.5 g more than the F35B. And one has to ask how useful G load will be when your airplane is supposed to be invisible and has the worlds current longest range AA missile hanging off it. There is a fixation that all STOVL aircraft have to be inadequate. I dont believe this is the case. This arguably had STOVL shoehorned into it, but otherwise its a fully capable 21st Century fighter. We really must not sell it short here. The Carriers were delivered on time, I certainly dont recall any discussion of delays. Besides, we may yet get RAF Harriers operating off it, flown by the USMC.....B is heavier, slower, carries less fuel, doesn't have a gun, less stealthy, more expensive to acquire and operate than A. I really don't see any land user buying B. We are talking about 20 to 30% cut on force levels with B. Pretty much nobody is willing to take such cut from already sparse numbers just to gain STOVL.B is of course impressive for STOVL fighter and I believe will be acquired to more navies for STOVL carrier capability like Harrier was, it's not like there is real competition in the niche. But I doubt land users are interested, just like with Harriers.Slower? Slightly worse acceleration but same max speed. Less stealthy? According to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 So even if we bought the C model and a conventional carrier, we would still have had gun pods. Ill admit the range be an issue in naval warfare, but its not as if they would be incapable of fitting for buddy refuelling. In naval warfare (as unlikely as that may be) the lack of an anti ship missile on UK JSFs is a bigger problem than lack of range. SPEAR Capability 3 will help remedy that, as long as we don't buy the unpowered SDB II to meet the requirement. RN Admirals seem pretty assured that isnt a problem, although im not sure what they have in mind. I have to agree, SPEAR is probably the best option on offer, but there is an existing capablity we can buy off the peg in a hurry if we feel the need.https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/japans-f-35-stealth-fighters-get-new-standoff-anti-ship-capability/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Third and lest episode. Hopefully they might make another series, preferably of the 2021 deployment.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9jzdAj9u3M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Rememberance Day.https://twitter.com/HMSQnlz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I would have expected for Capt. Kyd to have taken the ship home before leaving, as well as some sort of change-of-command ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Well, its the Royal Navy's way. All fairly understated. The relieving captain was himself relieved it will be remembered, under unfortunate circumstances. If I were the next captain of HMS Queen Elizabeth, Id tell the MOD to stick their car.https://navaltoday.com/2019/05/17/hms-queen-elizabeth-co-relieved-over-misuse-of-official-car/ Captain Kyd (was there ever a better name for the captain of an RN Carrier?) is now Rear Admiral Kyd, RN Fleet Commander. Well deserved seeing he did such a great job of getting the ship into service.https://navaltoday.com/2019/03/08/former-hms-queen-elizabeth-co-becomes-royal-navys-new-fleet-commander/ Edited November 12, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 https://twitter.com/HMSQnlz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) There are also some nice photos showing the lift system on HMS Prince of Wales. https://twitter.com/HMSPWLS Edited November 12, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Well, its the Royal Navy's way. All fairly understated. The relieving captain was himself relieved it will be remembered, under unfortunate circumstances. If I were the next captain of HMS Queen Elizabeth, Id tell the MOD to stick their car.https://navaltoday.com/2019/05/17/hms-queen-elizabeth-co-relieved-over-misuse-of-official-car/ Captain Kyd (was there ever a better name for the captain of an RN Carrier?) is now Rear Admiral Kyd, RN Fleet Commander. Well deserved seeing he did such a great job of getting the ship into service.https://navaltoday.com/2019/03/08/former-hms-queen-elizabeth-co-becomes-royal-navys-new-fleet-commander/There may have been more to this; getting sacked over 'unofficial' use of a car is a bit steep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Its very strange, particularly as he got move onto another role without being subject to disciplinary procedure. So, who knows. Maybe the steward fitted him up for not eating the mango chunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) HMS Queen ElizabethVerified account @HMSQNLZ 15h15 hours ago A great shot to add to @AdmTonyRadakin's post below & another first for #WESTLANT19 as we bring our renewed Carrier Strike Group capability online. A double Replenishment at Sea (RAS), with some fantastic bridge work from @RFATideforce @HMSNORT and our own great team here. Edited November 13, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 HMS Queen ElizabethVerified account @HMSQNLZ 15h15 hours ago Welcome to the Queen Elizabeth Carrier Strike Group, USS Philippine Sea and USS Truxtun @USNavy. The Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser and Arleigh Burke-class destroyer have joined us as #UKF35 jet trials continue in the USA #WESTLANT19 #jointcapability @RoyalNavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougRichards Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I guess that my only question is when will there be an extra star added to the US flag? Oceania / Airstrip One anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Nah, Make America Great (Britain) Again, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 https://twitter.com/HMSPWLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 IF ONLY you could use subdued red and blue roundels and flashes...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGIOQ4HwUxg&feature=em-uploademail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Yeah, I know. They may as well paint it yellow and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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