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13 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

So, the achievement of Spain was to funnel colonial gold to finance a religious war against protestantism which would otherwise have been less destructive and ended much shorter. And that is proof how destructive protestantism was?

Nope. I did not wrote that. Had you written "So, an achievement of Spain...", then you would have been right.

Not that Protestantism alone was not involved in any mass murdering. See the German Peasants' War, a conflict between Protestants. That nasty conflict should put an end to the myth of Protestantism standing for freedom of the people, for instance. Freedom of the princes, yes sure. But of the common folk, not very much.

Edited to add a response to last Rick's post:

I agree, that is another sign of God's love for us.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Rick said:

Quite true. But what is amazing about God is that his creation, the church, still thrives and is the second best thing that has happened to man (first is his son).  No matter the human folly and errors, the church is still the instrument of choice to being good to the world as the history of the world has shown. 

There is no goodness without God.

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https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-compensation-ukraine-blinken/31295014.html

Germany is discussing ways to compensate Ukraine for the financial loss it will suffer from the completion of a controversial Russian natural-gas pipeline backed by Berlin, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has told Congress.

Nord Stream 2 will carry gas from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine, and is expected to deprive Kyiv of billions of dollars in annual transit fees if it is completed.

The United States -- as well as many countries in Eastern Europe -- have opposed the project on the grounds that it will make Europe more dependent on Russian energy and undermine Ukraine's economy and security.

Nonetheless, the Biden administration last month agreed to waive some sanctions on Nord Stream 2, all but ensuring its completion, in an attempt to mend strained relations with ally Germany, which continues to support the project.

In a hearing on June 7 at the House of Representatives' Foreign Relations Committee, Blinken partially justified the waiver, saying Germany "has come to the table" to discuss how it can help Ukraine deal with the economic fallout.

"We are actively engaged with [Berlin] to look at what can and should, and I believe must be done to...make sure that the transit fees that Ukraine at some point in the future may lose as a result of this pipeline...[is] made whole," Blinken told the committee.

He did not give details on what form the compensation could take. Some have suggested Germany could invest in Ukraine's alternative-energy industry.

Blinken also said it was important to have upfront agreements in place with Germany that would allow the United States to impose sanctions on the pipeline at a later date should Russia seek to use it as a coercive tool against its neighbors in Eastern Europe.

U.S. President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy were expected to discuss the pipeline in a phone call later in the day.

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6 hours ago, ex2cav said:

Prez Biden will put Hunter in charge of the outreach with Ukraine, since he has all that...you know...."experience".

I know its satire, but its boggles the mind the sort of money thrown at Hunter in the hopes of influencing his father.

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Depends on how solid those hopes are. If the prospects are good to exert influence, those handsome payments are peanuts.

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Its called 'Lobbying', and whilst people might dislike it, I dont really see any Government going back to the 1950's that was happily taking handouts from US Companies. Americans get upset only when its Foreign Companies, but in the age of the multinational its increasingly irrelevant.

As for Biden, ive yet to see a single piece of evidence he was in fact successfully lobbied by Ukraine. Judging by the Giuliani tapes released the other day, there is a considerable amount of evidence it was in fact going the other way.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/audio-reveals-giuliani-pressured-ukraine-to-investigate-biden-allegations-1.5461496

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https://www.msn.com/en-xl/europe/top-stories/uefa-tells-ukraine-to-remove-political-slogan-from-kit-ahead-of-euros/ar-AAKTROC?ocid=BingNewsSearch

 

June 10 (Reuters) - European soccer governing body UEFA told Ukraine on Thursday it could keep a map showing Crimea on its new national shirt despite objections from Russia but must remove the phrase "Glory to the heroes" due to military connotations.

Ukraine's kit, due to feature in the European Championship, has stirred rivalries with Moscow because it includes an outline map showing the peninsula of Crimea which Russia annexed in 2014 but remains internationally recognised as part of Ukraine.

A slogan at the back reads "Glory to Ukraine" while inside the shirt are the words: "Glory to the heroes" - a military greeting in Ukraine.

UEFA said the map was not a concern given it reflected U.N.-recognised borders, nor was the phrase "Glory to Ukraine".

But it ordered the removal of the second phrase, given the "specific combination of the two slogans is deemed to be clearly political in nature, having historic and militaristic significance", a UEFA statement said.

Ukraine had said the shirt was a symbol of national unity, and President Volodymyr Zelenskiy posted a selfie on Instagram with the jersey on this week.

Nevertheless, Ukrainian news website Vesti.ua quoted the team as saying on Thursday they were likely to comply with UEFA demands.

"Most likely, the uniform will be modified," it quoted spokesman Mykola Vasilkov as saying.

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2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

In fact the conversation goes more like Giuliani basically saying to the Ukrainians 'Nice little country you have there, be a real shame if anything happpened to it'. 

Read the transcript, im not a liar.

Rudy used to go after the mob, but he's ending his public career with an incident where he acted like a mafiosi. 😞

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25 minutes ago, Nobu said:

He might have had his best chance at higher office then. I think that admiration of him was national. Which begs the question: "What the hell happened to him?"

I think he literally has suffered a mental condition. He went from "America's Mayor" to being a babbling idiot willing to sell his soul to keep a reality show host in the White House.

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6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Vascular dementia is my guess.

Perhaps but there is no need for it. It is plausible that he was always a jerk and the fondness for him felt by many was little more than a side effect of enthusiastic patriotism and sympathy for New York city.

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1 hour ago, KV7 said:

Perhaps but there is no need for it. It is plausible that he was always a jerk and the fondness for him felt by many was little more than a side effect of enthusiastic patriotism and sympathy for New York city.

That’s pretty much how I feel about him; he sort of benefitted from a lot of upward trends that were going on in NYC anyway immediately before and during his tenure. He definitely went on a downward spiral over the last 20 odd years though. 

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5 hours ago, KV7 said:

Perhaps but there is no need for it. It is plausible that he was always a jerk and the fondness for him felt by many was little more than a side effect of enthusiastic patriotism and sympathy for New York city.

But if he was the man then he is now, he would have been selling out to the highest bidder. The Mafia in New York would be far more like they were in the 1960's and 70's than they are now, because they would have bought him.

Ok, so he probably always was a bit of a bastard. But he clearly was not a crook.

I will say this, there were plenty of good guys in the Nixon administration who were convicted as crooks, simply because it was a permissive environment for that kind of thing. Maybe his good judgement just departed him.

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Just finished reading about his ex-wife in an attempt to answer my own question of what the heck happened. I'd agree that something insidiously mental may have happened to him in his post 9/11 life.

Or someone. Consider the span of his last marriage: 2003-2019.

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17 hours ago, KV7 said:

Perhaps but there is no need for it. It is plausible that he was always a jerk and the fondness for him felt by many was little more than a side effect of enthusiastic patriotism and sympathy for New York city.

He certainly used to be much more coherent than he is now, whatever his political leanings.

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