Kiev Is Burning

[Roman Alymov]

12 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Pity you didnt tell the Tsar that then, seeing as he played a role in the Okhrana writin the protocols of Zion, and helped staged a show trial trying to frame an innocent jew for the murder of a child. Because Blood libel or something.

Please excuse me for advising you (again) to retain from using Russian words in your writing - at least untill you kindly would take your time to familiarise yourself with their meaning.  Let me for directing you to my old post explaining the difference between "Okhrana" and "OkhranKa"

12 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Ive a book, written with the assistance of the Soviet Army in 1990 (Foreworded by Dimitri Yazov before you accuse it of bia) and the English journalist that wrote it interviewed some Soviet conscripts. They freely admitted they were anti semitic, but said if anyone did anything like Hitler did again, they would go in and stop it. Face it, the reason why Soviet Jews were fighting to get out the USSR (Including one spectacular case where they planned to hijack a plane) is because they knew full well they were second class citizens, and there was no change there from the time of the Tsar. After all, look at the 'Jewish Doctor Plot'. Things went downhill from there.

   First, let me again point out you are trying to avoid acknowleging the simple fact Jews (at least Russian Jews) are not separatye rase. 

   Second, for historic reasons in USSR Russian/Soviet Jews were de-facto PRIVILEGED minority  -not because of some formal "positive discrimination" but for historic reasons of both how Russian Jews were created as subgroup of society and by their traditional overrepresentation  in "upper class" of Soviet Russia/USSR. Because of this favorable position in society, they were subject of sort of class hate (in modest forms), but not vice versa. 

   By the way since you mentioned 'Jewish Doctor Plot'  - you must admit the most underpriveleged social group in Stalin's USSR were high-ranked Communist Party members from Georgia, since as far as i remember they have lost the highers % of members to "Great Terror".

[Roman Alymov]

Probably some Members still remember Arkady Babcheno, the guy who was the subject of outburst of collective grief by pro-Ukr side on This Great forum following his murder (that later turned out to be fake staged by SBU)

Let's see what this dead man walking have to say about Trump sassacination attempt 

"Well, that is, he is now both the American Nelson Mandela, in the eyes of ordinary Redneck, persecuted for his beliefs in upholding white rights, and the surviving John F. Kennedy at the same time. Twice the winner. 
Now he is guaranteed to become president. He won the election today. 
And with his crazy mind, which has definitely flown away on the basis of its greatness and God-chosen, he will give the whole world a shit. 
Teachers from Tennessee-or wherever that guy was from-learn to shoot properly. 
Good morning.
We're f*ed. 
Your grandfather." ( https://t.me/babchenko77/10169 )

 

 

[Roman Alymov]

And from another expert....

[Roman Alymov]

Iskander (drone-directed) vs. military train on railway station West from Kharkov

https://t.me/creamy_caprice/6070

Indonesian cut 

 

Note pro-Ukrainians have not only ZiL-131 trucls on platforms (plus some Marder IFVs?) but also regular school bus.....

[Perun]

The latest UN median forecast for Ukraine's population by 2100 is for it to more than halve from its pre-war level of 45mn to to a mere 15.3mn, according to UN's 2024 Revision of World Population Prospects.

According to the UN there were about 37mn people in Ukraine at the beginning of this year, but by 2100, the country's population will be reduced to 15.3mn people.

https://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-s-population-will-crash-to-a-mere-15mn-people-by-2100-un-333727/

[Roman Alymov]

3 minutes ago, Perun said:

The latest UN median forecast for Ukraine's population by 2100 is for it to more than halve from its pre-war level of 45mn to to a mere 15.3mn, according to UN's 2024 Revision of World Population Prospects.

According to the UN there were about 37mn people in Ukraine at the beginning of this year, but by 2100, the country's population will be reduced to 15.3mn people.

https://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-s-population-will-crash-to-a-mere-15mn-people-by-2100-un-333727/

Real "pre-War level" (before 2022) was about 36 mln, current level is about 20-25 mln (nobody knows for sure, as there were no census in decades).

[Roman Alymov]

"Chemical" artillery shells used by pro-Ukrainians against pro-Rus artillery positions , believed to be CS gas

"Today, a chemical substance of unknown origin was used by enemy artillery at the position of the cannon.

Air bursts followed by the precipitation of flasks with evaporation of the eucalyptus odor substance. 

9 people were hospitalized, severe vomiting and dizziness. They are now in the hospital under observation.

It's chemistry, I inhaled, I was stunned right away. Severe headaches, dizziness, continuous vomiting."

Video of airbursts and images of subelements on the ground https://t.me/dva_majors/47312

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Please excuse me for advising you (again) to retain from using Russian words in your writing - at least untill you kindly would take your time to familiarise yourself with their meaning.  Let me for directing you to my old post explaining the difference between "Okhrana" and "OkhranKa"

   First, let me again point out you are trying to avoid acknowleging the simple fact Jews (at least Russian Jews) are not separatye rase. 

   Second, for historic reasons in USSR Russian/Soviet Jews were de-facto PRIVILEGED minority  -not because of some formal "positive discrimination" but for historic reasons of both how Russian Jews were created as subgroup of society and by their traditional overrepresentation  in "upper class" of Soviet Russia/USSR. Because of this favorable position in society, they were subject of sort of class hate (in modest forms), but not vice versa. 

   By the way since you mentioned 'Jewish Doctor Plot'  - you must admit the most underpriveleged social group in Stalin's USSR were high-ranked Communist Party members from Georgia, since as far as i remember they have lost the highers % of members to "Great Terror".

May I point out that it was your countrymen, not least your national leaders, that clearly believed that as a fact. And the jews that went to Israel clearly acknowledged that fact and moved on. You can keep rearranging the deckchairs as much as you like Roman, this liner has already sunk.

So you are saying they were not a seperate race, but a priviledged minority. You see the problem here, right? You are acknowledging they are seperate, whilst trying desperately to say they were the same as everyone else. Which you know, they clearly were not.

You can define them as a race, an ethnic group, a special interest religion or just a plain minority. But the terminology obscures the fact that yes, they were mistreated in the Russian Empire, and mistreated in the Soviet Empire too. Perhaps they are still too. I daresay there are too few left to get anyone really riled up these days, I dont know.

Yeah, well he probably figured only another Georgian would be tough enough to displace him. I daresay you saw much the same mindset among high ranking Ukrainians in the Politburo.

 

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

May I point out that it was your countrymen, not least your national leaders, that clearly believed that as a fact. And the jews that went to Israel clearly acknowledged that fact and moved on. You can keep rearranging the deckchairs as much as you like Roman, this liner has already sunk.

So you are saying they were not a seperate race, but a priviledged minority. You see the problem here, right? You are acknowledging they are seperate, whilst trying desperately to say they were the same as everyone else. Which you know, they clearly were not.

You can define them as a race, an ethnic group, a special interest religion or just a plain minority. But the terminology obscures the fact that yes, they were mistreated in the Russian Empire, and mistreated in the Soviet Empire too. Perhaps they are still too. I daresay there are too few left to get anyone really riled up these days, I dont know.

Yeah, well he probably figured only another Georgian would be tough enough to displace him. I daresay you saw much the same mindset among high ranking Ukrainians in the Politburo.

 

Plenty of Georgians might have known uncomfortable facts about his past. Or Beria's.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah, thats certainly true. Stalin never did like leaving unfinished details.

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

Plenty of Georgians might have known uncomfortable facts about his past. Or Beria's.

Actually, taking into account how small in terms of numbers revolutionary movement was when Stalin was practicing his activity in Georgia (by the way only became "Stalin" in 1912) there is no way "plenty of Georgians might have known uncomfortable facts about his past" - as this "plenty" of people personally familiar with him  was few dozens at best (entire RSDRP in 1905 was about 25K memvers, mostly acting undercover and not familiar with each other).

    By the way since you have mentioned Beria - "Mengrel's case" is believed to be attempt by Stalin&Co to find compromising materials against Beria who was rising in his power while Stalin was increasingly turning into Biden. 

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

Plenty of Georgians might have known uncomfortable facts about his past. Or Beria's.

P.S. Is there something about this in your local news?

"In the Polish port of Gdansk, they have not been able to put out a fire for a day

The fire broke out on July 14 on the territory of warehouses with plastic products (toys) belonging to the InterRoyal complex. Dozens of fire brigades and a vessel of the Polish Maritime Search and Rescue Service are involved in extinguishing the fire. On the night of July 15, local residents recorded the sounds of detonation from the fire. By morning, the fire area had reached 6.5 thousand square meters. It is significant that tractors and containers in the colors of NATO military equipment are located on the site adjacent to the warehouse (in photo 1).

Earlier, we reported on the opening of a transshipment terminal in the port of Gdansk on May 7 (https://t.me/dva_majors/42159 ) of the BLG AutoTerminal company, designed exclusively for the transshipment of military equipment and cargo. This terminal is located in the immediate vicinity of the burning warehouse (in photo 2). The terminal was created with the active participation of the EU within the framework of the Military Mobility program (https://t.me/dva_majors/41321 )".

NATO is actively using civilian infrastructure (https://t.me/dva_majors/43107 ) to supply military equipment and supplies to Ukraine. At the same time, routes are being tested to determine their suitability for larger-scale movements of the Alliance during the upcoming war with Russia." ( https://t.me/dva_majors/47341 )

[urbanoid]

4 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Actually, taking into account how small in terms of numbers revolutionary movement was when Stalin was practicing his activity in Georgia (by the way only became "Stalin" in 1912) there is no way "plenty of Georgians might have known uncomfortable facts about his past" - as this "plenty" of people personally familiar with him  was few dozens at best (entire RSDRP in 1905 was about 25K memvers, mostly acting undercover and not familiar with each other).

    By the way since you have mentioned Beria - "Mengrel's case" is believed to be attempt by Stalin&Co to find compromising materials against Beria who was rising in his power while Stalin was increasingly turning into Biden. 

Well, the few dozens directly turn into quite a bit more since they had subordinates, people loyal to them etc...

As far as Beria is concerned I meant earlier, when he was on the rise and gained direct access to Stalin (late 30s onwards). A lot about his early activities is unclear and there are some leads that might imply that he wasn't a very good communist himself (or even that he loathed communism).

[urbanoid]

21 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

P.S. Is there something about this in your local news?

"In the Polish port of Gdansk, they have not been able to put out a fire for a day

The fire broke out on July 14 on the territory of warehouses with plastic products (toys) belonging to the InterRoyal complex. Dozens of fire brigades and a vessel of the Polish Maritime Search and Rescue Service are involved in extinguishing the fire. On the night of July 15, local residents recorded the sounds of detonation from the fire. By morning, the fire area had reached 6.5 thousand square meters. It is significant that tractors and containers in the colors of NATO military equipment are located on the site adjacent to the warehouse (in photo 1).

Earlier, we reported on the opening of a transshipment terminal in the port of Gdansk on May 7 (https://t.me/dva_majors/42159 ) of the BLG AutoTerminal company, designed exclusively for the transshipment of military equipment and cargo. This terminal is located in the immediate vicinity of the burning warehouse (in photo 2). The terminal was created with the active participation of the EU within the framework of the Military Mobility program (https://t.me/dva_majors/41321 )".

NATO is actively using civilian infrastructure (https://t.me/dva_majors/43107 ) to supply military equipment and supplies to Ukraine. At the same time, routes are being tested to determine their suitability for larger-scale movements of the Alliance during the upcoming war with Russia." ( https://t.me/dva_majors/47341 )

Quite a bit, the fire started yesterday afternoon and has only been suppressed today.

According to the article I found in some of the warehouses there were  'fuels and engine oils' (in addition to textiles, plastic stuff etc.), which might explain the explosions. The beaches nearby have been closed, there was a call to residents and tourists not to swim in the sea, stay away at least 500 meters the fire and to close the windows.

It's simply too early to tell anything else, I haven't found anything about 'NATO stuff' being mentioned, though the Ministry of Internal Affairs and ABW (Internal Security Agency) got involved and are on the case.

Edited July 15 by urbanoid

[Roman Alymov]

3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

May I point out that it was your countrymen, not least your national leaders, that clearly believed that as a fact.

What fact you mean? For most of this people, the wery word "race" was unknown, and ethnic Jew who convertrd to Orthodox Church was as Orthodox as any other Orthodox.  Russian Empire was based on religeon, not race or nation. By the way "national leaders" were mostly ethnic Germans - but converted to Orthodoxy (and Tsar, de-facto ethnic German himself and relative of British Royal family, was official head of Russian Orthodox Church). Note there is no way to convert into another race by changing religeon......

3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 And the jews that went to Israel clearly acknowledged that fact and moved on.

Back then Israel was Ottoman Empire. Plenty of people have left Russian Empire (and other Empires of that time) looking for better life (for example, entire USA was created by people unhappy with British Empire) - so what, was Mayflower packed with people of another race? Were Irish migrants another race? 

3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So you are saying they were not a seperate race, but a priviledged minority. You see the problem here, right? You are acknowledging they are seperate, whilst trying desperately to say they were the same as everyone else. Which you know, they clearly were not.

  Being separate while being  "the same as everyone else" is not unusual - see graduates of expencive schools with their "old school tie". Being Russian Jewish in late USSR was simmilar to that  - giving priority in some situations ("in 2015, the New Statesman observed, "The power of the old boys' network lives on: privately educated students earn more than those with identical qualifications educated by the state"), while disadvantages in others (imagine grammar school graduate having to shatre some work and living with blue collar workers  - there is a potential of, let's say, tensions).

3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

You can define them as a race, an ethnic group, a special interest religion or just a plain minority. But the terminology obscures the fact that yes, they were mistreated in the Russian Empire, and mistreated in the Soviet Empire too. Perhaps they are still too. I daresay there are too few left to get anyone really riled up these days, I dont know.

Next to every group except nobiles were to some degree mistreated in Russian Empire  (first and foremost, Orthodox Russian peasants were)  - so what? It ended up in Revolution, and Russian Jews took disproportionally active part in it (but still minor part compared to ethnic Russians). No doubt Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich ) was the right person to tell how Russian Jews were mistreated in "Soviet Empire"......

Kaganovich was born in 1893 to Jewish parents[2] in the village of Kabany, Radomyshl uyezd, Kiev Governorate, Russian Empire (today Dibrova, Kyiv Oblast, Ukraine). Although not from a "fanatically observant" family, according to Kaganovich, he spoke Yiddish at home.[3] He was the son of Moisei Benovich Kaganovich (1863–1923) and Genya Iosifovna Dubinskaya (1860–1933). Of the 13 children born to the family, 6 died in infancy. Lazar had four elder brothers, all of whom became members of the Bolshevik party. Several of Lazar's brothers ended up occupying positions of varying significance in the Soviet government. Mikhail Kaganovich (1888–1941) served as People's Commissar of Defence Industry before being appointed Head of the People's Commissariat of the Aviation Industry of the USSR, while Yuli Kaganovich (1892–1962) became the 3rd First Secretary of the Gorky Regional Committee of the CPSU. Israel Kaganovich (1884–1973) was made the head of the Main Directorate for Cattle Harvesting of the Ministry of Meat and Dairy Industry. However, Aron Moiseevich Kaganovich (1888–1960s) apparently decided against following his siblings into government, and did not pursue a career in politics. Lazar also had a sister, Rachel Moiseevna Kaganovich (1883–1926), who married Mordechai Ber Lantzman; they lived together in Chernobyl for a period, but she subsequently died in the 1920s and was interred in Kiev.

[Roman Alymov]

7 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Quite a bit, the fire started yesterday afternoon and has only been suppressed today.

According to the article I found in some of the warehouses there were  'fuels and engine oils' (in addition to textiles, plastic stuff etc.), which might explain the explosions. The beaches nearby have been closed, there was a call to residents and tourists not to swim in the sea, stay away at least 500 meters the fire and to close the windows.

It's simply too early to tell anything else, I haven't found anything about 'NATO stuff' being mentioned, though the Ministry of Internal Affairs and ABW (Internal Security Agency) got involved and are on the case.

Thank you, that's interesting.

[Perun]

 

 

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[old_goat]

Orbán and his "peace mission" is a joke. I really have no idea what he wants to achieve with that. I can only guess, maybe to distract the people from the economic and social decay of the country, against which he doesnt want to do anything.

[Ssnake]

Take your pick:

 

a. for internal political reasons

b. to piss the rest of Europe off

c. to do the bidding for his master Putin

or,

d. all of the above

[old_goat]

46 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

Take your pick:

 

a. for internal political reasons

b. to piss the rest of Europe off

c. to do the bidding for his master Putin

or,

d. all of the above

"C" is idiotic, since he is pro ukrainian. Maybe not to the same extent as other european leaders, but he definitely is. His actions prove it. So most probable answer is "A".

[Roman Alymov]

Lancets vs. M777 in cover and AN/TPQ-64 radar, Kharkov region https://t.me/boris_rozhin/130167?single

[Roman Alymov]

Drone directed artillery vs. BM-21 Grad traced to its hidden location https://t.me/milinfolive/126134

[Roman Alymov]

Pro-Ukr video of drone-directed HIMARS strike on small group of pro-Rus infantry in treecover. So now not only mortars and MG nests are valuable enough to justify HIMARS launch, but foot infantry too

https://t.me/info_zp/73840