Panzermann Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Ah, that probably would be an issue. ETA: doesnt the C version fold? Yes. The C folds its outer wings up. ​ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) As compared to the F-35B, the F-35C has a significantly greater wingspan. With its wings folded, it is only 1 meter or so smaller in width than the F-35B. Edited October 29, 2019 by Daan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Queen Elizabeth goes Jeune Gillot.(im sure ive spelt that wrong). Edited October 29, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 This is HMS Prince of Wales.https://twitter.com/HMSPWLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Prince of Wales again. Edited October 29, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 https://twitter.com/HMSQnlz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Queen Elizabeth goes Jeune Gillot.(im sure ive spelt that wrong). Hah, wrong picture. This photo must surely have been taken aboard the KNS Mombasa, the first modern African carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Prince of Wales again. I have to say, appearancewise, it's growing on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 It's prettier than the Ford. The blue grey has always been sublime in the right light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I don't think I will ever get used to the twin islands on deck design, but agree that the class ticks the projection of power image box nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I like it, its like 2 raised fingers at the Queens enemies. Churchill im sure would approve. https://twitter.com/HMSQnlz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 It is the placing of a chip on the UK's collective national shoulder, daring anyone in the world to knock it off. And you know what they say about he who dares... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Tour of the Prince of wales weapon handling system by, erm, by the ships mascots....https://twitter.com/i/status/1189465464595996672 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) https://twitter.com/HMSQnlzUSMC arrive on HMS Queen Elizabeth. Edited November 1, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Tour of the Prince of wales weapon handling system by, erm, by the ships mascots....https://twitter.com/i/status/1189465464595996672 Don't tell me the bomb elevators actually work <ducks and covers>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) Yeah, completely crazy, they actually seem to work. There is some video of the USMC on the Queen Elizabeth.https://twitter.com/i/status/1190258295661047808 Edited November 2, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 With respect to the choice for the STOVL F-35B for the QE, as against the CATOBAR F-35C, I found this thread on the PPRUNE forum interesting, especially the posts by 'Engines', a retired aeronautical engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 The point the last guy makes is actually a pretty interesting one, that as we dont intend to fully fill out the deck with F35's on deployment, so you dont need as many people doing deck landing training. Which is actually a fairly considerable saving in money. The rolling landing we are employing is actually pretty simple, particularly compared to a standard USN style approach which messes my head up. Then you also dont have the airframe being shook to buggery in cat's and traps. Which again is going to probably pay off in the jets lifetime. For us, I think it makes sense. It doesn't have to make sense to anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) Indeed a valid point. I found the posts by Engines interesting regarding the different methods to take to the air and, subsequently, to recover the aircraft and the resulting design and performance constraints on both the F-35B and F-35C relative to the F-35A. ORAC's post (excerpts from an AW&ST article) of 17 Oct also emphasizes the difficulties facing the RN in the development of larger ship-born UAVs in the absence of a CATOBAR system. Furthermore, to me these posts again highlighted the limitations of a STOBAR carrier with relatively conventional aircraft. I really wonder why some countries invest vast sums in these (India), except perhaps as a learning opportunity (PLAN?) or just for national prestige, showing the flag and making port calls. What would be their role in a region where their most likely opponents can be expected to be decently armed? Edited November 2, 2019 by Daan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I suppose China has no access to an off the shelf design which is catapult capable so they can either design their own carrier aircraft from the ground up or go with the Flanker and CATOBAR. In India's case, it would have been a job to convert their second hand Soviet carrier to CATOBAR and it would also have limited their aircraft options to Rafale or going cap in hand to the US for Super Hornets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Limiting themselves in that way has not been India's style, as it would limit Delhi's ability to play competitors off each other, and the flow of inducements from them to the Indian decision makers involved. Actual capability concerns may not be primary considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Some more details here about the 2021 deployment to the South China sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Some more details here about the 2021 deployment to the South China sea. It's very, very secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Loose lips... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I wonder if a AWAC/tanker version of the Tracker would work on this carrier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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