China's Peaceful Rise

[Josh]

3 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Yes, as then the US would sign defense treaties with Taiwan in which the carriers would be a factor, and it would use China's recognition of it as justification.

Why would any additional treaties be necessary if China simply recognized Taiwan's sovereignty?

[Strannik]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Yes, actually. I think everything about US Cuba policy is inane and stupid.

We can continue: how about deciding Hawayans to run an independence referendum considering how Hawaii was "acquired"?

[Strannik]

Interesting - China quite bluntly supported Palestinians and characterized Israel as a colonizer and that the Palestinians have a right to resistance under international law, "including armed struggle", which he "in this context, is distinguished from acts of terrorism".

 

[BansheeOne]

Tibet likes this. 👍

[Strannik]

Yes, of course.

The point is China usually doesn't speak so forcefully on the issues that don't seriously affect them.

[txtree99]

 

[BansheeOne]

[glenn mode]Just wait till Israel trains a guerilla army of several ten thousand diaspora Tibetans and equips them with attack drones, Spike NLOS, and suitcase nukes![/glenn mode]

[Strannik]

How many thousands of Tibetans did Chinese kill recently? 

[Strannik]

26 minutes ago, BansheeOne said:

[glenn mode]Just wait till Israel trains a guerilla army of several ten thousand diaspora Tibetans and equips them with attack drones, Spike NLOS, and suitcase nukes![/glenn mode]

It's OK you are one of kind as it is.

[urbanoid]

38 minutes ago, BansheeOne said:

[glenn mode]Just wait till Israel trains a guerilla army of several ten thousand diaspora Tibetans and equips them with attack drones, Spike NLOS, and suitcase nukes![/glenn mode]

Tibetan stripper assassins?

[Josh]

3 hours ago, Strannik said:

How many thousands of Tibetans did Chinese kill recently? 

How many thousands of Chinese did the Tibetans kill?

[Josh]

4 hours ago, Strannik said:

We can continue: how about deciding Hawayans to run an independence referendum considering how Hawaii was "acquired"?

Hawaii was acquired a lot less violently than Ukraine, nor am I aware of an independence movement.

[Roman Alymov]

7 hours ago, Josh said:

Hawaii was acquired a lot less violently than Ukraine, nor am I aware of an independence movement.

Well, after as far as i remember 200K out of 300K local native Hawaiian population dead of desease etc..... 

 

[urbanoid]

6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Well, after as far as i remember 200K out of 300K local native Hawaiian population dead of desease etc..... 

 

Natives were dying like flies in contact with European diseases? Who would have thought?

Btw. it happened largely before the Americans even came there.

[Strannik]

Chinese apparently is rapidly building a navy base in Ream, Cambodia  which woul allow for Malacca strait monitoring 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/chinas-naval-base-in-cambodia-undergoes-rapid/amp/

Edited February 24, 2024 by Strannik

[Roman Alymov]

54 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Natives were dying like flies in contact with European diseases? Who would have thought?

Btw. it happened largely before the Americans even came there.

Let's put it this way: arrival of Americans have not helped. as "the 1900 U.S. census identified 37,656 residents of full or partial Native Hawaiian ancestry". Note i am not blaming white settlers for that (as they were also people of their time) just pointing out natives were hardly in a position to resist.

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, Strannik said:

Chinese apparently is rapidly building a navy base in Ream, Cambodia  which woul allow for Malacca strait monitoring 

The one I keep an eye on every now and again is Indonesia.   There seems to be a struggle for influence there between China and the US, and it's position along Chinese SLOC is critical.

[Strannik]

34 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

The one I keep an eye on every now and again is Indonesia.   There seems to be a struggle for influence there between China and the US, and it's position along Chinese SLOC is critical.

They just got a new president.  The previous one was conducting a strictly neutral policy.  Trade in Blns:

Export China/US: 65/28 

Import China/US: 68/12

Self explanatory.

ETA:  switching trade with China to local currencies as you see imp/exp  volumes ate helpful.

Edited February 24, 2024 by Strannik

[Strannik]

Annual China Military Power Report: PRC has considered adding military logistics facilities in 19 countries around the world (in addition to Djibouti): Cambodia, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, United Arab Emirates, Kenya, Equatorial Guinea, Seychelles, Tanzania, Angola, Nigeria, Namibia, Mozambique, Bangladesh, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, and Tajikistan.

[urbanoid]

Not sure if this is an appropriate thread, but it seems that Chynah might be concerned with increased KimRussian cooperation.

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Top nuclear envoys of U.S., China discuss N.K. behavior, Russia ties in video talks: State Dept.

By Song Sang-ho

WASHINGTON, Feb. 23 (Yonhap) -- The top nuclear envoys of the United States and China have held video talks to discuss North Korea's "destabilizing" behavior and its deepening military cooperation with Russia, the State Department said Friday.

U.S. Senior Official for North Korea Jung Pak and her Chinese counterpart, Liu Xiaoming, held the talks on Wednesday, amid growing concerns over Pyongyang's continued weapons tests and its tough rhetoric against South Korea.

Their discussions were regarding the North's "increasingly destabilizing and escalatory" behavior, the department said in a release, as concerns persisted that Pyongyang could engage in major provocations ahead of South Korea's parliamentary elections in April and the U.S. presidential vote in November.

"The two sides discussed the need to maintain peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and the importance of returning to dialogue and diplomacy," it said. "They also discussed the growing military cooperation between Russia and the DPRK, which is in violation of numerous U.N. Security Council resolutions."

DPRK stands for the North's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

During the meeting, Pak also stressed the need for all U.N. member states to fulfill their obligations and fully implement U.N. sanctions regime on the North, according to the department.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20240224000200315

[Strannik]

China dramatically increased  purchases of ASML equipment last year (29% of company output)

 

Edited February 28, 2024 by Strannik

[Perun]

Philippines, Chinese vessels clash in South China Sea, casualties reported

https://www.trtworld.com/asia/philippines-chinese-vessels-clash-in-south-china-sea-casualties-reported-17233236

[BansheeOne]

Ah, the dreaded green-on-blue incident.

[Josh]

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/why-you-shouldnt-trust-chinese-growth-data-c65d1a8c#

[Strannik]

On 2/21/2024 at 4:36 PM, Strannik said:

Bomber fleet is set to expand (don't have to retire B-2s, could convert addl. B-52s).

Anyway all this doesn't negate my point re: Chinese effort.

An article from FAS showing the potential nuclear buildup - as we see US can easily more than double the amount of warheads

https://fas.org/publication/if-arms-control-collapses-us-and-russian-strategic-nuclear-arsenals-could-double-in-size/

Edited March 8, 2024 by Strannik