Armata

[Jim Warford]

Armata... (Translated by Google Translate):

 

Victory Parade in 2015 will take place about 100 samples of the latest technology

 

September 25, 2014

 

Victory Parade in 2015 will take place about 100 samples of the latest technology, including a range of equipment on the platform "Armata". This was announced by the deputy chairman of the Military Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Government of the Russian Federation Oleg Bochkarev. He recalled that on 9 May 2015 at the Victory Parade for the first time will show the main tank "Armata", but not only him. "We will show a whole range of equipment, brand new tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns, automotive special equipment," - he said on the radio "Echo of Moscow".

 

O. Bochkarev stressed that "Armata" - is not only a tank, and a whole line of heavy armor on a platform of "Armata". "It will take more than 100 models of new technology. Of course, each sample was not one instance, - he added. - This is a good report of our industry that has been done over the past five years. This is the answer to some pessimism that we have nothing new. "

 

Speaking of the tank, "Armata" O. Bochkarev said that he "will go to the Russian army in full scale in 2016." "The work is completed in accordance with the schedule," - he added.

 

 

 

 

[Damian]

First two photos/graphics don't show UVZ/UKBTM new MBT based on "Armata" platform, but a proposal of different company, for a fire support vehicle.

 

The last photo shows specialized vehicles based on two variants of platform "Armata", with powerpack at the rear, and with powerpack on the front, these are actually closer to what UKBTM was designing.

[lemd]

So armata is a downgraded T95?

 

Is there any info about caliber? 125 or 152?

[Damian]

New MBT based on platform "Armata" indeed will be using many design sollutions designed for Object 195.

 

Main armament of new MBT will be new 125mm smoothbore gun 2A82, which seems to be somehow connected to 152mm smoothbore gun 2A83.

[Jim Warford]

More translated info:

 

All three members of the crew of the tank "Armata" will be able to substitute for each other

Due to the high level of automation control system tanks, "Armata" has information on the possibility of reducing the number of crew members.

MOSCOW, September 6 - RIA Novosti.

 

Crew newest tank "Armata" will consist of three people who will be able to replace each other, said in an interview with RIA Novosti former chief of the Armored Directorate Ministry of Defense, Colonel-General Sergei Maev. Due to the high level of automation control system tanks, "Armata" has information on the possibility of reducing the number of crew members. "The question that the" Almaty was "will be two members of the crew, not worth it. Still, there will be three members of the crew.

 

Another thing is that they will be interchangeable, which allows the tank commander to operate this machine - it was before, but not in such amount as it is now. Today means allow the tank commander to take control of the instrument itself, "- said Maev, chairman DOSAAF Russia. In the tank crew, he said, will include both employees on a contract basis and regular soldiers, "I think it will be a mixed principle, there may be one member of the crew will be contractor, two - conscripts, may - two crew members are contractors and one conscript, "- said the general.

 

Training specialists for admission to the military machine will take at least three months.

[Jim Warford]

More translated info:

 

A very interesting view of Colonel-General Sergei Alexandrovich Maeva expressed it in a recent interview .This man was the "father" of the tank "Object 195" (T-95), without this machine simply would not take place. And one of the best if not the best Chief of Armored Directorate. So, dear Colonel-General said that he does not know (or pretended not to know) the state of works with the "Armata", but believes that the tank get worse his "pet" and it will have to tighten up its level.

 

And he himself had said that all the best with the T-95 designers have probably already "dragged" to the new machine. That is worse than the "Armata" will only firepower - it is armed with smaller caliber gun, even high power. Try to figure out whether it will be worse than the rest, and whether so she needs that firepower that was its predecessor.

 

What is known about the "Armata"

So, what do we know about the tank "Object 148" (T-14)? This tank is the new layout before never on serial tanks do not apply. Ahead of the very powerful frontal part is protected from all sides isolated bronekapsuly crew sitting in a row. Further automated fighting compartment with uninhabited tower-gun carriage for weapons and sighting systems headroom, then the engine-transmission compartment. It is exactly the same as it was in the ancestor "Almaty was" - tank "Object 195" (also known as T-95), established by the ROC "Improving the 88" and have successfully passed a full cycle of the state tests. "Armata" - a descendant of the platform "Object 195", which absorbed almost all that was good in the ancestor, and there was a good lot.

The main armament is a 125-mm smoothbore gun - launcher 2A82 increased lethality. On its energy and other indicators and it far exceeds our 125-millimeter gun 2A46M-5 (standing on tanks T-90A, T-72B3), and any Western 120-millimeter gun, including an elongated gun "Rheinmetall» Rh120 L / 55. For her, created and tested a high power ammunition: armor-piercing, guided missiles, and other cumulative.Opportunities 2A82 sufficient to cause any long-term tank, so much need for the transition to 152-mm gun 2A83, as proposed at the "Object 195", no. Ammunition of the tank separated from the crew capsule and can not hurt him at detonation. Furthermore, when blowing his blast is directed outward so that the tank may even be restored.

Combined multi-layer passive armor protection of the T-14 is built on a new bronestalyah electroslag remelting of high resistance, new materials and structures filler and provide protection from the modern and advanced weapons. The tank is equipped with explosive reactive armor (ERA), a new generation - that DZ was not there, when there was a T-95.

[Roman Alymov]

More translated info:

 

A very interesting view of Colonel-General Sergei Alexandrovich Maev

 

"Combined multi-layer passive armor protection of the T-14 is built on a new bronestalyah electroslag remelting of high resistance" - translator failed to deal with "armor steels"

Edited September 30, 2014 by Roman Alymov

[Sovngard]

For my part, I've found :

• T-14 (Object 148)
• 55 metric tons
• 125 mm 2A82-1M smoothbore gun
• Afganit Active Protection System
• CTZ A85-3A 16 cylinders X engine (1500 hp)
• Sokol-1 GLATGM
• Hydropneumatic active suspensions with rotary shock absorbers

Edited October 1, 2014 by Sovngard

[Gavin-Phillips]

Well I personally can't wait to see this new vehicle, but I'm also very curious about what's happened with the Objekt 195 vehicle/s? Do they still exist, maybe even being used as a testbed for various Armata-related systems/weapons?

 

Will the new 2A82 smoothbore gun have similar or better performance than the 152mm weapon slated for use on the T-95?

 

Where did this T-14 designation come from? Is it an official one?

[Damian]

 

Well I personally can't wait to see this new vehicle, but I'm also very curious about what's happened with the Objekt 195 vehicle/s? Do they still exist, maybe even being used as a testbed for various Armata-related systems/weapons?

 

AFAIK they still exist, but are kept in secret and probably still used for tests.

 

 

Where did this T-14 designation come from? Is it an official one?

 

I would wait untill official presentation, many fanboys around this project, so you know.

[JW Collins]

Wonder if we'll ever see any high res images and detailed information about the T-95 now that it will only be used as a tech demonstrator if that.

[Ken Estes]

So, an M-1ski? [with autoloader, of course] Looks like they have paid a lot of attention to keeping the turret on under fire.

 

Good luck with contractor crews....

 

This brings an end to the era where USSR/Russian tank design field attempted to anticipate the subsequent generation and get a jump on the west [since the A20/T-34]. Now, they are just trying to get modern 4th generation tanks into their inventory.

 

We can anticipate a lot of changes from the model, once they engineer it for production. And will they need the Ukrainian tank plants again?

Edited October 1, 2014 by Ken Estes

[BLAH]

125mm?

How disappointing.

[Ken Estes]

No need for more, as projectile improvements yet to be made are feasible for handling most likely armor packages. More is not always better, see King Tiger, Jagdtiger, Maus, battleship Yamato and so forth.

 

Like the West, the Rus will need to rely on existing ammo stocks for some time.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Ken Estes

[JW Collins]

Unless the gun is ETC or something I don't see how it could be signifcantly more powerful than the current Russian 125mm designs and the 120mm L/44 and L/55.

[BLAH]

No need for more, as projectile improvements yet to be made are feasible for handling most likely armor packages. More is not always better, see King Tiger, Jagdtiger, Maus, battleship Yamato and so forth.

 

Like the West, the Rus will need to rely on existing ammo stocks for some time.

 

I doubt they can squeeze that much more out of the 125mm rounds. Even the longer 120mm rounds are lacking against the current state of the art in armor. For example, I doubt a top of the line Leopard 2 can penetrate itself with any current round, and if it can with the next generation of KE round, it wouldn't be hard to just add some more armor onto it.

 

The relatively small increments in penetration of the same caliber rounds can easily be caught up to with armor.

 

Hence, why I think they'd need to go with 152mm to make upgrading the armor of current tanks far more costly due to the much larger increase in armor penetration. They can also fire potent 152mm ATGMs through the thing (Kornet-level).

 

Just another [but better] 125mm is getting close to parity.

 

Yeah, I just want them to go bigger so "we" make 140mm 80-90 ton M1A3s/Leopard 3s.

[Damian]

125mm 2A82 smoothbore gun will have better characteristics than current generation 125mm, it will have larger chamber and will be able to hold larger pressure from new propelant charges.

 

The 152mm 2A83 smoothbore gun is nowhere near ready for production status, during firing tests it become clear that it's service life is unsatisfactionary, and gun blow up several times after few shots.

[BLAH]

I bet it'll be too little. Just as the 120mm KE rounds are too little now, and I bet the new 125mm gun won't be any better than the 120mm stuff.

 

They should have worked on getting the 152mm up and running.

 

If its frontal protection is as decent as it should be, I guess the chances of seeing 140mm are also decent.

[Sovngard]

125mm 2A82 smoothbore gun will have better characteristics than current generation 125mm, it will have larger chamber and will be able to hold larger pressure from new propelant charges.

 

AFAIK, the 2A82 inherits the design from the 2A66 (D-91T) which was featured on the Object 187.

 

 

I bet it'll be too little. Just as the 120mm KE rounds are too little now, and I bet the new 125mm gun won't be any better than the 120mm stuff.

 

They should have worked on getting the 152mm up and running.

 

the chances of seeing 140mm are also decent.

 

140 mm and 152 mm would be heavier, bulkier, reduced ammunition load, this also means developing an entire series of specific projectiles, no thanks!

Edited October 1, 2014 by Sovngard

[lemd]

 

125mm 2A82 smoothbore gun will have better characteristics than current generation 125mm, it will have larger chamber and will be able to hold larger pressure from new propelant charges.

 

AFAIK, the 2A82 inherits the design from the 2A66 (D-91T) which was featured on the Object 187.

 

 

I bet it'll be too little. Just as the 120mm KE rounds are too little now, and I bet the new 125mm gun won't be any better than the 120mm stuff.

 

They should have worked on getting the 152mm up and running.

 

the chances of seeing 140mm are also decent.

 

140 mm and 152 mm would be heavier, bulkier, reduced ammunition load, this also means developing an entire series of specific projectiles, no thanks!

 

 

But if Russian uses 152 then it will start an arm race, it is a wet dream for armor lovers

[Damian]

Stuart, new GLATGM "Sokol-1" should give you a hint, it's similiar concept to US XM1111 MRM-KE/CE.

[Sovngard]

 

All these small nozzles remind me the M47 Dragon missile.

 

Edited October 1, 2014 by Sovngard

[BLAH]

Basic top attack and indirect missiles will be nullified via APS.

 

Hence, you're back to old KE.

 

Light advanced ERA and [also light] thick composite/NERA armor makes it hard for KE to penetrate.

 

So, you need bigger guns.

[Ken Estes]

Nope, bigger guns equate to slow rate of fire and there is the problem, given relatively equal numbers on a specific battlefield. Non-lethal hits in sufficient number degrade the systems of the most powerful tanks that simply can't fight well.

[BLAH]

I agree that non-penetrating hits can effect the vehicle's ability to fight.

However, there was numerous M1s hit with 125mm KE during ODS that were combat effective on non-penetrating hits. Yeah, older rounds, but the current M1s make the latest Russian stuff about the same tier. No to mention the friendly fire M829A1 120mm hits in the same battle on the frontal arc that didn't knock the tank out (I know there was at least one of these).

 

Of course, this doesn't matter with side hits, and side hits are also common, but you do try to bake your battle plan around facing the enemy no matter how you go about it.

 

I'd rather carry 20 sure kill rounds compared to 40-50 rounds that at best will penetrate the sides or cause disabling damage on a lucky hit along the frontal arc (gun tube, GPS, tracks and whatnot).