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2 hours ago, seahawk said:

German politicians are asking NATO to stop the aggressive actions:

German politicians?  These are just your comrades from the german post-communists.  About 8% from the ""German politicians"".

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In 2014 the Kremlin made a big mistake about the motivation of Ukrainian society. In 2021 the price will have increased significantly.  GRUZ-200 is not welcome in Russia.
That brings to mind Switzerland's cold war  strategy:  "You won't win, but the price of victory will be disproportionately high." That's why I am in favor of writing the price clearly legible on the label.

 

 

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On 4/19/2021 at 8:57 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Mark Galeotti is an expert that has been on Atlantic council several times. This is an interesting forecast of what might happen.

 

Thank you for that, I really enjoyed this guy openly admitting “rule of law” is actually the way for previous generation of criminals to safely transit their assets stolen from around the world to their kids. Probably, the best description of Western legal system ever.

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9 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

But looking on the positive side, property prices are going to come down a treat. :)

Either that, or NATO decides to leave Poland out on a limb.

I don't think NATO does. Hello pied-a-terre in London for two :)

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1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

German politicians?  These are just your comrades from the german post-communists.  About 8% from the ""German politicians"".

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In 2014 the Kremlin made a big mistake about the motivation of Ukrainian society. In 2021 the price will have increased significantly.  GRUZ-200 is not welcome in Russia.
That brings to mind Switzerland's cold war  strategy:  "You won't win, but the price of victory will be disproportionately high." That's why I am in favor of writing the price clearly legible on the label.

 

 

Switzerland was talking the invasion of Switzerland, not Ukraine.  I think you'll find them a bit less feisty about fighting for Ukraine.  

Anyways, what did you have in mind specifically in terms of a response to bling up the warning label?

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On 4/19/2021 at 10:12 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Shelling of Ukrainian cities, that would include the 5 year old killed that turned out to be a complete Russian fabrication would it?

Here is a radical strategy. if Russia is so cares about people being killed in the Donbass, leave. Nobody was dying before you arrived, nobody would die after you left. If there is shelling there, its purely because Putin brought war there. You even had to import fighters from Russia because the locals didnt want to know.

What exactly 5 year old from many?

How many pro-Ukrainian shells fall on Crimea, that pro-Ukrainians claim occupied territory and where population near contact line is almost not present (since it is mostly salty swamps and dry fields)? Answer is – none. Why? Because pro-Ukrainians know there are Russian troops there, and any attempt to fire at them will have consequences. More over, when pro-Ukrainians attempted diversion act – they were caught, and (despite officially claiming it was all Russian fake)  then-US Vice President lectured Ukraine President not to attempt anything like this anymore (at least without US permission). If it is not enough, pro-Ukrainians quite behave all along thousands of kilometers of Russian-Ukrainian boirder, despite all their claims of “war with Russia” – because they know there are Russian troops on other side of the border. What is so special in Donbass that made pro-Ukrainians believe they could fire their guns there and get away with it? As for me, the answer is obvious:  they know that there are actually no Russian troops there. And it brings logical solution: move Russian forces in, and it will immediately halt pro-Ukrainian activity (as their “strong civil society” aka Nazis  already prefer kicking British football fans who happened to be of wrong skin color in safety of rear areas, not facing pro-Russian artillery at frontline)

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No, no, Slav whisperer is a thing, Stuart rally think he understands everything there.

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Thinking about Glenn’s ASAT paranoia a little made me realize a much bigger possibility to expanded conflict is the Russians downing NATO recon aircraft over the Black Sea. Unlike satellites, those can provide timely tactical targets of all kinds. No one is going to start WW3 over an RQ-4, but wasting a Rivet Joint or P-8 is going to make things complicated real fast. And those are much more threatening targets to the Russians, especially if there is an amphibious component to their plan.

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5 hours ago, Josh said:

Thinking about Glenn’s ASAT paranoia a little made me realize a much bigger possibility to expanded conflict is the Russians downing NATO recon aircraft over the Black Sea. Unlike satellites, those can provide timely tactical targets of all kinds. No one is going to start WW3 over an RQ-4, but wasting a Rivet Joint or P-8 is going to make things complicated real fast. And those are much more threatening targets to the Russians, especially if there is an amphibious component to their plan.

 If they do provide “timely tactical targets” – then they are taking part in war and are legitimate targets. But our Gov is too weak and pro-Western for decisive actions like that.  EzXSRveUcAQY2g2?format=jpg&

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46 minutes ago, seahawk said:

If Russia declares a no-fly zone and a NATO aircraft enters it, it will be shot down. It is time to stop NATO aggression.

Pro-Ukrainians often claim NATO will establish no-fly zone over them to save them from Russian aviation.

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8 hours ago, bojan said:

No, no, Slav whisperer is a thing, Stuart rally think he understands everything there.

Whereas increasingly all you provide is sarcasm, blle and spite. You clearly have a brain Bojan, a very smart one, and I want to hear it. But personal abuse is unwarranted and ultimately wholly useless. Because you are simply not going to stop me saying what I think.

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7 hours ago, Josh said:

Thinking about Glenn’s ASAT paranoia a little made me realize a much bigger possibility to expanded conflict is the Russians downing NATO recon aircraft over the Black Sea. Unlike satellites, those can provide timely tactical targets of all kinds. No one is going to start WW3 over an RQ-4, but wasting a Rivet Joint or P-8 is going to make things complicated real fast. And those are much more threatening targets to the Russians, especially if there is an amphibious component to their plan.

I was reading the other day, the Ukrainians claimed the Russians already brought down a Turkish Drone via electronic warfare means. So yes, I can certainly see that happening to a NATO drone. After all, the Iranians shot one down and saw zero consequences.

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KYIV, April 20 (Reuters) - Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Tuesday challenged his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to meet him in eastern Ukraine's Donbass region for talks on ending the conflict there and easing tensions between the two states.

Issuing the invitation in a video address in the late evening, Zelenskiy also urged Kyiv's Western backers to give "clear signals" that they were willing to support the country in its standoff with Russia.

Kyiv and Moscow have traded blame for rising clashes in the Donbass, where Ukrainian troops have battled Russian-backed forces in a conflict that Ukraine says has killed 14,000 people since 2014.

Ukraine, its Western allies and NATO have accused Russia of a "provocative" build-up of troops on Ukraine's eastern border and in Crimea. Russia in turn accused the United States and NATO of "provocative activity" in the Black Sea region.

"Mr Putin: I am ready to go even further and invite you to meet anywhere in the Ukrainian Donbass, where there is a war," Zelenskiy said.

The standoff has prompted Ukraine to urge NATO member states to admit Ukraine into the military alliance. It also called on the European Union to impose new economic sanctions on Moscow but acknowledged that EU might not be prepared to do so yet.

"Our citizens need clear signals that in the eighth year of the war, a country that is a shield for Europe at the cost of its lives, will receive support not just as partners, from the stands, but as players on the same team, directly on the field, shoulder to shoulder," Zelenskiy said.

Ukraine wants to end the conflict through diplomacy but is ready to defend itself if attacked, he added.

"Does Ukraine want the war? No. But is Ukraine ready for the war? Yes." 

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https://www.yahoo.com/now/ukraine-leader-signs-law-call-060005412.html

 

KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has signed a law allowing reservists to be called up for military service without announcing mobilization, his office said on Wednesday.

Approved by parliament late in March, the measure makes it possible to significantly boost the armed forces, amid escalation of tension with Russia in eastern Ukraine.

"This will make it possible to quickly equip the military units of all defence forces with reservists, thereby significantly increasing their combat effectiveness during military aggression," the office said.

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12 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

https://www.yahoo.com/now/ukraine-leader-signs-law-call-060005412.html

 

KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has signed a law allowing reservists to be called up for military service without announcing mobilization, his office said on Wednesday.

Approved by parliament late in March, the measure makes it possible to significantly boost the armed forces, amid escalation of tension with Russia in eastern Ukraine.

What it will significantly boost is migration out of Ukraine, both West and East. Combined with disastrous  demographic and economic situation, it will make the end of “independent Ukraine” project closer.

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2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

 If they do provide “timely tactical targets” – then they are taking part in war and are legitimate targets. But our Gov is too weak and pro-Western for decisive actions like that.  EzXSRveUcAQY2g2?format=jpg&

Would you rather have the US get their intelligence from the Ukrainians?

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1 minute ago, RETAC21 said:

Would you rather have the US get their intelligence from the Ukrainians?

They already de-facto control SBU (as entire floor of SBU headquarter reserved for US intelligence officers and denied for Ukrainian personnel). More over, we see Ukrainian diplomats acting as intelligence gathering assets in favour of West (see latest case in StPete).

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1 minute ago, Roman Alymov said:

They already de-facto control SBU (as entire floor of SBU headquarter reserved for US intelligence officers and denied for Ukrainian personnel). More over, we see Ukrainian diplomats acting as intelligence gathering assets in favour of West (see latest case in StPete).

That's strategic intelligence, not tactical one, and not, they are not the KGB, so they are not puppets and will know how to play the US for their own ends. 

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5 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

That's strategic intelligence, not tactical one, and not, they are not the KGB, so they are not puppets and will know how to play the US for their own ends. 

SBU is active in all “fields” (including collecting bribes from local businesses) so they are surely not KGB. You are right they will try to use USA as own tool (like so called “Syrian opposition” did)  but what will be the outcome of it is unclear.  

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3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

SBU is active in all “fields” (including collecting bribes from local businesses) so they are surely not KGB. You are right they will try to use USA as own tool (like so called “Syrian opposition” did)  but what will be the outcome of it is unclear.  

Which is why it's important to have independent confirmation on what is happening over thr frontlines.

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