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Roman Alymov Hierophant Lord

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43 minutes ago, mkenny said:

Watching Zelenski's press conference and it seems he is burning his boats with Trump. There appears no way back for him and his future is getting bleaker with every sentence.

Not only Zrelensky - it is general mood among pro-Ukr media figures, for example illfamous Mariana Bezuglaya advised Trump where he should go (see "I suggest the US president follow the Russian ship": Kyiv officials and deputies began to openly be rude to Trump and engage in self-hypnosis )

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Current theory among pro-Ukrainians is that they will be supported by Europe and it will be enough to last long enough till RusArmy collapse.

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1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

Not only Zrelensky - it is general mood among pro-Ukr media figures, for example illfamous Mariana Bezuglaya advised Trump where he should go (see "I suggest the US president follow the Russian ship": Kyiv officials and deputies began to openly be rude to Trump and engage in self-hypnosis )

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Current theory among pro-Ukrainians is that they will be supported by Europe and it will be enough to last long enough till RusArmy collapse.

 

Reply to bolded part. It is not enought. Europe in current state cannot even replace US lost aid and UKR will last probably only half year to year with only Europes help. Now if Europe get its shit togetther it has potential to outproduce Russia, but it is long way to happen in reality.

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Reportedly, wreck of French-provided Crecerelle drone (with UA marking) was found in Kazakhstan, not far from the place of recent attack uf Ukr drones on oil pipeline pumping station (on Russian territory). That attack slowed down oil export via this pipeline (from Kazakhstan to Novorossiysk), as result KZ lost about 30% of its oil export capacity (temporary, untill damage fixed)

https://t.me/anna_news/76446

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Hey Roman -- I don't know if you read the news, but Russia has won the war. Putin's strategy to keep fighting until Trump got elected was risky (basically a 50/50 chance) but it turned out to be successful. 

The end result is that Russia has killed about 100k people that you consider to be fellow Russians, and suffered probably equal losses in return. So congratulations!!

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11 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

I mean typical expences associated with running the colony:

Russia is not a colony.

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On 2/13/2025 at 2:23 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

Britain spent 27 BILLION POUNDS underwriting your utter fiasco in Afghanistan. For America thats probably a Days ammunition at the gun range, for us, that was big money. And after expending that obscene amount of cash on your behalf, which we now struggle to replace in defence, after taking 456 killed, after taking 5000 wounded, all of which are soldiers that YOUR Veterans department didnt have to bury or give long aftercare to, now the mind numbing answer from the Tanknet cheap seats is 'well you can continue the war on your own terms.' Thats after giving hundreds of stormshadow stand off weapons, whilst your President was dithering whether ATACMS was going to start WW3 or not, and sending Challenger Tanks, Starstreak missiles, NLAWS, even Sea King Helicopters, whilst your President struggled to remember Britain even existed, and starved us of a trade deal that might actually allow us to spend the amounts on defence that Europe deserves. After 20 years in the sandbox didnt we earn that at least?

So no, Im not going to take any finger wagging from you guys. The reason why Ukraine has not won is purely down to your utter disinterest in letting them win. You have the worlds largest defence budget, you have stockpiles of weapons coming out of your ears, and you are terrified, utterly terrified  to use it, or even let others use it. Its not about letting the Europeans take a lead. its not even about cost. its about you turning into a bunch of goddamn moral cowards overnight, and just like Chamberlain, continually justify it in the most bizarre fashion that its someone elses fault.

 

 

 

I believe Afghanistan was OUR war. British troops were there, too, at some point I believe. Money has not been spent wisely in Ukraine. Money was not spent wisely in Afghanistan. I too criticized the Afghanistan mission, and leaving from, here as well. However, you take to personal attacks which doesn't increase the strength of your argument. I don't understand your first paragraph. I don't agree with your second paragraph. WE sent Ukraine hundreds of billions of  arms, equipment, and financed the Ukrainian government to keep it running. Secondly, as an aside, the US has been engaged in wars and "non-permissive" environments for more than two decades. I think that undermines your point as well.

I hope peace is coming to Eastern Europe. With that, both sides will likely not get everything they want.

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I think a certain president who fought for freedom, democracy and Western values should start to worry:

 

Trump calls Ukraine's Zelenskyy a 'dictator,':

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/zelenskyy-trump-putin-war-ukraine-russia-started-rcna192765

https://www.euronews.com/2025/02/19/trump-calls-zelenskyy-a-dictator-slamming-kyiv-leadership

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18 hours ago, mandeb48 said:

 

I think a certain president who fought for freedom, democracy and Western values should start to worry:

 

Trump calls Ukraine's Zelenskyy a 'dictator,':

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/zelenskyy-trump-putin-war-ukraine-russia-started-rcna192765

https://www.euronews.com/2025/02/19/trump-calls-zelenskyy-a-dictator-slamming-kyiv-leadership

Factually wrong and unwise but has Trump actually done anything to Ukraine? Like putting already agreed military aid on hold?

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It doesn't matter if it's true or not, he is the current incarnation of Uncle Sam and if Uncle Sam needs another president in Ukraine, another president will have.

And if some Europeans don't like it, I'm sorry. as the saying goes: Where a captain rules, a sailor has no sway

 

Of course it doesn't weaken Ukraine too much during the negotiations either, it needs Russia to want to negotiate peace, not give it hope for a quick victory. It will continue to help but not much, so that Ukraine resigns itself to accepting the deal, the same with Russia,

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20 hours ago, mandeb48 said:

Trump calls Ukraine's Zelenskyy a 'dictator,':

Zelensky has no constitutional authority to be in power, his term has expired.   He is facing increasing resistance to draconian draft measures at home and huge casualties on the battle front, and is now down to satrap of Europe status.  If the insult sticks, fling it.

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2 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

Factually wrong and unwise but has Trump actually done anything to Ukraine? Like putting already agreed military aid on hold?

The New York Times kinda threatened Trump on the weekend in a speculative article suggesting that Ukrainian drone production could wind up in the hands of enemies of the United States.  Say, for example I can think of, such as Mexican drug cartels.  So it's not entirely a question of what the US might do to Ukraine, it's also what Ukraine might do to the US.

  

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5 hours ago, mandeb48 said:

 

It doesn't matter if it's true or not, he is the current incarnation of Uncle Sam and if Uncle Sam needs another president in Ukraine, another president will have.

And if some Europeans don't like it, I'm sorry. as the saying goes: Where a captain rules, a sailor has no sway

 

Of course it doesn't weaken Ukraine too much during the negotiations either, it needs Russia to want to negotiate peace, not give it hope for a quick victory. It will continue to help but not much, so that Ukraine resigns itself to accepting the deal, the same with Russia,

The Russians have been trying for 3 years to have a new leader of Ukraine. Good luck with that.

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16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The Russians have been trying for 3 years to have a new leader of Ukraine. Good luck with that.

 

 

Obviously they are not uncle sam

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glenn239 Hierophant Lord

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Zelensky might survive politically with just European backing.   Or, he may be deposed in a coup or forced into an election that he loses.  Or, maybe the Russians will reach an agreement with the Americans after which coddling Zelensky is no longer necessary.

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He might absolutely survive politically, ironically Trump's recent attacks on him slightly improved his approval rating in Ukraine, which is absolutely understandable. 

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Just now, Stuart Galbraith said:

Apparently  if Putin and Trump want to get rid of him he has to be alright. 😁

We conservatives used to say "GWB can't be that bad if the left hates him so much." 

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I predicted over a year ago on this site how the CIA may kill Zelensky over refusal to agree to any peace talks. I still believe it may happen.

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