glenn239 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: 'Europe must take a lead in it's own affairs, but stand back whilst President Trump sells out Ukraine.' Hesketh is a complete idiot, I entirely understand why Trump picked him. I told you 10 years ago that NATO might be weaker than it appeared.
Roman Alymov Posted February 14 Posted February 14 5 hours ago, glenn239 said: But overall, seems the safe bet to assume that if the Russians don't do something stupid like listen to the likes of Strelkov, that the Western bloc will erode. Erosion of "Western block" is natural process that do not depend on Russia's actions (the same way as erosion of USSR was natural process not dependent on West actions). In reality "Russians not listening to the likes of Strelkov" is prolonging the sipercomfortable position for "Western bloc" as "non-likes of Strelkov" were pumping Russian wealth to West for free (artificially boosting West economy) - and are dreaming of being allowed to restart this practice again.
Roman Alymov Posted February 14 Posted February 14 P.S. Fresh pro-Rus joke is "Now we must keep President Zelensky safe at all costs, as he is the only obstacle capable of preventing RF leadership from signing another Minsk-style capitulation"
Detonable Posted February 14 Posted February 14 10 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: 'Europe must take a lead in it's own affairs, but stand back whilst President Trump sells out Ukraine.' Hesketh is a complete idiot, I entirely understand why Trump picked him. Only a complete idiot wants this war to continue, and think things will improve for Ukraine the longer it continues.
Roman Alymov Posted February 14 Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, Detonable said: Only a complete idiot wants this war to continue, and think things will improve for Ukraine the longer it continues. I'm affraid you are taking Western propaganda for reality. It is civil war in Russia, every person killed on this war is Russian (not depending on passport - RF or Ukr - this person have, by the way note many have both, like people from Crimea and Donbass for example), and every day the war is prolonged means more dead Russians, more destruction of Russian infrastructure (as there is no such thing as "Ukrainian infrastructure", all is constructed by USSR or even Rus Empire). West will be pleased with any outcome, be it Russia staying devided into "Ukraine" and "Russian Federation" or reunified, as it will be a lot of losses and destruction anyway. Another question is this war is loosening West control of Russia, result of 1991, as it is also de-facto war for independence fought both against West directly and against colonial Gov imposed by West in Russia.
seahawk Posted February 14 Posted February 14 6 hours ago, glenn239 said: I told you 10 years ago that NATO might be weaker than it appeared. NATO will be history. The US can not be so stupid to keep paying for the defence of Europe. I think president Musk will not have that.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Detonable said: Only a complete idiot wants this war to continue, and think things will improve for Ukraine the longer it continues. Only a complete idiot thinks an end to the war is what is on offer. At best all that is on offer is a ceasefire of 5-10 years before they try again. Who knows, Putin may be dead by then. They might actually have someone who understands military matters by then, and wont keep stealing out the till.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Russia deliberately attacks Chernobyl sarcophogus. Interesting timing. https://metro.co.uk/video/russia-strikes-chernobyl-nuclear-power-plant-shelter-3374023/
seahawk Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Only a complete idiot thinks an end to the war is what is on offer. At best all that is on offer is a ceasefire of 5-10 years before they try again. Who knows, Putin may be dead by then. They might actually have someone who understands military matters by then, and wont keep stealing out the till. The end of the war is realistic, if Russia is fully united.
glenn239 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 8 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Erosion of "Western block" is natural process that do not depend on Russia's actions Stop trying to blow sunshine up Strelkov's ass. He's wrong, he does not know what he's talking about. The reason why Trump is able to secure the political leverage to disengage from not only Ukraine, but NATO, is because of the manner in which Putin has handled the war in comparison to how the Europeans, Ukraine, and neocons in the US have conducted themselves. Do not let what is said in this site fool you for general Western opinion. People are not paying close attention to the Ukraine war, but they have noticed that the Russians are putting up with alot of shit from NATO with missile attacks and such into Russian territory. The overall attitude has soured towards Europe and Ukraine. Trump was elected on the foreign policy front to deal with the problem, and part of the reason why he won is because of how Putin has managed the war. (In Canada we have our own problems with Trump right now, but these are viewed as a problem with Trump in particular). Edited February 14 by glenn239
jmsaari Posted February 14 Posted February 14 7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Only a complete idiot thinks an end to the war is what is on offer. At best all that is on offer is a ceasefire of 5-10 years before they try again. Who knows, Putin may be dead by then. They might actually have someone who understands military matters by then, and wont keep stealing out the till. How silly of you. If history has taught us anything, it's that when authoritarian regimes push for land grabs, letting them get what they want is how you preserve peace and end the aggressions for good.
JWB Posted February 14 Posted February 14 https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1890446444345037000 A pair of Ukrainian engineers inspect the gaping hole in the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant’s confinement unit after a Russian drone strike last night.
glenn239 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 12 minutes ago, JWB said: https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1890446444345037000 A pair of Ukrainian engineers inspect the gaping hole in the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant’s confinement unit after a Russian drone strike last night. Russian drone strike?
Ssnake Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, glenn239 said: Russian drone strike? You're right, Siebel ferry looks more likely.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Or alternatively a war elephant fired by trebuchet. I'm reliably informed they make a siebel ferry sized hole.
Roman Alymov Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 hours ago, glenn239 said: Russian drone strike? Pro-Rus take on that "Hitting the sarcophagus of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power plant is just a quick improvisation. They came up with something in a hurry. In a week or two, they'll come up with a special dirty trick. They'll set up a barn with some disabled children from the music and mathematics lyceum at the Uman Synagogue and burn it down, they'll say a Russian rocket has arrived. British intelligence will confirm whether independent OSINT researchers from London have committed a crime and will publish a protocol from Putin's bunker with a clear instruction to bomb this particular barn with a Hazelnut. People are making a fuss - you can't stop the war, otherwise this will come up, God forbid!" ( https://t.me/historiographe/18013 ) Interestingly, pro-Ukrainians are allready spreading in Belorussia fake news reels about radiation level increase -indicating it was pre-planed action (fake reel can't be created and spread in few hours) https://t.me/belarus_antifake/179
Roman Alymov Posted February 14 Posted February 14 British Mastiff MRAP was stuck while crossing tank bridge over Smerdlitsa river in Kursk region (installed by M60 AVLB few days ago during pro-Ukr attack south of Sunja https://t.me/milinfolive/141752 ) and, while driver was enjoying his sigarete, FPV drone came and finish it off, sealing remaining pro-Ukr armor on other side of the river https://t.me/milinfolive/141979
Roman Alymov Posted February 14 Posted February 14 8 hours ago, glenn239 said: Stop trying to blow sunshine up Strelkov's ass. He's wrong, he does not know what he's talking about. I'm sorry but why do you think it is quote from Strelkov? It is my thoughts, and seems like at least some people in West top political leadership have simmilar ideas https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14397163/JD-vance-Munich-europe.html "'Europe faces many challenges, but the crisis this continent faces right now, the crisis I believe we all face together, is one of our own making,' he said." 8 hours ago, glenn239 said: The reason why Trump is able to secure the political leverage to disengage from not only Ukraine, but NATO, is because of the manner in which Putin has handled the war in comparison to how the Europeans, Ukraine, and neocons in the US have conducted themselves. Well, as i have repeatedly said here, "Russian elite" aka "collective Putin", while pro-Western and comprador, are far more competent then Western politicians, for one simple reason: in 1990th, people making their way to the top (or just "up") power and business ladder in Russia were not only killing competitors on the way, but were also risking own lifes. And competitive envirionment of this type is very good at filtering out people of at least Western politicians level of arrogance and incompetence...... Still, it is not making this people "care about interests of Russia" 8 hours ago, glenn239 said: Trump was elected on the foreign policy front to deal with the problem, and part of the reason why he won is because of how Putin has managed the war. And "how Putin has managed the war?" Yes "collective Putin", despite of defection of many key members (who suddenly realized they are foreign citizens and got nothing to do with Russia) have prevented outright collapse (as this collapse would have ked to their own death, with family members). But the same people are still dragging their feet to fight the war, as they still dream about white masters changing their mind and allowing them back into juniour members status.....
glenn239 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 57 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: And "how Putin has managed the war?" Well, Zelensky started off with NATO in his pocket, and now he's down to launching drone strikes against Chernobyl in hopes of breaking up American-Russian talks. Had Putin played his cards the way you and other 'pro-Russians' had wanted, I doubt Trump would have as much latitude to do what he's doing now.
Roman Alymov Posted February 15 Posted February 15 7 hours ago, glenn239 said: Well, Zelensky started off with NATO in his pocket, and now he's down to launching drone strikes against Chernobyl in hopes of breaking up American-Russian talks. I'm sorry but "Zelensky started off" in 2001 as standup comedian personally begging from the stage for "Putin please take ne out of here, even as reparationm for <Ukraine> debts" (in front of Putin himself) Not to mention Zelensky newer had "NATO in his pocket", as NATO was right from the start using him as one of the tools to weaken Russia. 7 hours ago, glenn239 said: Had Putin played his cards the way you and other 'pro-Russians' had wanted, I doubt Trump would have as much latitude to do what he's doing now. Had Putin "played his cards the way me and other 'pro-Russians' had wanted", Ukraine would have been reintegrated (without bloodshed!) with Russia long before Trump became President for the first time.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) Clearly it was Putin, recognising that the Europeans were wavering, so he figured the threat of a load of radioactive fallout falling across Europe, just as his forebears did in 1986, is just the thing to get them to fall in line. In that as in many other things he is hopelessly off base. But its amusing as always to see the usual suspects desperately try to sweep up after him, as I daresay they always will. Edited February 15 by Stuart Galbraith
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 15 Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said: I'm sorry but "Zelensky started off" in 2001 as standup comedian personally begging from the stage for "Putin please take ne out of here, even as reparationm for <Ukraine> debts" (in front of Putin himself) Not to mention Zelensky newer had "NATO in his pocket", as NATO was right from the start using him as one of the tools to weaken Russia. Had Putin "played his cards the way me and other 'pro-Russians' had wanted", Ukraine would have been reintegrated (without bloodshed!) with Russia long before Trump became President for the first time. And Putin started out a paper pusher in the mass murdering KGB. Churchill liked jokes as well, Ill always take a comedian over a mass murderer, any day of the week.
Stefan Kotsch Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Zelensky started off" in 2001 as standup comedian Ronald Reagan was a Western film actor. Furthermore, Selensky studied Selenski law. So this is an argument without a foundation. There are presidents who had to work as a "Carpenter of category 4" and as a taxi driver. Incidentally, the carpenter is regularly the subject of mockery in the Russian readers' crevices. Edited February 15 by Stefan Kotsch
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Lech Walesa was just a Shipbuilder, and he brought down the entire Eastern Bloc. It just goes to show, its not the profession, its the man.
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