Yama Posted January 25 Posted January 25 4 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Gaza is an urban environment. You should be aware by now that the majority of combat in Ukraine is done in open and rural areas. No I am not aware of it, most defensive positions seem to be placed on built-up environment. Also I don't see what it matters whether there are trees or buildings around you, if a guy is front of you hands up. I suppose one reason/excuse for Russians to shoot POWs is how dangerous it must be to transport them through the 'drone zone'. Gaza of course has little if any of that.
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 25 Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Yama said: No I am not aware of it, most defensive positions seem to be placed on built-up environment. Also I don't see what it matters whether there are trees or buildings around you, if a guy is front of you hands up. Oh, well now you are. In Ukraine although a lot of towns are used as temporary defensive positions, the vast majority of actual contact is in open areas. Towns are also mostly hubs while actual defensive lines are outside and across the frontline. True urban combat is very rare in Ukraine, and occurred mostly in the first year of the war. When either side captures POWs, it's usually known well ahead. For example Russian deserters are often marched across open fields toward Ukrainian positions and monitored typically via drones. Or when one side makes quick progress and surrounds an enemy, they know well in advance where the defensive positions are. But in Gaza it's not kilometers and hours between your troops and potential prisoners. It's meters and seconds. When the IDF takes large batches of prisoners, it's usually after surrounding some compounds known to be fortified and manned. Troops are briefed well in advance that they'll be taking prisoners, and interrogators and trucks are brought in to facilitate their transfer. But those hostages came in with no warning, to troops unaware of any POW-taking operation, in an environment full of Hamas kamikaze terrorists rushing at them with explosives. 1 hour ago, Yama said: suppose one reason/excuse for Russians to shoot POWs is how dangerous it must be to transport them through the 'drone zone'. Gaza of course has little if any of that. In that case don't take POWs. The reason why every side propagandizes how well they treat POWs is so that their enemy would be more willing to surrender if pressed. But if said enemy now knows they'll be brutally executed, then they'll just fight to the death. Which for any attacker is terrible news.
Roman Alymov Posted January 26 Posted January 26 FiberFPVs vs. armor and vehicles, including US Avenger SAM https://t.me/anna_news/75587
Roman Alymov Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) FiberFPV drones vs. armor and vehicles, note how drone oprator is able to bypass obstacles/grids or even clear up the way by repeated strikes https://t.me/boris_rozhin/152513 https://t.me/boris_rozhin/152525 Edited January 26 by Roman Alymov
Roman Alymov Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Walk around captured Sisu XA-180 IFV (MRAP?) https://t.me/milinfolive/140567
Roman Alymov Posted January 26 Posted January 26 "Barn-tank" in action https://t.me/milinfolive/140567
MiGG0 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said: Walk around captured Sisu XA-180 IFV (MRAP?) https://t.me/milinfolive/140567 It is just "APC", but very mine resistant (first APC desings that started to incorporate V shaped hulls). Edited January 26 by MiGG0
Yama Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said: Walk around captured Sisu XA-180 IFV (MRAP?) https://t.me/milinfolive/140567 Is this an old video? To me looks the one they captured 2 years ago: https://x.com/PolymarketIntel/status/1602246143030722561
Yama Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 2:29 PM, Mighty_Zuk said: Oh, well now you are. In Ukraine although a lot of towns are used as temporary defensive positions, the vast majority of actual contact is in open areas. Towns are also mostly hubs while actual defensive lines are outside and across the frontline. True urban combat is very rare in Ukraine, and occurred mostly in the first year of the war. Soledar, Bakhmut, Vuhledar, Avdiivka, Vovchansk...and those are just the biggest urban battles in 2023-24. On 1/25/2025 at 2:29 PM, Mighty_Zuk said: But in Gaza it's not kilometers and hours between your troops and potential prisoners. It's meters and seconds. When the IDF takes large batches of prisoners, it's usually after surrounding some compounds known to be fortified and manned. Troops are briefed well in advance that they'll be taking prisoners, and interrogators and trucks are brought in to facilitate their transfer. But those hostages came in with no warning, to troops unaware of any POW-taking operation, in an environment full of Hamas kamikaze terrorists rushing at them with explosives. They didn't come with 'no warning', they had left messages and signs. They did not run towards their potential saviors or appear unexpectedly around the corner, they were shot while they had their hands up. Same goes for Castleman, he was on his knees, stripped his shirt, and had hands up when shot. As noted, this is indicative of poor discipline of Israeli soldiers, or dedicated policy of not taking prisoners, or both. On 1/25/2025 at 2:29 PM, Mighty_Zuk said: The reason why every side propagandizes how well they treat POWs is so that their enemy would be more willing to surrender if pressed. But if said enemy now knows they'll be brutally executed, then they'll just fight to the death. Which for any attacker is terrible news. No disagreement. I wonder if prisoner exchanges are used as an excuse by troops performing such deeds - "what's the point as they will be released anyway". But maybe I am overthinking it. Cases of POW killings from WW2 I have read or heard about (including one witnessed by my grandfather) often had extremely whimsy reasoning behind. "It was too long trip to the rear area" or "what's the point of feeding them?" Edited January 26 by Yama
Roman Alymov Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Yama said: No disagreement. I wonder if prisoner exchanges are used as an excuse by troops performing such deeds - "what's the point as they will be released anyway". As i have said long ago. not "prisoner exchanges" but one particular prisoner exchange. See my post from July 2024 www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/38893-kiev-is-burning/page/3668/#comment-1757193 "Well, Russia is based on two contradictory traditions - tradition of discipline and tradition of riot/self reliance. Now discipline tradition is more or less prevailing on grassroots level (but some abominations are corrected by people on the ground, for example after foreign mercenaries and Azov Nazis were set free by dirty deal in exchange for Putin's friend Medvedchuk, and, more over, flown abroad on Abramovich private jet with brand new iPhones as gifts from Abramovich - by strange coincidence they are no more making their way to captivity alive)." It is reasonable to say Azov&Co no more making their way to captivity alive is the Russian infantry grunts way to say "F*k you Mr.President, no more Nazis exchanged for your buddies and making their way to frontline again" 2 hours ago, Yama said: But maybe I am overthinking it. Cases of POW killings from WW2 I have read or heard about (including one witnessed by my grandfather) often had extremely whimsy reasoning behind. "It was too long trip to the rear area" or "what's the point of feeding them?" In this war, unlike WWII (when crossing behind nearest hill from first trench line was almost guarantee of relative safety), the most dangerous part of infantry daily life is not sitting in first line dugouts/covers or even attack itself, but crossing 10-15 km "kill zone" FPVs and DGI Mavics are operating. So infantryman tasked to escort group of prisoners to rear area (and then walk back to his post in first line) is, with great chances, having his last mission. Not surprising infantry is not always happy to take and escort prisoners. Actually, now taking prisoners is the act of self-sacrifice.
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 hours ago, Yama said: They didn't come with 'no warning', they had left messages and signs. They did not run towards their potential saviors or appear unexpectedly around the corner, they were shot while they had their hands up You know very well what I meant. No need to twist my words. When IDF troops in Gaza are prepared to take POWs, it's usually at least hours in advance, if not days. There's absolutely no shortage of people running around with their hands up or white flags or begging for help, only to turn out to be Hamasniks. 3 hours ago, Yama said: Same goes for Castleman, he was on his knees, stripped his shirt, and had hands up when shot. Castleman's case is straight up murder. But it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Im hearing stories that Israeli is passing on any weaponry they captured off Hamas on to Ukraine. Admittedly much of it is probably beat up, and some of it Iranian built so God knows if its any good. But very interesting I thought. Slowly Israel seems to be bucking up to be a Ukrainian supplier, now they dont have Russia breathing down their neck on their doorstep.
glenn239 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Im hearing stories that Israeli is passing on any weaponry they captured off Hamas on to Ukraine. Admittedly much of it is probably beat up, and some of it Iranian built so God knows if its any good. But very interesting I thought. Slowly Israel seems to be bucking up to be a Ukrainian supplier, now they dont have Russia breathing down their neck on their doorstep. I've seen reports they are considering it, but hadn't seen where they'd proceeded to do so yet.
JWB Posted January 27 Posted January 27 8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Im hearing stories that Israeli is passing on any weaponry they captured off Hamas on to Ukraine. Admittedly much of it is probably beat up, and some of it Iranian built so God knows if its any good. But very interesting I thought. Slowly Israel seems to be bucking up to be a Ukrainian supplier, now they dont have Russia breathing down their neck on their doorstep. https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1883890920648515872 "Israel has started supplying Ukraine with Soviet and Russian-made weapons captured in Lebanon." - The Telegraph. About 60% of the weapons captured by Israel during the fight against Hezbollah were made in the USSR and Russia. Additionally, as previously reported by an OSINT analyst, Israel is also transferring Soviet weapons captured in Syria to Ukraine.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Syrian as well? Thats interesting, I wasnt aware they captured much. Im wondering if someone is actually buying equipment off the Syrians to send North?
Roman Alymov Posted January 27 Posted January 27 FiberFPVs vs. T-64 in Sverdlokovo, Kursk region. Note how relatively slow are fiberFPV drones https://t.me/infomil_live/14394
alejandro_ Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Potential peace plan: So, according to the "schedule," Trump is said to be planning a phone call with Putin in late January or early February. In early February, he is planning to discuss the plan with the Ukrainian authorities. Following the results of Washington's communication with Moscow and Kiev, the negotiations may either be paused (if no common ground can be found) or continued (if such points are found). In the second case, the following further schedule is provided. Zelensky must cancel the decree prohibiting negotiations with Putin. In February - the first half of March 2025, it is proposed to hold a meeting between Trump, Zelensky and Putin (a trilateral meeting or two bilateral meetings will be decided separately). The meeting should approve the main parameters of the peace plan, and then continue working on the agreement at the level of special commissioners. While negotiations are underway and hostilities continue, Trump does not block the sending of military aid to Ukraine. From April 20, 2025 (Easter, which this year all Christian denominations celebrate on the same day) it is proposed to declare a truce along the entire front line. At the same time, all Ukrainian troops must be withdrawn from the Kursk region. At the end of April 2025, the International Peace Conference should begin its work, which will record an agreement between Ukraine and the Russian Federation on ending the war with the mediation of the United States, China, a number of countries in Europe and the Global South. At the end of April, an exchange of prisoners will begin according to the formula "all for all". By May 9, the International Peace Conference is expected to issue a declaration on ending the war in Ukraine based on agreed parameters. After May 9, Ukraine is offered not to extend the martial law regime and mobilization. Presidential elections are held in Ukraine at the end of August, and parliamentary and local elections at the end of October. The proposed parameters of the agreement to be concluded within the framework of the International Conference: 1. Ukraine will not be a member of NATO and declares neutrality. The decision to ban Ukraine from joining the Alliance must be approved at the NATO summit. 2. Ukraine will become a member of the EU by 2030. The EU undertakes obligations for the post-war reconstruction of the country. 3. Ukraine does not reduce the size of the army. The United States is committed to continuing support for the modernization of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. 4. Ukraine refuses military and diplomatic attempts to return the occupied territories. But does not officially recognize the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over them. 5. Some sanctions against the Russian Federation will be lifted immediately after the conclusion of a peace agreement. Some - over the course of three years, depending on Russia's compliance with the parameters of the agreement. All restrictions on the import of Russian energy resources to the EU will be lifted. But for a certain period of time, it will be subject to a special duty by the Europeans, the proceeds of which will be used to restore Ukraine. 6. Parties that advocate for the Russian language and peaceful coexistence with Russia must be allowed to participate in elections in Ukraine. All actions against the UOC and the Russian language must be stopped at the state level. 7. The point about the European peacekeeping contingent after the end of military actions is highlighted as particularly problematic. On the one hand, Kyiv demands this as a guarantee of security. On the other hand, the Russian Federation is categorically against it. Separate consultations between all parties should be held on this point. https://strana.today/news/478985-peremirie-k-paskhe-mir-k-9-maja-v-politkruhakh-obsuzhdaetsja-100-dnevnyj-plan-trampa.html
glenn239 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I'm guessing those terms are a considered a non-starter in Moscow.
seahawk Posted January 29 Posted January 29 It would not meet Russian needs. It does not see a demilitarisation of the Ukraine nor would Russia take control of all historical Russian territories.
Roman Alymov Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Infantry tactics: assault actions of 4-men assault team, drone-assisted and supervised directly by btn commander/ Actions of the "Shustry"("Nimble") battalion (named after the commander, "Shustry" - the guy with black beard we see at radio at command position) of the Akhmat Special Forces фs part of the 4th brigade of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Clearing on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the building of a Soviet-time children's camp in the southeast of Chasova Yar (note the building walls are camuflated, probably as attempt to avoid airstrikes) Initially pro-Rus group was "sitting" in different buildings literally 15-20 m from the enemy. Backpacks with plasticite and tank mines were delivered to them from the copters to begin the assault and eliminate the pro-Ukr men, the fighters told RT military commander Vlad Andritsa @vandrytsa. 00:44 — an assault team enters the building, the Ukrainian Armed Forces throw explosives at it from drones. 01:05 — one eliminated opponent is visible, three more remain. 02:07 — the commander of the assault group with the call sign "Aid" ( Russian for "Hades") engages in battle with the pro-Ukrainian, grenades are thrown at the enemy. 03:05 — Aid is wounded, Tolyan (short of "Anatoly"), the commander of the second assault group, steps in. 03:39 — battle of the drones: our UAVs attack the room where the enemy is holed up, the enemy responds. 05:27, 05:38 — the enemy was smoked out with several precise blows from FPV drones, but the enemy continued to shoot back, there is an active two-on-two battle. 05:55 — Tolyan and another stormtrooper occupy the floor. Fierce fighting continued until dark, and no one left their positions at night. After the capture of this building, the camp territory was completely cleared. https://t.me/boris_rozhin/152837
glenn239 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 11 hours ago, seahawk said: It would not meet Russian needs. It does not see a demilitarisation of the Ukraine nor would Russia take control of all historical Russian territories. Roman told us Putin would jump at the chance to surrender. Yet, oddly, Putin's response to these feelers is that Zelensky is not the legitimate leader of Ukraine and no negotiations can take place until Ukraine has a negotiator that is legally empowered to do so. It's like Putin is seeking reasons not to make peace just because the Ukrainian army is crumbling. WRT to the proposed terms, I assume it's a SNL skit? The idea that a new NATO commitment not to expand is of no use, since previous promises were violated. The idea that the Ukrainian army will be allowed to remain the same size is flatly stupid - it will be drastically reduced. The idea that the Americans, and not the Russians, will be Ukraine's arms supplier is absurd, and the idea that the EU can have territory outside NATO jurisdiction is preposterous. The Russians will want to talk to Trump in hopes that Trump invades Greenland or Mexico, or something, in the meantime. There is cause to imagine that if the Russians just spin it out, Trump will become distracted by one of numerous fights he's itching to start. Edited January 29 by glenn239
Roman Alymov Posted January 29 Posted January 29 38 minutes ago, glenn239 said: Roman told us Putin would jump at the chance to surrender. Let me correct you here: i have repeatedly told here Russian rulling class (aka "collective Putin") would " jump at the chance to surrender" if they would see the opportunity to sell this surrender to population as victory. Othervice, there was no need to start this operation back in 2022 - allowing pro-Ukrainians to wipe out Donbass in AZ/AM war style was quite an option. To great extent, this war has finished that little what was left of "Putin's popularity" and now they got no political capital left to convince people into another unpopular deal. Of course they, in cooperation with their Western "parthners", could try to kill as many pro-Russians on the front line to both reduce the number of active opponents and make society "tired of war and ready to accept any outocme", but as proven by Prigozhin's march it is risky strategy - anytime populat battalion or regiment commander could board the tanks and ride all the way to Kremlin with cheering crowds welcoming them all the way... So Russian elite, while hating pro-Russians, can;t just surrender the way they would love to.
seahawk Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Imho the only solution is the surrender of the pro-Ukrainian forces and the integration of the Ukraine into Russia. It should be an easy deal to make for Trump, as it is of no interest to America who owns the Ukraine, but it would be a great move to weaken the EU, which is a big enemy of the USA.
Roman Alymov Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Recovery of M113 off Bakhmut, note NY decorations and artwork on pro-Rus "barn-tanks" https://t.me/boris_rozhin/152939
ink Posted January 30 Posted January 30 12 hours ago, glenn239 said: Roman told us Putin would jump at the chance to surrender. Yet, oddly, Putin's response to these feelers is that Zelensky is not the legitimate leader of Ukraine and no negotiations can take place until Ukraine has a negotiator that is legally empowered to do so. It's like Putin is seeking reasons not to make peace just because the Ukrainian army is crumbling. WRT to the proposed terms, I assume it's a SNL skit? The idea that a new NATO commitment not to expand is of no use, since previous promises were violated. The idea that the Ukrainian army will be allowed to remain the same size is flatly stupid - it will be drastically reduced. The idea that the Americans, and not the Russians, will be Ukraine's arms supplier is absurd, and the idea that the EU can have territory outside NATO jurisdiction is preposterous. A small point perhaps, but the EU and NATO do not overlap. There are countries that are in one, but not the other.
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