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I do not have the knowledge needed to answer the questions of how the Russian Empire of which time period was a "super Christian country"; nor the knowledge of how the events leading up to 1917 involved Christianity and the effect Christians had on this revolt. I also do not have the knowledge to contribute a response to China's current government except what I write below.

 

 

 

 

I can answer this though, in the past, men have lusted for power disguised as God to do their will, instead of men humbling themselves in doing God's will. Today however, men believe they are God, falsely believing that if they have power over others, all will be good and just and evil crushed. We know how quickly these false saviors become evil and corrupted. I cannot speak for your country, but in the U.S. this evil and corruption is known as liberalism. Liberalism is simply today's version of a lust for power over others via the political arena. It has infected the Democratic Party in the U.S. and is attempting to crush all who refuse to bow before it.

This is why Christians such as myself and others will continue to fight this unmitigated horror of secular liberalism via the abilities of our churches and the ballot box. We know that in the end this liberal evil will only, very briefly, conquer the earth. It will be defeated by the Son of the Heaven, our Lord and true Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

Role of Christians and Christianity in Russian Revolution is a big topic to talk about (as even here in Russia opinions very from “it was all Satan’s plot” to “Revolution was the ultimate form of Russian Christianity”), but I am sure there was no shortage of Bibles in Russia.

 

From what little I know, did the early Russian government--from the 1700's onward--"governed" the church and/or manipulate the church toward what it wanted depending on which individual(s) were in charge of government?

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I don't think most Communists (how many of them are even left?) would consider China to be Communist.

Most don't, but some are happy to look at China as an example of a largely state directed economy that is still very dynamic. This has obvious implications regarding the feasibility of an actually socialist hypothetical society.

 

Some argue that China is 'Bonopartist' in that the leadership are neither representatives of the interests of capitalists (as in much of the world) or of workers/peasants (as in the textbook worker's state) but rather have a high degree of independence from such class interests, and pursue some sort of 'rational developmentalism' or something like that, and mediating between rival class interests rather than taking some particular side.

 

In other words China is somewhat unique in that the wealthy and capitalists cannot really act like parasites - yes they can get rich but if their get rich schemes threaten to get in the way of economic development - well that is just not going to be permitted. Korea and Taiwan had a similar approach in their high growth phases - yes firms could make large profits but this was seen as a means to an end of economic development, and firm managers were expected to think of themselves as having some patriotic duty to grow the economy, usually distilled down to some specific task which was incentivised and supported by government policy - like 'establish Korea as a major exporter of medium technology goods', 'pioneer the development of the electronics sector'.

 

This somewhat unique arrangement of course does not establish that it is a socialist or communist society.

 

 

 

Singapore.

 

Deng sent his people to study our system for his experiment with opening up the economy.

 

In Singapore you can never be more rich or more powerful than the ruling party. Many of the biggest corporations in Singapore are either government owned or connected. And very powerful private companies do not try to influence or interfere with government policies. And government policies do not usually do favors for big businesses.

 

This is not the case in Hong Kong, for example. The HK govt, whether British or PRC are mere puppets to the rich and powerful business tycoons of HK. Suffer the HK people esp when it comes to housing as I believe the land magnates exert extreme pressure behind the scene to ensure public housing program remains abysmal. The average HK person work their entire life but can barely afford to buy an apartment or if they do, spend their entire lives paying it off.

 

The ppl of HK blame the PRC government for many things as they are an easy target. But they forget, it is their own rich and powerful that are screwing them everyday. The telecoms, the property, the electricity are all privately owned. Heck, even the money is printed by several banks not the government.

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I would say it is not so much about economic issues but morality and power. Communism is evil and is the most evil form of government there is so far. Communism can be turned by Christianity. Deliver as many Bibles as possible into China to feed the growing demand for them. This more than trade is the issue Chinese officials need to turn their way of thinking from the horror of Communism to virtue of Christianity. Since people are involved this will not be perfect, but government led by Christianity is many times better than government led by Communism, and for that matter, any other form of liberalism.

 

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"defeated by the Son of Heaven"

 

While I would not necessarily be opposed to the restoration of the lineage of the Chinese Imperial throne, as the last one was serviceable to Japanese interests in northwest Asia, the possibility seems remote at this time.

 

Interesting how readily the subject of how many millions of Chinese were killed during the Sino-Japanese War and under Mao is brought up, but how rarely the subject of how many millions of Chinese were killed during the Taiping neo-Christian revolutionary movement of the mid 1800s is.

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I don't think most Communists (how many of them are even left?) would consider China to be Communist.

Most don't, but some are happy to look at China as an example of a largely state directed economy that is still very dynamic. This has obvious implications regarding the feasibility of an actually socialist hypothetical society.

 

Some argue that China is 'Bonopartist' in that the leadership are neither representatives of the interests of capitalists (as in much of the world) or of workers/peasants (as in the textbook worker's state) but rather have a high degree of independence from such class interests, and pursue some sort of 'rational developmentalism' or something like that, and mediating between rival class interests rather than taking some particular side.

 

In other words China is somewhat unique in that the wealthy and capitalists cannot really act like parasites - yes they can get rich but if their get rich schemes threaten to get in the way of economic development - well that is just not going to be permitted. Korea and Taiwan had a similar approach in their high growth phases - yes firms could make large profits but this was seen as a means to an end of economic development, and firm managers were expected to think of themselves as having some patriotic duty to grow the economy, usually distilled down to some specific task which was incentivised and supported by government policy - like 'establish Korea as a major exporter of medium technology goods', 'pioneer the development of the electronics sector'.

 

This somewhat unique arrangement of course does not establish that it is a socialist or communist society.

 

 

 

Singapore.

 

Deng sent his people to study our system for his experiment with opening up the economy.

 

In Singapore you can never be more rich or more powerful than the ruling party. Many of the biggest corporations in Singapore are either government owned or connected. And very powerful private companies do not try to influence or interfere with government policies. And government policies do not usually do favors for big businesses.

 

This is not the case in Hong Kong, for example. The HK govt, whether British or PRC are mere puppets to the rich and powerful business tycoons of HK. Suffer the HK people esp when it comes to housing as I believe the land magnates exert extreme pressure behind the scene to ensure public housing program remains abysmal. The average HK person work their entire life but can barely afford to buy an apartment or if they do, spend their entire lives paying it off.

 

The ppl of HK blame the PRC government for many things as they are an easy target. But they forget, it is their own rich and powerful that are screwing them everyday. The telecoms, the property, the electricity are all privately owned. Heck, even the money is printed by several banks not the government.

 

Yes, Singapore is another good example. Though I reiterate that these models are not so stable, one by one they fall to financialisation. There is some very prescient discussion in here: https://www.amazon.com/End-Third-World-Nigel-Harris/dp/094153314X

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From what little I know, did the early Russian government--from the 1700's onward--"governed" the church and/or manipulate the church toward what it wanted depending on which individual(s) were in charge of government?

Let me direct you to Wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Autocephaly_and_schismthat provide brief but more of less accurate description of this complicated evolution from almost theocratic government of pre-Peter I years to Church loosing independence under Emperors. Interesting to note “Old Believers” alternative Orthodox Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers ) that was always out of state control (both under Tsars and Communists) still exist - last year their religious centre was visited by Putin in first official visit of head of Rus state in 350 years, and talked about possibility of returning Old Believers living abroad back to Russia

 

Some Old Believers communities still surviving on American continents

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I would say it is not so much about economic issues but morality and power. Communism is evil and is the most evil form of government there is so far. Communism can be turned by Christianity. Deliver as many Bibles as possible into China to feed the growing demand for them. This more than trade is the issue Chinese officials need to turn their way of thinking from the horror of Communism to virtue of Christianity. Since people are involved this will not be perfect, but government led by Christianity is many times better than government led by Communism, and for that matter, any other form of liberalism.

Without getting into debate of how good or bad was “communism”, let me remind you Russian Empire was super Christian country, with mandatory Christian education in schools, officials having to attend communion twice a year (and bring official paper from Church that they do) etc. You know how it ended in 1917. Any idea why Christianity will work better in China of XXI century then in Russia of XIX-early XX century?

 

I do not have the knowledge needed to answer the questions of how the Russian Empire of which time period was a "super Christian country"; nor the knowledge of how the events leading up to 1917 involved Christianity and the effect Christians had on this revolt. I also do not have the knowledge to contribute a response to China's current government except what I write below.

I can answer this though, in the past, men have lusted for power disguised as God to do their will, instead of men humbling themselves in doing God's will. Today however, men believe they are God, falsely believing that if they have power over others, all will be good and just and evil crushed. We know how quickly these false saviors become evil and corrupted. I cannot speak for your country, but in the U.S. this evil and corruption is known as liberalism. Liberalism is simply today's version of a lust for power over others via the political arena. It has infected the Democratic Party in the U.S. and is attempting to crush all who refuse to bow before it.

This is why Christians such as myself and others will continue to fight this unmitigated horror of secular liberalism via the abilities of our churches and the ballot box. We know that in the end this liberal evil will only, very briefly, conquer the earth. It will be defeated by the Son of the Heaven, our Lord and true Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

What you want cannot plausibly be achieved via political action nor even by a revival of the existing denominations,

Agree, but unlike liberals, Christians know that true goodness comes from Christ and not through the political arena. What Christians are working for is less liberal evil in said arena.

 

 

because in the US, Christians, and conservative Christian politicians and businessmen in particular, are largely driven by self-aggrandisement and vanity, and are certainly not humble before god.

Disagree. From what I have observed, Christian businessmen are rather humble upon first meetings and do not talk much about faith, but try to demonstrate it via actions. Once said businessman/customer relationships are established, then Christian businessmen open up on how Jesus has transformed their lives.

https://www.trustbluereview.com/family/christian-blue-pages. This one is popular in my area and as a rule in the Midwest.

In fact if you were to isolate the people in the US who put morality first, seriously try to obey the golden rule, do charitable work out of compassion rather than status seeking etc. - well you will probably have a bunch of leftists, hippies, and of course Christians and other religious people, but Christians who look very different to your average conservative voter or activist.

Right track but wrong train and especially wrong locomotive. You need to define the author and authority of morality -- God or man? Believing in man gives us liberalism, believing in Jesus gives us heaven. While we will never have heaven on earth, lessening liberalism gives us alot less hell on earth!

 

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From what little I know, did the early Russian government--from the 1700's onward--"governed" the church and/or manipulate the church toward what it wanted depending on which individual(s) were in charge of government?

Let me direct you to Wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Autocephaly_and_schismthat provide brief but more of less accurate description of this complicated evolution from almost theocratic government of pre-Peter I years to Church loosing independence under Emperors. Interesting to note “Old Believers” alternative Orthodox Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers ) that was always out of state control (both under Tsars and Communists) still exist - last year their religious centre was visited by Putin in first official visit of head of Rus state in 350 years, and talked about possibility of returning Old Believers living abroad back to Russia

 

Some Old Believers communities still surviving on American continents

 

Thank you Roman. Interesting part of Russia I did not know; but not in the evolution of church, state, and power. Your second video reminds me of the Amish/Mennonite people of my area.

I think authoritative officials in both the Church and government need to be constantly reminded of the following:

1 Samuel 8:10-17
Matthew 22:21
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Thank you Roman. Interesting part of Russia I did not know; but not in the evolution of church, state, and power. Your second video reminds me of the Amish/Mennonite people of my area.

I think authoritative officials in both the Church and government need to be constantly reminded of the following:

1 Samuel 8:10-17

Matthew 22:21

Thank you for making me to remove the dust from my Bible. I think to fully understand why answer in Matthew 22:21 was so challenging, we have to keep in mind Roman Empire Emperors were not only civil rulers, but also official pagan Gods and paying taxes to them was violation of single God concept (while calling not to pay taxes was immediately making the person state criminal).

Re analogy with Amish/Mennonite- it is relatively distant. As far as I understand Amish/Mennonite communities are strictly pacifist, while Old Believers are not (for example, significant part of Cossacks, originally runaway peasants escaping Government hand, were Old Believers). Mennonites were the significant part of German migrants to Russia, populating Volga region and what is now Donetsk Republic region and South Russia in general.

 

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From what little I know, did the early Russian government--from the 1700's onward--"governed" the church and/or manipulate the church toward what it wanted depending on which individual(s) were in charge of government?

Let me direct you to Wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Autocephaly_and_schismthat provide brief but more of less accurate description of this complicated evolution from almost theocratic government of pre-Peter I years to Church loosing independence under Emperors. Interesting to note “Old Believers” alternative Orthodox Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers ) that was always out of state control (both under Tsars and Communists) still exist - last year their religious centre was visited by Putin in first official visit of head of Rus state in 350 years, and talked about possibility of returning Old Believers living abroad back to Russia

 

Some Old Believers communities still surviving on American continents

 

Thank you Roman. Interesting part of Russia I did not know; but not in the evolution of church, state, and power. Your second video reminds me of the Amish/Mennonite people of my area.

I think authoritative officials in both the Church and government need to be constantly reminded of the following:

1 Samuel 8:10-17
Matthew 22:21

 

 

I think they need reminding of Genesis 19:30-38.

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back to China:

 

hybris and arrogance and chauvinism and ineptitude at work:

 

it was considered one of the CIA’s worst failures in decades: Over a two-year period starting in late 2010, Chinese authorities systematically dismantled the agency’s network of agents across the country, executing dozens of suspected U.S. spies. But since then, a question has loomed over the entire debacle.

How were the Chinese able to roll up the network?

 

Now, nearly eight years later, it appears that the agency botched the communication system it used to interact with its sources, according to five current and former intelligence officials. The CIA had imported the system from its Middle East operations, where the online environment was considerably less hazardous, and apparently underestimated China’s ability to penetrate it.

 

“The attitude was that we’ve got this, we’re untouchable,” said one of the officials who, like the others, declined to be named discussing sensitive information. The former official described the attitude of those in the agency who worked on China at the time as “invincible.”

 

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/15/botched-cia-communications-system-helped-blow-cover-chinese-agents-intelligence/

 

 

 

cause you know, chinese are as dumb as arabs...

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Some footage might be interesting.

 

Interesting weapon slung over the infantryman's shoulder at 4:04, looks like a SMAW or similar?

 

 

Could be a PF-98 I guess.

 

 

Actually, no.

 

It appears to be a PF-89 (eighty-nine as opposed to ninety-eight).

 

A disposable, unguided launcher to replace the RPG-7, which PLA no longer appear to use. And you can see the projectile is kinda similar to a RPG round, not that I know much about it.

 

 

The PF-98, OTOH is more equivalent of the ATGM MILAN etc.

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