Modern Cavalry

[Leo Niehorster]

estonia did not have cavalry in ww2, neither did lithuania.

Well, in 1939 I have:

Estonia = The 1st Cavalry Regiment (commanded by Colonel Kurvitis) (1342 men and 1143 horses).

Lithuania = The Cavalry Brigade (commanded by General K. Talbat-Kelpsa).

 

Always open to corrections — nice thing about web pages is that they can be amended at will.

[bd1]

ah, ok. i got it as in ´´estonia participated with cavalry in ww2´´, my mistake. i meant that by the time ww2 got here, there was no estonia nor estonian army left

 

 

edit - est. cav. regiment was planned to be re-roled as reconaissance unit, to provide reconaissence batallions for inf. divisions, so there woulde be no pure cav.unit. that was the lesson from 1939 polish cav. actions, but it was proposed with similar reasoning already in mid-20´s. however, in sept. 1940, after soviet anschluss, est. mil. was liquidated

 

 

2.edit. kol. Kurvits

Edited October 24, 2015 by bd1

[Leo Niehorster]

Depending on the criteria, WW2 was well underway when the USSR "annexed" the Baltic States in 1940, Some would say WW2 started in 1931 when Japan invaded Mukden in northeastern China. Others include the Spanish Civil War from 1936. Of course, the Brits consider September 1939 as the beginning. All depends on your criteria and point of view, I guess.

 

F**KING spelling

Edited October 24, 2015 by Leo Niehorster

[urbanoid]

Depending on the criteria, WW2 was well underway when the USSR "annexed" the Baltic States in 1940, Some would say WW2 started in 1931 when Japan invaded Mukden in northeastern China. Others include the Spanish Civil War from 1936. Of course, the Brits consider September 1939 as the beginning. All depends on your criteria and point of view, I guess.

 

F**KING spelling

 

Others say 2nd Sino-Japanese war, i.e. 1937.

[Leo Niehorster]

2.edit. kol. Kurvits

Thanks. Correction duly noted.

[Leo Niehorster]

 

Depending on the criteria, WW2 was well underway when the USSR "annexed" the Baltic States in 1940, Some would say WW2 started in 1931 when Japan invaded Mukden in northeastern China. Others include the Spanish Civil War from 1936. Of course, the Brits consider September 1939 as the beginning. All depends on your criteria and point of view, I guess.

 

F**KING spelling

 

Others say 2nd Sino-Japanese war, i.e. 1937.

 

Like I said, depends on where you stand.

[JasonJ]

WW2 started in 1939 IMO because that is when it became a worldly scale, hence it's name "world war" 2. 1937 was the start of the second Sino-Japanese war. The fighting only happened in China, no where else. And involved only 2 countries, China and Japan. No European power and no USA. The Soviet Union briefly in 1939 against Japan.

Edited October 25, 2015 by JasonJ

[Ken Estes]

What's interesting is the contemporary view and I find that the Brits are not calling it WWII in 1939-40 and I can't recall the point at which it changed.

 

Certainly by Dec41, it is recognized as a new WW, but I can't pin it down.

Edited October 28, 2015 by Ken Estes

[JasonJ]

What did they call the name of the war when Germany invaded Poland in 1939? Were they calling it WW2 at that point? Or did they never think about a name for the war?

Edited October 28, 2015 by JasonJ

[Mike Steele]

Probably People's armed police.

Just the ticket for trampling the unruly peasantry underfoot.

[rohala]

When did the term WW1 come into use? I get the impression that this didnt really come into vogue until the 1950s. Prior to that it was known as the Great War, because, obviously, they didnt know it was just the first instalment in German wars. It was of course the name of the seminal BBC documentary of the 1960s, but by that point it was a term that was nearly obsolete.

In German WW1 was known as the Weltkrieg probably already during the war itself. I have some scanned books from the internet archive, that refer to it as the Weltkrieg already since 1919. Interestingly, I have a book from 1916, but I couldn't find the term Weltkrieg. It refers to the war simply as der Krieg.

By comparison the French official histories of the war published in the 1920's and 1930s are title as "Les armées françaises dans la Grande guerre".

[rohala]

Maybe the term originated with the Germans then. What did they call WW2 when it was underway do you know?

Obviously the second world war. The question is when did they start. I searched in google and found that Hitler said ina speech on 30 January 1942:

 

"Wir hören heute sehr oft die Bemerkung, daß dieser Krieg eigentlich der zweite Weltkrieg sei, das heißt also, man identifiziert diesen Kampf mit dem ersten"

 

I suspect that very early, perhaps from the start in 1939, there were people in Germany that spoke of the second world war.

 

The question is why and when did French, English etc switch from the "Great War" to the "World War". Why not speak of the First Great War and the Second Great War?

[BansheeOne]

I find that "world war" was used speculatively in literature and such ahead of both events, going back as far as Marx and Engels. "The First World War" first appeared in 1920 in the title of „The First World War 1914-1918. Personal Experiences" by Charles à Court Repington, and in 1921 in the German poem "To a Young Leader in the First World War" by Stefan George; obviously there was the expectation that there would be more of the same. "Time" magazine first used the term "World War II" for upcoming events in Europe in June 1939. And per Wiki:

 

The first use for the actual war came in its issue of September 11, 1939.^[9] One week earlier, the Danish newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad used the term on its front page, saying "The second World War broke out yesterday at 11 a.m."^[10]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war

[rohala]

Looks like we lagged behind everyone else then. Figures.

Well, if you read BansheeOne's wiki link it says:

 

 

The Oxford English Dictionary cites the first known usage in the English language to a Scottish newspaper, the People's Journal in 1848: "A war amongst the great powers is now necessarily a world-war."

[Panzermann]

The concept of a world wide war spanning all continents was the logical continuation from for example the european wars spilling over into America in the 18th century. And with most of the world under colonial rule by one empire or another and wars between those almost a natural occurance it was easy to come up with the concept IMHO.

 

The question is rather if the parties engaged in a war can see what they got into. Is it only a small local war or the big one?

[BansheeOne]

I dimly remembered we had this thread.

 

 

German Gebirgsjäger with Haflingers again.

[DougRichards]

 

Probably People's armed police.

Just the ticket for trampling the unruly peasantry underfoot.

 

 

What, no laser rifles?

[DB]

They haven't invented laser safety goggles for horses yet.

[rmgill]

I dimly remembered we had this thread.

 

 

German Gebirgsjäger with Haflingers again.

Could you provision the haflingers with haflingers?

 

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Edited August 6, 2018 by rmgill

[Stuart Galbraith]

Probably a little off topic, but in light of the British Army's long connection with Mules, perhaps not. Wallace the Great, a mule, is the first ever to enter and win a dressage contest in Britain.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6008643/How-Wallace-mule-win-dressage-competition-Britain.html

[T-44]

Could you provision the haflingers with haflingers?

Sure thing

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/MVC-085F.JPG

[BansheeOne]

I dimly remembered we had this thread.

 

 

German Gebirgsjäger with Haflingers again.

 

They backed that up with two videos about the horse platoon of the Bundeswehr's Deployment and Training Center for Pack Animal Operations 230 in Bad Reichenhall, which seems to be a recent re-organization; previously the unit had three mixed platoons of 16 mules and eight Haflingers each, plus six animals in reserve. Total personnel about 250, led by a veterinarian LTC.

 

 

[BansheeOne]

Another one.

 

[Panzermann]

Reestablish the mounted recce company!

[KV7]

PLA Yak cavalry:

Edited May 26, 2019 by KV7