BLAH Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 So Turks are bombing both ISIS and Kurds?!? http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/reports-turkish-jets-hit-targets-syria-kurds-iraq-32674033 Well, the Kurds are pretty much terrorists insofar as Turkey goes, so it'd be silly of them to just fight IS when the Kurds have done worst. Not many "good guys" around there, rather who's the most stable.
Yama Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 So Turks are bombing both ISIS and Kurds?!? http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/reports-turkish-jets-hit-targets-syria-kurds-iraq-32674033 Well duh. If the Kurds are not bombed, ISIS just might not win and Erdogan can't have that, can he?
Simon Tan Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 The Sultan is flying air support for DAESH in Iraq. No fly zone should cover the DAESHAF. Maybe the Syrians will help operate a No-Fly zone against the DAESHAF.
Markus Becker Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 There are reports that Erdogan uses the opportunity to crack down on political opponents in general and Kurds in particular labling them IS/PKK supporters. Which makes sense, his party lost the parliamentary elections, no new government has been formed, new elections are just a matter of time and keeping the Kurdish party HDP out of parliament would help Erdogan.
Corinthian Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 So... That terror attack in Turkey by Daesh... Perhaps a "false flag", I mean still done by Daesh with Erdogan's " blessing"?
C-M Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 Turkey is supporting DAESH because of it's inaction towards them Now.. Turkey is still somehow supporting DAESH despite, Artillery Strikes, Aerial bombardment and small arms clashes.. Really, there is no winning with you Conspiracy Theorists/Nut Jobs..
Colin Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 C-M you are supposing that everyone in turkey is playing to the same tune. The halting of the trucks and subsequent cover up shows that Turkish Intelligence is playing it's own game with or without the PM blessing. The Army and the PM don't see eye to eye. Many in turkey see DASEH as a minor issue that can be dealt with at any time and are somewhat useful in keeping Iranian goals in check. for them the real issue is the Kurds, because Kurdish independence is a direct threat to the territorial integrity of Turkey. There is a simple rule when considering the ME and it is: "Nothing is simple, everyone is talking out of two sides of their mouth and will stab you in the back when it suits them"
Simon Tan Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 Sorry? There is no doubt at all that Turkey is a most perfidious nation. They blatantly lie about their enabling DAESH and are now intervening directly as their client is feeling the pressure in Rojava. The embarassment of the PKK conducting business in Istanbul was just too much.Turkey is not interested in defeating DAESH....only to eliminate South Kurdistan as a polity. Indeed attacking the very entities described as the only effective counter to DAESH. Perhaps the Iraqi AF or the Quds AF will smoke a few DAESHAF aircraft. Heck....smoke em all.
C-M Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) C-M you are supposing that everyone in turkey is playing to the same tune. The halting of the trucks and subsequent cover up shows that Turkish Intelligence is playing it's own game with or without the PM blessing. The Army and the PM don't see eye to eye. Many in turkey see DASEH as a minor issue that can be dealt with at any time and are somewhat useful in keeping Iranian goals in check. for them the real issue is the Kurds, because Kurdish independence is a direct threat to the territorial integrity of Turkey. There is a simple rule when considering the ME and it is: "Nothing is simple, everyone is talking out of two sides of their mouth and will stab you in the back when it suits them" I am no Supporter of Erdogan, never have never will be. Let me get that out there first. The truck halting incident was stupid and shows the incompetence of our intelligence service. However in the light of that incident, Turkmen fighters inside Syria admitted that those arms were heading to them in their small enclave for protection against DAESH and Assads thugs, whether you believe it or not it's up to you. Turkmen flag and Ottoman Coat of Arms - Would make Erdogan very proud.. You can be sure Erdogan was very aware of those Trucks and where they were heading. Yes, Kurdish ambitions do pose a threat to Turkey's Territory, but it also a threatens Iran's Territory as well. Edited July 25, 2015 by C-M
C-M Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 Sorry? There is no doubt at all that Turkey is a most perfidious nation. They blatantly lie about their enabling DAESH and are now intervening directly as their client is feeling the pressure in Rojava. The embarassment of the PKK conducting business in Istanbul was just too much.Turkey is not interested in defeating DAESH....only to eliminate South Kurdistan as a polity. Indeed attacking the very entities described as the only effective counter to DAESH. Perhaps the Iraqi AF or the Quds AF will smoke a few DAESHAF aircraft. Heck....smoke em all. DAESHAF ? wot ? Ease up on whatever you're smoking dude.
Colin Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 C-M you are supposing that everyone in turkey is playing to the same tune. The halting of the trucks and subsequent cover up shows that Turkish Intelligence is playing it's own game with or without the PM blessing. The Army and the PM don't see eye to eye. Many in turkey see DASEH as a minor issue that can be dealt with at any time and are somewhat useful in keeping Iranian goals in check. for them the real issue is the Kurds, because Kurdish independence is a direct threat to the territorial integrity of Turkey. There is a simple rule when considering the ME and it is: "Nothing is simple, everyone is talking out of two sides of their mouth and will stab you in the back when it suits them" I am no Supporter of Erdogan, never have never will be. Let me get that out there first. The truck halting incident was stupid and shows the incompetence of our intelligence service. However in the light of that incident, Turkmen fighters inside Syria admitted that those arms were heading to them in their small enclave for protection against DAESH and Assads thugs, whether you believe it or not it's up to you. Turkmen flag and Ottoman Coat of Arms - Would make Erdogan very proud.. You can be sure Erdogan was very aware of those Trucks and where they were heading. Yes, Kurdish ambitions do pose a threat to Turkey's Territory, but it also a threatens Iran's Territory as well. They should be more open then. I don't take their claim to support turkmen at face value. There has been to much evidences of Turkish support for ISIS, who in Turkey is supporting them is unclear and it's not in Turkey's long term interests, but that has never stopped factions from playing the "game" I have no doubt that whoever has been supporting ISIS, will stab them in the back as well when the time is right. The problem with to much of this double face actions is that no one trusts you and no one believes you even when you tell the truth. Which is why Pakistan has such a terrible rep and Turkey is going down the same road.Whoever ends up leading Turkey needs to clean house and set a open national direction and punish those who would undermine it. You also have to openly and honestly deal with the Kurdish issue and come to some sort of agreement which may mean loss of land and/or a Autonomous region connecting the Syrian and Iraqi Kurdish areas. The cost to Turkey otherwise is going to be immense in blood, money and reputation.
Markus Becker Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 So... That terror attack in Turkey by Daesh... Perhaps a "false flag", I mean still done by Daesh with Erdogan's " blessing"?Don't think so. The target were Kurds and IS certainly had a motive to go after then for Kobani. Erdogan saw an opportunity and used it. Also the killing of the two cops by PKK was beyond stupid by PKK.
urbanoid Posted July 25, 2015 Posted July 25, 2015 C-M you are supposing that everyone in turkey is playing to the same tune. The halting of the trucks and subsequent cover up shows that Turkish Intelligence is playing it's own game with or without the PM blessing. The Army and the PM don't see eye to eye. Many in turkey see DASEH as a minor issue that can be dealt with at any time and are somewhat useful in keeping Iranian goals in check. for them the real issue is the Kurds, because Kurdish independence is a direct threat to the territorial integrity of Turkey. There is a simple rule when considering the ME and it is: "Nothing is simple, everyone is talking out of two sides of their mouth and will stab you in the back when it suits them" They might have a point here.
C-M Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Turkey in 2 days has made 155 sorties, 400 Terrorist targets were hit. That's almost 10% of the air strikes of the Allied Forces against IS (1500) in 1 year , in only 2 days. Edited July 26, 2015 by C-M
C-M Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 PKK terrorists sent 4 teenagers and 2 adults to attack a police station in Esenyurt. They were caught before they could carry out the attack with molotovs and small arms.
Chris Werb Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Turkey in 2 days has made 155 sorties, 400 Terrorist targets were hit. That's almost 10% of the air strikes of the Allied Forces against IS (1500) in 1 year , in only 2 days. How many of these strikes were against IS and how many against the Kurds?
C-M Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Turkey in 2 days has made 155 sorties, 400 Terrorist targets were hit. That's almost 10% of the air strikes of the Allied Forces against IS (1500) in 1 year , in only 2 days. How many of these strikes were against IS and how many against the Kurds? I would say it's proportional pounding for both Arabs and Kurds . Edited July 26, 2015 by C-M
Colin Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I fully agree the PKK is being incredibly stupid stirring up stuff while the ISIS threat looms. I suspect the PKK can come up with a list of grievances against the government as well. I have no doubt people on both sides want the conflict to continue and don't support reconciliation. The Turks playing a double face game likely did not help. At the end of the day if Turkey wants peace with the Kurds, it means giving up some territory and I know that chokes you. But better a small chunk of Turkey with a bit of Iraq and Syria. Since Turkey and the ME having been calling on Israel to do the same, they can lead by example. Plus Helping the Kurds now and letting them form a state means a willing partner on your border and economic growth, rather than a never ending domestic conflict.
Simon Tan Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Those figures are as reliable as the US agreed no fly zone and buy in on the safety corridor. Or in fact the agreement of Barzani. Turkey operates on Davutoglu grade alt-reality. It really does not matter what Ankara says. The Sultan is just preparing for another election. He is wooing the nationalists after the debacle of the pretend peace process. The Kurds and the left will never support him whatever happens so he is turning to the right.Of course he disembowelled them but that is why he needs to goad the PKK and fan nationalism. The Kurds are the new Armenians.
Simon Tan Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Accidental tank fire against the YPG. Shortly to be followed by accidental bombing of the Syrian Army and Hezbollah.
Markus Becker Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Sadly correct. They are bombing Kurdish positions near Kobani.
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