Kiev Is Burning

[Stuart Galbraith]

You say that in mockery, but yes, that is actually true also. He does believe from recent posts that the huge islamic influx is destroying Europe (strangely he doesnt seem to mind when he is grandstanding with actual Arabs, and even wants to sell them F35's, presumably so they can influx easier).

He sees liberalism as a worse enemy than Russian fascism. And of course, why wouldnt he? Is Putin he wants to emulate, no Europe, even at the same time he notices with astonishment how cheap our treatment in our hospitals is.

 

[seahawk]

Not mockery, that is actually what is written in the NSS and the leaked draft. 

https://www.csis.org/analysis/national-security-strategy-good-not-so-great-and-alarm-bells

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/12/trump-corollary-us-security-strategy-brings-new-focus-latin-america-it-disordered-plan

When democracy becomes a nice to have..... 

And yes, I am very interested how Taiwan and China will read this. Not interfere in other nations, is a bit of a problem considering the Chinese "One China" stance. 

And yes limiting immigration to Europe seems a bit difficult when on the other had autocratic and anti-democratic regimes in the Middle East and Africa are endorsed. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

2 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Not mockery, that is actually what is written in the NSS and the leaked draft. 

https://www.csis.org/analysis/national-security-strategy-good-not-so-great-and-alarm-bells

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/12/trump-corollary-us-security-strategy-brings-new-focus-latin-america-it-disordered-plan

When democracy becomes a nice to have..... 

And yes, I am very interested how Taiwan and China will read this. Not interfere in other nations, is a bit of a problem considering the Chinese "One China" stance. 

And yes limiting immigration to Europe seems a bit difficult when on the other had autocratic and anti-democratic regimes in the Middle East and Africa are endorsed. 

Yep, that seems to be where we are headed.

No, none of it is joined up or makes any sense. But then populist nonsense doesnt require people to read the fine print, its just grab a torch and march in line and dont think so much.

And my apologies. You do the comedy act so often, when you land on something exceptionally pertinent, its too easy to write it off as part of the comedy routine. But yes, you're absolutely right imho. Russia is the model they want to emulate. 

[urbanoid]

5 minutes ago, seahawk said:

And yes limiting immigration to Europe seems a bit difficult when on the other had autocratic and anti-democratic regimes in the Middle East and Africa are endorsed. 

One has nothing to do with the other. 

Btw. as far as just illegal immigration is concerned, 'endorsing autocratic Libyan regime' was actually helping Europe, the same arrangement should be repeated with other regimes if possible. We don't need to inquire very hard about what they do to the would-be migrants. 

[Mike1158]

3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I mean, how many pages you want? There are as many theories as there are Trump moods. Personally, I think he believes Putin is like himself, because he sees himself a tough guy, so clearly he has more in common than with those Europeans. This rather shows you how Trump utterly overrates himself.

Not well put but the swings back and forth with differing goals seem to be more than inconsistency.  Apart from an unbalanced mind and a desire to be a deity, he genuinely reminds me of the gardener (Peter Sellars) in the film "Being there".

 

I believe it is important that a proper analysis of his condition be undertaken before he does more permanent damage.

 

He looks out of his depth on many of his appearances on the idiot box to the point that it is likely he is just a puppet under remote control.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I think a puppet would be more single minded. 

 

[urbanoid]

New(ish) Girkin dropped, from two days ago, autotranslated from his TG:

Quote

Igor Strelkov on where we've come after four years of war and economic development.

Ukraine is banking on Russia's exhaustion in a protracted and unsuccessful war, which, in fact, is still ongoing. Many try to forget that the war has been going on for almost four years. In just over two months, the four-year anniversary of the start of the Central Military District will be celebrated. During this time, not only have we failed to liberate all of Novorossiya and force them to defeat, but we haven't even been able to completely clear the Donbas of the enemy.

In the fourth year of the war, the enemy has begun to strike deep into the Russian Federation's rear, targeting its economic and infrastructure assets, which also doesn't indicate a victory.

Yes, frontline reports are now frequently reporting that we've liberated yet another populated area and even succeeded in capturing several cities that we'd been storming for up to eighteen months (in this case, I'm talking about Vovchansk). However, overall, the front line has retreated westward by a few dozen kilometers at most , not hundreds.

The enemy is maintaining the integrity of the front, and its army is not disintegrating. Therefore, it is unfortunately impossible to say that victory has already been achieved or that it is very close.

At the same time, I would like to note that while a year ago we had far less optimistic reports from the front, we did, in contrast, have had quite positive reports on the economic situation. That is, the economy was growing, both military and general production were growing, GDP was growing, new production facilities were opening, including high-tech ones, and there was even a certain "boom" in the opening of heavy industry plants and assembly plants, primarily, of course, military ones, but also other ones.

Now, however, we have the exact opposite picture, indicating the escalation of a serious economic and industrial crisis. Production is declining, inflation is rising, and economic difficulties are mounting, which can no longer be mitigated by the introduction of reserves, since these reserves have been depleted.

The problem is that the state can no longer continue the war in the manner we've been waging it for four years, that is, without shifting the economy to a war footing.

This is precisely what our so-called "brothers" (or "non-brothers," as they're also called), or rather , the junta that leads them, are counting on: that after a while, Russia's economy will "go into a tailspin," causing a collapse of both the home front and the front, and thus they will win the war by attrition.

They're also counting on Europe as a solid rear, since the Russian army can't strike Europe without starting World War III.

 

[seahawk]

6 hours ago, urbanoid said:

One has nothing to do with the other. 

Btw. as far as just illegal immigration is concerned, 'endorsing autocratic Libyan regime' was actually helping Europe, the same arrangement should be repeated with other regimes if possible. We don't need to inquire very hard about what they do to the would-be migrants. 

I have to disagree. Having a line of autocratic states to stop the tide, is doing nothing but making Europe open to blackmail by said states. 

What you actually need is stopping the flood and that means making life in the origin countries better. 

[urbanoid]

6 minutes ago, seahawk said:

I have to disagree. Having a line of autocratic states to stop the tide, is doing nothing but making Europe open to blackmail by said states. 

What you actually need is stopping the flood and that means making life in the origin countries better. 

Yeah, we have methods of blackmail too, like having them replaced. With or without the bombs on their heads.

You won't make their countries of origin better, only... more of them, the way the West turned 5 trillion sent to Africa into... quadrupling their population.

Edited December 12, 2025 by urbanoid

[Sinistar]

8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Just because you claim something is the case, it doesnt mean its true.

 

same to you

that is what you did when you said ukraine recaptured pokrovsk

you used an analogy which would presume that you think holds

 

which i am explaining why i do not think works in the way you were using it

[seahawk]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

Yeah, we have methods of blackmail too, like having them replaced. With or without the bombs on their heads.

You won't make their countries of origin better, only... more of them, the way the West turned 5 trillion sent to Africa into... quadrupling their population.

Kenia and Ugunda vs. Somalia or Kongo. 

I have no problem with supporting autocrats - reasonable pro western autocrats. Not the terrorist financing, extremist supporting types. 

[urbanoid]

As long as no migration from there is infesting Europe, I don't care. 

[JWB]

Guidance fail?

 

[seahawk]

41 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

As long as no migration from there is infesting Europe, I don't care. 

I do because Hamas or 9/11 are not on my wishlist. 

[RETAC21]

2 hours ago, seahawk said:

I have to disagree. Having a line of autocratic states to stop the tide, is doing nothing but making Europe open to blackmail by said states. 

What you actually need is stopping the flood and that means making life in the origin countries better. 

This. This is precisely what Morocco does, for example, using a carrot and stick approach to get their aims. In constrast, we cannot repay because the EU accords tie us.

[Josh]

58 minutes ago, JWB said:

Guidance fail?

 

No accident. If a neutral ship is in a combatant port, it is no longer neutral. Ukraine has targeted a Turkish ship as well in international waters.

[Josh]

1 minute ago, RETAC21 said:

This. This is precisely what Morocco does, for example, using a carrot and stick approach to get their aims. In constrast, we cannot repay because the EU accords tie us.

We can add Turkey to that list.

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

I do because Hamas or 9/11 are not on my wishlist. 

Obviously not, but we don't have to care about their domestic methods.

[MiGG0]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

No accident. If a neutral ship is in a combatant port, it is no longer neutral. Ukraine has targeted a Turkish ship as well in international waters.

This. I dont think any ship going to UKR ports are safe anymore. All the grain deals, etc are most likely ended after UKR started to attack shadow fleets.

Edited December 12, 2025 by MiGG0

[Roman Alymov]

12 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The only place it happened in this war was Mariupol, and that was down to the unusual tactical circumstance of having see on one side so they couldnt escape.

Actually, it was quite possible for Azov&Co to leave Mariupol in first days, when there was no dense encirclement around - but, according to what pro-Ukrainians themselves said, they were ordered to stay and fight as relief strike was promised to reach them. Not clear if it was real plan or just the way to keep Azov and UkrMarines in this de-facto fortress of relatively big city with high-rise appartment blocks and massive steelworks - but the plan worked and "appeasement of the West" party was so kind to fly Azov to safety on Abramovich's personal jet.

12 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

. Despite promising reports, we didnt see anything from the apparent encirclements about Pokrovsk. They either were evacuated, or they were small in number and got vapourized by endless artillery strikes.

   Estimated number of pro-Ukrainians encercled in Mirnograd is about 2000 (significantly below Mariupol figures  - as now densiry of troops on the frontline is significantly lower then in 2022), and taking into account Azov's fate, i do not think pro-Russians would care to take many POWs (as they all know that Abramovich's jet is still waiting).

[seahawk]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

Obviously not, but we don't have to care about their domestic methods.

One does not go without the other. If you preach hate against the West, it will have consequences, especially if combined with money.  Embracing such regimes will only end in failure. 

[urbanoid]

6 minutes ago, seahawk said:

One does not go without the other. If you preach hate against the West, it will have consequences, especially if combined with money.  Embracing such regimes will only end in failure. 

Who said about preaching hate against the West? I don't care if a strongman from tribe X is decimating the tribe Y in some buttfuckistan, as long as no tribe is mass immigrating to functional countries to make our lives worse and as long as the resources keep flowing. It will be in his (or her, I'm sooo progressive and not discriminating, see?) interest not to 'preach hate against the West', because that would potentially mean the end of the gravy train and potentially an even worse fate.

No sense in 'exporting democracy' to third world shitholes, not only is it casting pearls before swine, they'll despise you for it and most likely turn to those who don't insist on such silliness, like Russia and China. 

[Roman Alymov]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

No accident. If a neutral ship is in a combatant port, it is no longer neutral. Ukraine has targeted a Turkish ship as well in international waters.

More over, as far as i understand this ship was officially going not to Odessa, but to Romania

So it is a big question how this ship ended up in Odessa port.

    Reportedly, it is loaded with electric power generators (at least, trucks on board carry the logo of major Turkish producer of this type of equipment).

    And, contatry to initial report, she was hit not by Iskander, but by single low-flying Geran' drone (probably, guided version).

   Video of the attack, note no AA fire

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/190415

https://t.me/oper_goblin/37338

   Fire on the ship filmed by Turks

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/190397

By the evening, still burning https://t.me/boris_rozhin/190400

Another video from the ship. seems like truck drivers arguing with crew members https://t.me/milinfolive/162226

Edited December 12, 2025 by Roman Alymov

[seahawk]

10 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Who said about preaching hate against the West? I don't care if a strongman from tribe X is decimating the tribe Y in some buttfuckistan, as long as no tribe is mass immigrating to functional countries to make our lives worse and as long as the resources keep flowing. It will be in his (or her, I'm sooo progressive and not discriminating, see?) interest not to 'preach hate against the West', because that would potentially mean the end of the gravy train and potentially an even worse fate.

No sense in 'exporting democracy' to third world shitholes, not only is it casting pearls before swine, they'll despise you for it and most likely turn to those who don't insist on such silliness, like Russia and China. 

In theory, but at the moment the US embraces Saudi Arabia and Qatar. 

[Roman Alymov]

Instant denazification: pro-Rus fiberFPV, while flying through forest belt in search of targets, stumbled upon a small group of pro-Ukrainians. One of them, probably believing the drone is friendly, decided to greet drone operator (or give a sign they are pro-Ukrainian fo avoid FF) by showing "from heart to sun" salute. Reaction of pro-Rus drone operator was predictable. But the wery choise of the salute in life-or-death situation is quite telling what gesture pro-Ukrainians genuenly believe to be 100% self-identification drone operator miles away would recognise as friendly.....

https://t.me/lost_armour/7430