Kiev Is Burning

[Roman Alymov]

6 minutes ago, mkenny said:

The UK media has gone right over the edge:  

No idea what factiual data (if any) this article is based on, but 40% losses for first-line infantry troops operating in assault mode for (how many month NKoreans are taking part in the fighting, according to Western media?) seems too low as for me. I personally would expect losses to be greater. If it is real figure, it will mean NKoreans are massively supperior to both pro-Russians and pro-Ukrainians (it well may be true, as they are de-facto specially selected SOF soldiers used as infantry).

[Roman Alymov]

This future M1 Abrams crew member walked his dog for the last time. Krivoy Rog, native city of Zelensky https://t.me/boris_rozhin/152158

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

No idea what factiual data (if any) this article is based on, but 40% losses for first-line infantry troops operating in assault mode for (how many month NKoreans are taking part in the fighting, according to Western media?) seems too low as for me. I personally would expect losses to be greater. If it is real figure, it will mean NKoreans are massively supperior to both pro-Russians and pro-Ukrainians (it well may be true, as they are de-facto specially selected SOF soldiers used as infantry).

The conclusion from Mark Uban on the BBC, they are better than average North Korean Conscripts. But they aren't supermen.

[Roman Alymov]

8 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The conclusion from Mark Uban on the BBC, they are better than average North Korean Conscripts. But they aren't supermen.

No idea how somebody from BBC could know how good are NKoreans compared to other NKoreans. Let's wait for the time OPSEC would not be limitation on that.

[sunday]

2 hours ago, mkenny said:

The UK media has gone right over the edge:  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87djeezjxeo

Western officials have told the BBC that North Korean troops have already suffered nearly 40% casualties in the fighting in Russia's western Kursk region, in just three months.

The officials, who spoke on grounds of anonymity, said that out of the estimated 11,000 troops sent from North Korea, known as DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea), 4,000 were battle casualties.

That term comprises those killed, wounded, missing or captured. Of the 4,000, the officials said around 1,000 are believed to have been killed by mid-January.

These losses, if confirmed, are unsustainable by the North Koreans.

 

 

It must be true because an 'expert says so:

 

"These are barely trained troops led by Russian officers who they don't understand," says the former British Army tank commander, Col Hamish de Bretton-Gordon.

"Quite frankly they don't stand a chance. They are being thrown into the meat grinder with little chance of survival. They are cannon fodder, and the Russian officers care even less for them than they do for their own men."

 

This is an earlier Jan 2023 prediction the same expert:

 

"A UK Challenger tanks will take several hits from a T-72 one hit from a Challenger on a T-72 destroys it." Russia has no capability to conduct modern manoeuvre warfare especially in the face of Western tanks, former tank officer Hamish De Bretton Gordon tells   #timesradio.

 

 

 

Way to go Hamish!

Seems we found the real Stuart.

[sunday]

4 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

I wish we have "Russian propaganda" you are talking about. Unfortunately reality is "official line" is more or less "nothing to look at, there is no war, SVO is going according to the plan, no need for society to bother about it". Todyay Strelkov was denied by court to be released from prison to house arrest/mandatory work because, as official papers say, "he is following radical ideology" - while thousands of open hardline Islam followers are walking the streets of Russia freely. The main concern of our pro-Western elite is still suppression of pro-Russian movement as the main danger to their grip of power.

Well, the usual suspects still believe in PutinistPropaganda™

[Roman Alymov]

3 hours ago, urbanoid said:

A view of Trump from the other side:

Note Kots is well-known "guardian", so even "guadians: spreading ideas like this is remarkable. Yes they are always trying to "catch teh wind" of top officials mood, but at the same time they need to stay more or less popular among grassroots (othervice, they will become useless for top officials) - so if they say something not exactly in line with "official position" is indication of strong pressure from the regular people they communicate and work with daily. 

Another "guardian", Sladkov https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/12317

"We should all follow the example of people from Donetsk. Ooo! These are interesting people. I would call them the "Kuban' Siberians." Why? Yes, they are persistent, harsh, enterprising, funny, able to hate, and most importantly, the very principle lives in them: "Don't believe, don't be afraid, don't ask." 

Donetsk residents are deprived of such a serious illness as "seduction" and "vain expectations."  These people do not believe in an illusory future, they are harsh and 100% realistic. And we, the rest of the Russians, were too relaxed in anticipation of "Uncle Trump's condescension." 

Trump will really "make America great again." He speaks this loudly and everywhere. But he does not add that for this he is ready to spit on every other country in the world individually. And spit on everyone at the same time. 

I would be surprised if our Moscow, after the announced nonsense of the 47th president of the United States, runs to negotiate. I really hope, even I am sure, that the word "dignity" is not a simple sound for our Kremlin. The boor communicates with us in a boorish way, but we, the whore, are well-mannered people, and we communicate with the boor as with a well-mannered person. 

Here's today's picture of your life. I'm sure we all think the same thing about the situation. We don't need peace at any cost. Maybe we will have to hit. And to hit as strong as the West begs. It is not necessary to exchange the lives of Russian soldiers to fulfill the will of Washington. Let the megatons talk."

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

No idea how somebody from BBC could know how good are NKoreans compared to other NKoreans. Let's wait for the time OPSEC would not be limitation on that.

Because Mark Urban isnt just the BBC's long time Defence correspondent, he is a military history of some note, and before he went straight in life, used to crew Chieftain tanks.  So he does know something about how an Army should work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Urban

You dont have to take his word for it, but ive seen lots of lesser sources on twitter all saying precisely the same thing. They are better than Russian meatwaves, but not enough to make an appreciable difference.

Edited January 23 by Stuart Galbraith

[Roman Alymov]

4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Because Mark Urban isnt just the BBC's long time Defence correspondent, he is a military history of some note, and before he went straight in life, used to crew Chieftain tanks.  So he does know something about an Army should work.

I'm sorry but i see nothing in this list that is making this man, with all my respect to him, able to judge current state of NKoreans on Russian frontline.

7 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

You dont have to take his word for it, but ive seen lots of lesser sources on twitter all saying precisely the same thing. 

Are you serious about using Western social media as source about events in Russia?

8 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

They are better than Russian meatwaves, but not enough to make an appreciable difference.

No doubt NKoreans are massively "better than Russian meatwaves" because "Russian meatwaves" do not exist.

Re "appreciable difference" - let's look at it at different angle: Imagine the grouping of peace-time SOF soldiers (who are by definition youngsters around 20 yo in good athletic condition, selected to have no health problems etc.) arriving to the frontline where both sides are war-time mobilized soldiers (average age of pro-Rus infantry is about 40, pro-Ukrainians are now even older, no special selection of best athletes). It is logical to expect this elite troups will stand out in terms of results achieved, but since modern war is not athletic competition as it once was, this advantage will be modest.

[Roman Alymov]

Interesting medical case

"Russian Marine fought for a week with a bullet in his head

On the front line, where every moment is a challenge to fate, real examples of heroism often manifest themselves. One such example is the story of a Marine with the call sign "Shima" from the 155th Marine Brigade of the Russian Federation.

In the Kursk direction, a fighter of the Russian Armed Forces was performing a combat mission when an enemy shot knocked off his helmet. Believing that the bullet had only grazed him, the Marine continued to fight. A few days later, he received shrapnel wounds to his face and was evacuated to a hospital. 

A medical X-ray showed a shocking picture: the bullet that hit the head a week earlier remained there all the time.

"Shima" continued to do his duty, unaware of the severity of his injury." ( https://t.me/anna_news/75500 )

[Roman Alymov]

Drone-directed cluster Tornado-S MLRS strike on group of trucks in shelters 5km from Slavyansk https://t.me/anna_news/75503

[Stuart Galbraith]

53 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

I'm sorry but i see nothing in this list that is making this man, with all my respect to him, able to judge current state of NKoreans on Russian frontline.

Are you serious about using Western social media as source about events in Russia?

No doubt NKoreans are massively "better than Russian meatwaves" because "Russian meatwaves" do not exist.

Re "appreciable difference" - let's look at it at different angle: Imagine the grouping of peace-time SOF soldiers (who are by definition youngsters around 20 yo in good athletic condition, selected to have no health problems etc.) arriving to the frontline where both sides are war-time mobilized soldiers (average age of pro-Rus infantry is about 40, pro-Ukrainians are now even older, no special selection of best athletes). It is logical to expect this elite troups will stand out in terms of results achieved, but since modern war is not athletic competition as it once was, this advantage will be modest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/10/30/we-were-sent-as-meat-a-russian-soldier-says-after-his-vehicle-rolled-right-in-front-of-two-ukrainian-tanks/

We Were Sent As Meat,’ A Russian Soldier Says After His Vehicle Rolled Right In Front Of Two Ukrainian Tanks

Russian forces are advancing all along the front line. But the attacks are sloppy—and costly.

 

I make that at least 2 naval infantry brigades that have been expended in this way. Not to mention Wagner. But hey, who counts Wagner?

 

[MiGG0]

56 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/10/30/we-were-sent-as-meat-a-russian-soldier-says-after-his-vehicle-rolled-right-in-front-of-two-ukrainian-tanks/

We Were Sent As Meat,’ A Russian Soldier Says After His Vehicle Rolled Right In Front Of Two Ukrainian Tanks

Russian forces are advancing all along the front line. But the attacks are sloppy—and costly.

 

I make that at least 2 naval infantry brigades that have been expended in this way. Not to mention Wagner. But hey, who counts Wagner?

 

 

 

And reality (In short there is no "human wave attacks". Just normal light infantry attacks):
 

https://x.com/emilkastehelmi/status/1879989129632788749

Edited January 23 by MiGG0

[Stuart Galbraith]

4 minutes ago, MiGG0 said:

 

 

And reality:
 

https://x.com/emilkastehelmi/status/1879989129632788749

Meanwhile in reality reality:-

 

[seahawk]

Can you stop spreading those fake news from western social media.

[MiGG0]

41 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Meanwhile in reality reality:-

 

 

And you still believe these propaganda medias. Most dont even know what "human wave" attacks are compared to real light infantry attacks. Read the link I posted. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yes, real life infantry attacks I know a very little about thanks. I dont think throwing endless bodies at a position to absorb enemy fire warrants as real light infantry tactics, not unless its Roarkes Drift, and even the Zulus figured out the benefits of outflanking. And in what parallel universe do people use wounded soldiers on the front line? Even the Germans in WW2 only filled medical battaliions with people that could still walk.

No matter how much evidence is thrown at you people, you refuse to believe it. Well ok, then dont. Maybe when the casualty list is printed at the end of this fiasco you will belatedly accept it.

[Roman Alymov]

Drone video of another M1 Abrams abandoned in Kursk region https://t.me/boris_rozhin/152248

[MiGG0]

But the point is that (and show in examples in link I posted) that they are not "throwing endless bodies at a position to absorb enemy fire". They are using proper light infantry tactics and it attack fails they try somewhere else (or try somewhat differently if attack was close to success). And RUS are outlanfking when ever they can (IE look map and how attacks have formed in Donbass -> pincer attacks all along)

High casualties are expected as light infanrty really dont have much of cover in attacks. Command just calculates risk/reward and if they have engough of forces they will attacks regardless of high casualties.

 

Edited January 23 by MiGG0

[seahawk]

And as they constantly advancing the tactics seem to work.

[Roman Alymov]

52 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yes, real life infantry attacks I know a very little about thanks. I dont think throwing endless bodies at a position to absorb enemy fire warrants as real light infantry tactics,

Let's put it straight: You claimed "Russian meatwaves"  - i have pointed out this practice simply do not exist. Practice that exist is called "meat attacks" or "meat assaults" but it is completely different from "waves" as "meat assaults" is the practice of tiny groups of infantrymen (sometimes even individual soldiers) sent to cross "dead zone" (going from one small cover to another, hiding from always present drones) and to capture this or that position (usually not guarded at all or guarded by equally tiny group of enemy soldiers, equally tired by endless drones attacks, lack of food, no way to keep warm in freezing temperature etc.) It is the practice to MINIMIZE losses while achieving at least SOME progress. Do you see the difference? 

52 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And in what parallel universe do people use wounded soldiers on the front line? Even the Germans in WW2 only filled medical battaliions with people that could still walk.

Germans in WWII were fighting the war with mobilisation and all things associated. Russian Army is fighting the war the very existance of wich is officially ignored (if not denied), against opponent about 2 times more numerous.  No surprise wounded (and even disabled) soldiers are sent back before proper recovery. Your problem is you do not take your time to do the homework of learning Russian or at least reading my post - othervice you would know the famous Yakut man who was caught on camera during now-famous knifefight was by that time disabled, and that he was sent to take the position in meatwave of two men

  From my message www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/47806-war-in-ukraine-technical-and-military-aspects-only/page/420/#comment-1790049

" For example, from this interview with the Yakutia guy, you might have had learned that:

1) By the moment he was sent to this mission, he was de-facto disabled, as one of his arms was badly ingured back in spring and he never recovered its function. As result, even despite capturing stock of pro-Ukr weapons in one of the buildings of the village, he was not able to load machinegun he got there, so he met another group of pro-Ukrainains sent to kill him by three AKs he prepared in advance to maintain fire (i would not be surprised if he was also in trouble reloading AKs quickly, but he is not saying this directly). 

2) Despite of being "experienced soldier" to the moment of this battle, he was not aware how to use captured Smerch thermobaric RPG, so not even tried despite of havinc captured them - instead, he used old good RPG (luckily, it was enough as pro-Ukrainians arrived on single armored vehicle, probably MRAP).

3) The building he and his friend were sent to raise flag on, turned out "enemy HQ" - pro-Russian command was not aware of that, as result they were sent de-facto to death trap. His friend was killed immidiately near this HQ, and "Yakut" escaped alive by chance

    And so on, each part of this story is far more telling (while still factual) then typical "Anton Geraschenko-type" stories pro-Western cheer team regularly dug up from X."

Edited January 23 by Roman Alymov

[Daan]

Footage of Russian troops shooting a number of Ukrainian prisoners:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1882348267000004667

[mkenny]

42 minutes ago, Daan said:

Footage of Russian troops shooting a number of Ukrainian prisoners:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1882348267000004667

The claim there is no film of Ukrainians shooting prisoners is  false. The earliest film I know  (from both sides) of these type of killing is of  3 'surrounded' Russians who were persuaded to give up and as soon as they stepped out of a building they were shot. 

[seahawk]

Yes and it was one of the first war crimes documented in the war.

[Mighty_Zuk]

Executing POWs is almost always a very stupid thing to do.