Kiev Is Burning

[Roman Alymov]

FPV drone vs. Leopard-2 in snow https://t.me/boris_rozhin/143769

Fiberoptic-controlled FPV vs. M1 Abrams, Kursk region https://t.me/ZOV_Voevoda/23144

[urbanoid]

The solution is obviously... Gunther.

 

[Roman Alymov]

17 hours ago, urbanoid said:

1. Funny how you're only mentioning part of those murdered in the NKVD operation, ignoring the previous paragraph from the very same RU wiki page you posted the autotranslation from.

I took the only part containing numeric data on ethnic background of the people prosecuted. As for me, this data proves this "Polish operation" was not some sort of ethnic clensing, but chaotic actions by incompetent bureoucracy. Note it is actually making situation more problematic for potential victims: while in Nazi Germany ethnic German, not involved in some sort of resistance (not to mention Nazi party members) was almost 100% from trouble, in Stalin's USSR being ethnic Russian was not guarantee at all, and being loyal Communist Party member was only increasing the chances of trouble.

17 hours ago, urbanoid said:

2. This is another matter altogether and a prospect you're talking about was never realistic. I don't think that an offer to the king to have his son (if he decided to become orthodox) become a tsar would lead to anything else than his son being murdered, given how things were "out there in the East".

That is too simplistic take, while i ment another idea: Had the Poland had more reliable political system with more centralized power (sort of stronger monarchy), not "nobiles republis" with every nobleman being de-facto absolute monarch in his own lands (with, sometimes, terrible results for his peasants) and waging war against other noblemaen when feel the desire or need to, and more tolerant to other ethnic/religeous groups - it will create much stronger country (and military force), and, taking into consideration even chaotic Poland was able to almost prevail in competition against Moscow Kingdom (that got own problems), the whole course of history might have gone another way. But what happened happened - so Poland lost, but mankind got Stanisław Lem as result.....

[glenn239]

6 hours ago, Pavel Novak said:

It would still be dependent on France and throug it on Britain. The USSR was not willing to go against Germany for Czechoslovakia without France and France was not willing to do anything without Britain who wanted peace at any cost.

Possibly, but if the Poles and Soviets had been in unison that might have had an effect on the West as well - a harder line on any concessions. 

[Roman Alymov]

Just now, glenn239 said:

Possibly, but if the Poles and Soviets had been in unison that might have had an effect on the West as well - a harder line on any concessions. 

If the Poles and Soviets had been in unison, it could well be seen by West as potential danger, with all consequences attached.

[Roman Alymov]

Captured Couguar H (?) MRAP, Kursk region https://t.me/milinfolive/134759

[Roman Alymov]

Video of menhunters tryed to storm city bus somewhere in pro-Ukr-controlled territory to mobilized male passangers, but where kicked out by female passangers.

Exchanges are remarkable: 

Recruiter: "You are waiting for Russian world!"

Females: "Get out, you f* defender!"

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/143845

In this video, menhunters were more successful and have dragged one future M1 Abrams crew member out of the bus https://t.me/boris_rozhin/143837

 

 

[Stefan Kotsch]

2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Video of menhunters ...

The military police around the world don't throw cotton balls. And especially not the Russian ones.

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21 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

The military police around the world don't throw cotton balls. And especially not the Russian ones.

This is shocking, I reckon, to Russian viewers is that the traditional way to be mobilised is that you get a letter from the Defence Ministry and you have to show up at the appointed time. If you do, or if you don't, the consequences and violence* all happen at the barracks or in prison, not in full view of the public.

 

* Of course, officially, there isn't supposed to be any violence at all.

[Stefan Kotsch]

5 minutes ago, ink said:

you have to show up at the appointed time

Good, agreed. Russia currently has no mobilization.

But conscription is regular. New recruits only recently joined the army. What if the man isn't on time? How did the man get into the barracks?

[Roman Alymov]

3 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

The military police around the world don't throw cotton balls. And especially not the Russian ones.

Your problem is your commenting on things you do not understand at all (and not reading the explanations). Let me repeat my old post for you ( www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/38893-kiev-is-burning/page/3782/#comment-1775885 )

"Nice to see you note the law - as by law in UKraine (and in Russia, by the way, as legal system is still mostly inhereted from USSR) it is absolutely illegal for military personnel to conduct any street raids, not to mention ubducting people from the street. Legal precidure is to sent/give the person written notice about time and place the person is to turn up for medical examination etc. If he fails to turn up (like stand up comedian Zelensky did at least 4 times) - administrative and then criminal case is opened against him, resulting in fine or even prison case. But noi way for man to be "recruited" by pushing into minibus on the street."

    Note the people in uniforms on this videos are not "Military police", but recruitmen office personnel, who normally supposed to be clerks busy with paperwork, not street menhunt. More over, even Military Police got no right to do anything with civilians on civilian territory  - only to oersonnel allready enlisted (and they know this - so typically they have one or two policemen in their group), so now not only Ukr Army is feared (and hated), but also Police. Some prominent pro-Ukr commenters like Arestivich have publicly pointed out that it was UkrArmy command gross mistake to get involved in mobilization process (legally, it is the business of civilian officials) - but, according to Arestovich, military commanders were unable to resist the temptation to channel into own pockets some of "ransom" money paid by people caught. As result, the image of UkrArmy is ruined, as now from 4 to 6 mlm men in Ukraine are hiding from mobilization.

    Re your question about "How did the man get into the barracks?" - the simple answer in Russian condition is "He will not get into barracks, but will be reported to as absent without order,  arrested by regular police amd, after due trail, sent to prison or special correction/punishment unit - not to the unit he have fled from. On practice in peacetime, when young conscript gone missing, it was common practice to unoficially sent one of unit's officers to search for him, usually at his parent's place, to convince the guy to come back (as it will both save the guy from having criminal record and unit from having "incident" in reporting).  As most common reason for such events was some sort of problems with girlfriend etc., it was more or less working.

[Markus Becker]

"Donald Trump called Putin and told him "not to escalate the war in Ukraine" - Washington Post.

According to the media, the conversation took place on November 7. Trump also reminded Putin of Washington’s sizable military presence in Europe and expressed an interest in follow-up conversations to discuss “the resolution of Ukraine’s war soon.”

 

Translation: I have more important things to do and do not appreciate any distraction?

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

And last night, Putin escalates by firing lots of cruise missiles at Ukraine, resulting in power cuts.

Hmm, its almost like he is sending a message, isnt it?

[Stefan Kotsch]

10 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

14 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

The military police around the world don't throw cotton balls. And especially not the Russian ones.

Your problem is your commenting on things you do not understand at all

The starting point was your attempt to show us Ukraine as a violent Nazi state whose police harass the unfortunate Ukrainians. I only explained that the police in no country in the world throw cotton balls.

Roman, if you now want to sell us Russia's police as a haven of philanthropy and friendliness, then we are entering the realms of ridicule. And you know that very well yourself. I will refrain from giving examples. Because the number of negative examples is simply overwhelming.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Its almost as if Russia has never done exactly the same thing.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/19/russia-rounding-up-recruits-amid-mobilisation-drive

Marcel and his friends had travelled about 900km (560 miles) from the Volga Region to the Russian capital for short-term work.

But at around midnight last Thursday, they were awoken by police officers at their Moscow hostel.

“They asked to check our documents – there were lads from Central Asia staying there, as well, so we thought it was an immigration raid and handed over our passports,” said Marcel, a 29-year-old from the Bashkir minority group.

“We were told to get dressed, since it was cold outside. We stepped out to the corridor where the recruitment officers were already issuing papers, one for each passport. They told us we’re all going to the enlistment office. Only one of us signed, the rest refused because we know our rights. But they said we all have to go to the office anyway, just to check if anyone’s an evader,” he told Al Jazeera, now back at home in Bashkortostan.

“Once we got there, four of us were taken aside and told, ‘That’s it, now, you’re mobilised.’”

Marcel, who asked to be identified only by his first name, provided Al Jazeera with his complaint letter and footage filmed on his phone of the night in question, as evidence of his experience.

“Our passports were confiscated, supposedly for checks. Later, we went back to the hostel for our things, the four of us accompanied by four policemen – under guard, you could say – and back to the draft office.”

A few young men whose criminal records made them ineligible for duty were released, as other would-be draftees arrived from another hostel.

While the overall experience felt hostile, the policemen who transported them were sympathetic and advised them to contact their lawyers, Marcel said.

“We were held there for a day. During that time they only fed us twice, and we had to sleep on the chairs in the main hall while the policemen were sitting downstairs, not letting anyone leave.

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“They were pressing us really hard, telling us we’d be arrested if we refused and then mobilised anyway. [On Saturday morning,] we were released because we refused to sign anything and started to write formal complaints to the prosecutor’s office. Of the 12 of us there, seven were taken away to be mobilised.”

[Stefan Kotsch]

Ok, while we're at it. All Russian sources.

 

“Feel unwell”, “lost consciousness and died”, “did not wake up”, “fell and hit his head” - people are constantly dying in Russian police stations, detention centers and police cars, and in 2023 the number of such sudden ones is increasing Deaths The number of deaths has more than doubled.

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/02/01/arest-v-odin-konets

or

In Russian practice, it often happens that police officers use force during arrests - to intimidate, then obtain confessions and vent their anger.

https://advokat-nikonov.ru/press-tsentr/policejskoe-nasilie-pri-zaderzhanii-i-ispolzovanie-pokazanij-dannyh-pod-pytkami-podhod-espch-v-postanovlenii-kishkarev-i-drugie-protiv-rossii/

or

Police violence in our country has a different specificity - people are more often beaten during arrests and tortured in police stations and colonies.

Security forces may beat or insult the detainee, block his breathing with a plastic bag, tie him up and beat him. In this way, they try, among other things, to intimidate suspects and extort confessions from them.

Most of these cases go unpunished.

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/06/08/zabralo-otpustilo

...

and so on.

___

[This argument comes right away: “Voice of America” asks the Armenian radio: “What is the salary of a Soviet engineer?”, to which the Armenian radio, after a three-day pause, replies: “And you have blacks lynched.”

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/А_у_вас_негров_линчуют ]

Edited November 11, 2024 by Stefan Kotsch

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Ok, while we're at it. All Russian sources.

 

“Feel unwell”, “lost consciousness and died”, “did not wake up”, “fell and hit his head” - people are constantly dying in Russian police stations, detention centers and police cars, and in 2023 the number of such sudden ones is increasing Deaths The number of deaths has more than doubled.

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/02/01/arest-v-odin-konets

or

In Russian practice, it often happens that police officers use force during arrests - to intimidate, then obtain confessions and vent their anger.

https://advokat-nikonov.ru/press-tsentr/policejskoe-nasilie-pri-zaderzhanii-i-ispolzovanie-pokazanij-dannyh-pod-pytkami-podhod-espch-v-postanovlenii-kishkarev-i-drugie-protiv-rossii/

or

Police violence in our country has a different specificity - people are more often beaten during arrests and tortured in police stations and colonies.

Security forces may beat or insult the detainee, block his breathing with a plastic bag, tie him up and beat him. In this way, they try, among other things, to intimidate suspects and extort confessions from them.

Most of these cases go unpunished.

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/06/08/zabralo-otpustilo

...

and so on.

___

[This argument comes right away: “Voice of America” asks the Armenian radio: “What is the salary of a Soviet engineer?”, to which the Armenian radio, after a three-day pause, replies: “And you have blacks lynched.”

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/А_у_вас_негров_линчуют ]

You are listing cases of police violence in Russia - no doubt they do exist and our legal system is far from perfect (as well as in any country and any system created by humans).  But in what way it is linked to UkrArmy military personnel abducting civilians from the streets? See above, even hardline pro-Ukrainians admit it is a problem, what is the point of you denying it?

[Roman Alymov]

2 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

"Donald Trump called Putin and told him "not to escalate the war in Ukraine" - Washington Post.

According to the media, the conversation took place on November 7. Trump also reminded Putin of Washington’s sizable military presence in Europe and expressed an interest in follow-up conversations to discuss “the resolution of Ukraine’s war soon.”

 

Translation: I have more important things to do and do not appreciate any distraction?

 

"November 11, 12:00,
updated November 11, 12:03
Peskov denied reports of a conversation between Putin and Trump
 
The Kremlin representative described the reports of The Washington Post and Reuters as "the most vivid example of the quality of the information that is published, sometimes even in fairly reputable publications"
MOSCOW, November 11. /tass/. Reports from the foreign press about an alleged telephone conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President-elect Donald Trump are false, there was no such conversation. This was stated at a briefing by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

Peskov described the publications of The Washington Post and Reuters, which reported on the alleged conversation, as "the most vivid example of the quality of the information that is now being published, sometimes even in fairly reputable publications." According to the American press, Putin and Trump allegedly discussed the situation in Ukraine and peace on the European continent.

Putin's last telephone conversation with Trump, which is reported on the Kremlin's website, took place in July 2020 (in those months, Trump's first presidential term was coming to an end). Various international issues were on the agenda, including strategic stability. In the following months, there were other contacts - Putin, together with colleagues from the United States and France, issued a joint statement on Nagorno-Karabakh, and also sent a telegram to Trump wishing him a speedy recovery from covid.

In addition, the Russian president congratulated Trump and Biden on the coming year 2021 and Christmas. In the last couple of years, Putin has not sent such congratulations to Western leaders, including the American president. Putin and Trump have repeatedly held high-level meetings. In particular, in July 2018, the Russia-USA summit was held in Helsinki, during which the leaders had a one-on-one conversation and with the participation of delegations.

Bob Woodward, a veteran American journalist and a member of the editorial board of The Washington Post, expressed the opinion that Putin and Trump could communicate even after the expiration of the powers of the 45th president of the United States in January 2021. However, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov denied these assumptions.

Contacts with American leaders
Putin's last telephone conversation with the head of the United States took place on February 12, 2022. He and Joe Biden talked for more than an hour, the main topics were security guarantees for Russia and the situation around Ukraine. There was also talk about bilateral relations between Moscow and Washington.

This summer, Putin also mentioned that Biden had sent him a letter concerning Ukraine. The Russian President replied in writing that in order to stop hostilities, Washington must stop supplying weapons to Kiev, and the conflict will end "within two, maximum three months." Putin did not specify the date of the exchange of letters, but judging by the context, we are talking about the time of conducting his own." ( Песков опроверг сообщения о разговоре Путина и Трампа )

[Roman Alymov]

   Video of captured Bradley IFV in RusArmy service (crew is happy about protection and roomy hull, but complain about rubber pads not providing enough traction in mud, and says 30mm Siviet gun is better then 20mm Bushmaster) https://t.me/milinfolive/134824?single

Another  captured Bradley and Kirpi MRAP in Kursk region https://t.me/epoddubny/21577

[Roman Alymov]

2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And last night, Putin escalates by firing lots of cruise missiles at Ukraine, resulting in power cuts.

Hmm, its almost like he is sending a message, isnt it?

Did him? As i see from pro-Ukr regional channels, air alert about bombers in the air was called off without reports about missile hits, and swithing off electric networkd BEFORE striles is common practice in Ukraine (as it allows to limit the damage - pro-Ukr experts are proud about this invention). Also, pro-Ukr air defence report no single cruise missile shot down today ( https://t.me/info_zp/85798 ) - contrary to usual practice of "all were shot down" in case of big attack. 

    Not clear what it was - fake reports about bombers. show of force or just bobmers lifted from Engels AB as prevention measure agaist pro-Ukr drones attack (that is reported by pro-Ukrainians https://t.me/info_zp/85808 )

[Stefan Kotsch]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

You are listing cases of police violence in Russia - no doubt they do exist and our legal system is far from perfect (as well as in any country and any system created by humans).

Maybe you really don't know. Or feel differently. The Russian legal system works extremely far from any system created by humans.

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

... military personnel abducting civilians from the streets? ...

Anyone who avoids military service will be taken into the army. Men are not kidnapped here at random.

[Roman Alymov]

16 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Maybe you really don't know. Or feel differently. The Russian legal system works extremely far from any system created by humans.

    Let me assure you i am well aware about imperfections of Russian system (as i have said many times, this system was deliberately created this way by pro-Western comprador colonial administration and is disliked, if not hated, by most people here - including law enforcement officers themselves). I am not so familiar with the system of other countries so can't debate your claim about " Russian legal system works extremely far from any system created by humans" (as it will require knowlege of all systems).

20 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Anyone who avoids military service will be taken into the army. Men are not kidnapped here at random.

     I'm affraid you are deeply traumatized by your experience with your local version of Komsomol - as even in late USSR finding somebody to be "avoiding military service" was result of due legal process, not beating on the street.  By the way note significant part of people you see beaten on the street and dragged into minibuses are later released after paying due ransom to recruitment officials. 

[Roman Alymov]

Illustration on why it was bad idea for pro-Ukrainians to launch long-range drones deep inside Russia on weekend amid hunting season https://t.me/Mestb_Dobroj_Voli/13361

[mandeb48]

lostarmour montly report uk loses:

https://t.me/lost_armour/3778

[Roman Alymov]

Fiberoptic-controlled FPVs vs. T-64, Kursk region. https://t.me/anna_news/72833