Roman Alymov Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 X-35 missile (from Su-34) vs. P-18 radar, Dnepropetrovsk region https://t.me/boris_rozhin/130398 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 What a surprise: Russia was pumping oil into Europe (and also into Ukraine, as there is no way to check where the oil goies) effectively sponsoring enemy not only by money, but by valuable comodities. Not surprising oil refinaries in Ukraine are working and there is no shortage of fuel in Kiev-controlled territory Yandex-translation from В Венгрии сообщили о блокировке транзита российского газа Украиной - Российская газета (rg.ru) "Hungary reported on blocking the transit of Russian gas by Ukraine Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said that Ukraine had blocked the transit of Russian oil to Hungary via the Druzhba oil pipeline. This is reported by Bloomberg. According to the minister, the Hungarian energy company Mol and the Russian Lukoil are currently jointly looking for a legally acceptable solution to resume supplies. In Kiev, the blocking of Russian oil supplies to Hungary was not confirmed. Szijjarto stressed that such a threat contradicts Hungary's independence. "If someone calls for the impossibility of energy supply to Hungary, he is actually attacking its sovereignty," the minister said. Hungary has stepped up energy ties with Russia by signing several agreements to increase natural gas supplies after Prime Minister Viktor Orban secured an exemption from European Union energy sanctions." No doubt pro-Ukrainians will gain some extra concessions and the business will be restarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Back to "No Nazis in Ukraine" Advert in Lvov: "They <fought> yesterday, now you <will>. 80 years of battle for Brody.* Update your conscription account" *On July 22 of 1944, under the Brody forces of the 1-th Ukrainian Front, the SS Galicia division was defeated (topwar.ru) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 4 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: What a surprise: Russia was pumping oil into Europe (and also into Ukraine, as there is no way to check where the oil goies) effectively sponsoring enemy not only by money, but by valuable comodities. Not surprising oil refinaries in Ukraine are working and there is no shortage of fuel in Kiev-controlled territory Yandex-translation from В Венгрии сообщили о блокировке транзита российского газа Украиной - Российская газета (rg.ru) "Hungary reported on blocking the transit of Russian gas by Ukraine Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said that Ukraine had blocked the transit of Russian oil to Hungary via the Druzhba oil pipeline. This is reported by Bloomberg. According to the minister, the Hungarian energy company Mol and the Russian Lukoil are currently jointly looking for a legally acceptable solution to resume supplies. In Kiev, the blocking of Russian oil supplies to Hungary was not confirmed. Szijjarto stressed that such a threat contradicts Hungary's independence. "If someone calls for the impossibility of energy supply to Hungary, he is actually attacking its sovereignty," the minister said. Hungary has stepped up energy ties with Russia by signing several agreements to increase natural gas supplies after Prime Minister Viktor Orban secured an exemption from European Union energy sanctions." No doubt pro-Ukrainians will gain some extra concessions and the business will be restarted. And the west is still pumping chips into Russian missiles for the same reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 6 minutes ago, Josh said: And the west is still pumping chips into Russian missiles for the same reasons. This is wrong analogy: nobody in Russia is arrested or punished other way for decades of pouring Russian resources to West (and not surprising this practice is continued, despite Russian oil is fueling war machines used to kill Russians) while for Western citizens selling electronic components to Russia is crime German sentenced for selling electronics to Russia for military use | Reuters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 10 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: This is wrong analogy: nobody in Russia is arrested or punished other way for decades of pouring Russian resources to West (and not surprising this practice is continued, despite Russian oil is fueling war machines used to kill Russians) while for Western citizens selling electronic components to Russia is crime German sentenced for selling electronics to Russia for military use | Reuters It only became a crime two years ago, and much like Russian oil, western tech follows the money, not the borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 25 minutes ago, Josh said: It only became a crime two years ago, and much like Russian oil, western tech follows the money, not the borders. But it’s not like Western companies are directly selling chips to Russian companies. Russia is only able to obtain necessary tech through third party resellers. Russian oil on the other hand goes directly through Ukraine (which Russia is at war) and then into Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 39 minutes ago, Josh said: It only became a crime two years ago, and much like Russian oil, western tech follows the money, not the borders. As far as i remember, there was plenty of sanctions prior to that. But anyway, leaving this aside, Russia is trading with (or, since money are not coming back, donating to) West, while West is not - and even punishing own citizens for attampts to do it privately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 JDAMsky vs. small column in Kharkov region https://t.me/anna_news/68680 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 7 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said: But it’s not like Western companies are directly selling chips to Russian companies. Russia is only able to obtain necessary tech through third party resellers. Russian oil on the other hand goes directly through Ukraine (which Russia is at war) and then into Europe. Fair enough, but that’s because Russia still wants money and Europe still wants oil. The oil trades in Syria used to involve the government, Kurds, ISIS, and Turks/Turk proxies, despite the fact almost every party was at war with every other. Mid East gonna Mid East, as one of friends used to say. Also I know Russian gas travels through Ukraine pipelines (and I have to agree with Roman that the situation seems rather insane on the face of it); does Russian oil as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandeb48 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Yes, by the druzhba pipeline that crosses ukraine. I cannot imagine the United States delivering oil and gas to Japan in 1943. It is a shame that certain businesses are above the war effort. I don't understand how no one on the front "unintentionally" destroys this shame with a couple of cannon shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 For the same reason Ukraine didnt blow up Nordstream. They depend upon the Europeans, and they are not going to kick them in the nuts, no matter how ridiculous it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 6 hours ago, mandeb48 said: Yes, by the druzhba pipeline that crosses ukraine. I cannot imagine the United States delivering oil and gas to Japan in 1943. It is a shame that certain businesses are above the war effort. I don't understand how no one on the front "unintentionally" destroys this shame with a couple of cannon shots. Russia needs to go to a total war footing, but the Elites want to surrender so that they can go back to their holiday homes on the Cote d'Azur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandeb48 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 4 hours ago, seahawk said: Russia needs to go to a total war footing, but the Elites want to surrender so that they can go back to their holiday homes on the Cote d'Azur. Yes, I agree with that.. But what surprises me is that the people below, those who risk their lives on the front, do not "unintentionally" correct this abomination, so difficult is it for a pipeline to be damaged in the chaos of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 17 minutes ago, mandeb48 said: Yes, I agree with that.. But what surprises me is that the people below, those who risk their lives on the front, do not "unintentionally" correct this abomination, so difficult is it for a pipeline to be damaged in the chaos of war. Well, Russia is based on two contradictory traditions - tradition of discipline and tradition of riot/self reliance. Now discipline tradition is more or less prevailing on grassroots level (but some abominations are corrected by people on the ground, for example after foreign mercenaries and Azov Nazis were set free by dirty deal in exchange for Putin's friend Medvedchuk, and, more over, flown abroad on Abramovich private jet with brand new iPhones as gifts from Abramovich - by strange coincidence they are no more making their way to captivity alive). So can't rule out somebody on the ground will drop, by pure accident, HE shell on pipeline..... Edited July 19 by Roman Alymov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 14 hours ago, Josh said: Fair enough, but that’s because Russia still wants money and Europe still wants oil. It is widely believed here in pro-Rus circles that Russia (i mean Russian state) is not paid for this oil shipments, in best case money are staying frozen on bank accounts. Effectively, it is political bribe from "appeasement of the West" party to South Europe politicians in exchange, as they hope, promotion of better surrender conditions. By the way it is interesting that pro-Ukrainians have only stopped oil transit for one oil company, while two others are continuing with their oil business... "Following Hungary, (https://t.me/olegtsarov/13978 Slovakia also stopped receiving Russian oil from Lukoil via the Druzhba pipeline. One of the solutions for these EU countries may be an agreement between other Russian companies, Tatneft and Rosneft. Theoretically, they could supply Lukoil volumes — Ukraine has not yet banned their transit. I think the bans are Ukraine's pressure on Russia in order to once again increase the cost of oil transit. After recent increases, the cost of oil supplied through the pipeline has equaled the cost of oil supplied by sea. Apparently, Ukraine now wants oil delivered in transit through Ukraine to be even more expensive, and the transit fee is even higher." ( https://t.me/olegtsarov/14013 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_goat Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 As for the pipeline, american intelligence discovered that ukraine actually wanted to blow up Druzhba, to punish "pro russian" (actually pro ukrainian, but not pro ukr enough) Hungary. And this is NOT coming from pro-government media: https://index.hu/kulfold/2023/05/14/haboru-orosz-ukran-konfliktus-volodimir-zelenszkij-orban-viktor-baratsag-koolajvezetek-robbantas/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 minutes ago, old_goat said: As for the pipeline, american intelligence discovered that ukraine actually wanted to blow up Druzhba, to punish "pro russian" (actually pro ukrainian, but not pro ukr enough) Hungary. And this is NOT coming from pro-government media: https://index.hu/kulfold/2023/05/14/haboru-orosz-ukran-konfliktus-volodimir-zelenszkij-orban-viktor-baratsag-koolajvezetek-robbantas/ They do not need to blow it - just turn few taps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 28 minutes ago, old_goat said: And this is NOT coming from pro-government media: Index.hu: 2023 februárjában stratégiai együttműködést kötött a kormánypárti lapokat összefogó Mediaworks Hungary és az Index anyavállalata, az Index részvényeit tulajdonló Indamedia csoport. In February 2023, Mediaworks Hungary, which brings together pro-government newspapers, and Index's parent company, Indamedia Group, which owns Index's shares, entered into a strategic partnership. https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index.hu Well, however you can interpret that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_goat Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 11 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said: Well, however you can interpret that. Index is still full of leftists. Also, pro-govt propaganda sites never use expressions like "orbán's industry". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: For the same reason Ukraine didnt blow up Nordstream. They depend upon the Europeans, and they are not going to kick them in the nuts, no matter how ridiculous it is. Except even the West thinks this was Ukraine, so… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 This west doesnt, and there has never been a convincing explanation why they would. And whats more, Ive yet to see a single shred of evidence that they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Can’t blame them. Their maps have always been slightly outdated. Failed onslaught towards Kiev was reflective of that 😂 Edited July 20 by crazyinsane105 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 10 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: This should be enough for Europe to see that more support for the separatists in Russia will only lead to Europe's destruction. The aggression towards Russia has to end, now. American troops have to leave Europe, NATO must be disbanded, European nations need to disarm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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