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2 minutes ago, sunday said:

To the surprise of a few

 

"A document has surfaced..."

For some reason, my bs radar just went into overdrive.

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On 7/11/2024 at 2:16 AM, sunday said:

Did you tell him of the Lisbon earthquake of 1755?

Should have told him about Portuguese men being shipped out into the Indian Ocean who given the lack of Portuguese women married black ones. 

Around the same time Spanish men did marry Indian women in the Americas. 

Circa 200-300 years before the Empires went into decline. 

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1 hour ago, Markus Becker said:

Around the same time Spanish men did marry Indian women in the Americas. 

That was intended. Besides, major indigenous chieftains were accepted into the Spanish (Castilian) nobility, up to dukedoms:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducado_de_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo#Condes_de_Moctezuma_y_condes_de_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo

No much racism there.

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20 minutes ago, sunday said:

That was intended. Besides, major indigenous chieftains were accepted into the Spanish (Castilian) nobility, up to dukedoms:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducado_de_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo#Condes_de_Moctezuma_y_condes_de_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo

No much racism there.

My point exactly. The modern concept of racism seems to have gained universal popularity well post 1800. 

PS: The Spanish didn't conquer the Aztec and Inca empires against the unified opposition of the natives but with the critical support of native allies. I guess the Portuguese used the same strategy. 

Make alliances, politically and personally. 

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7 minutes ago, sunday said:

That was intended. Besides, major indigenous chieftains were accepted into the Spanish (Castilian) nobility, up to dukedoms:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducado_de_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo#Condes_de_Moctezuma_y_condes_de_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo

No much racism there.

The same way local nobiles of all kinds, from Tatrs to Poles and Baltic Germans, were integrated into upper class of Moscow kingdom and later Russian empire. Seems like idea of racism as we know it was strictly limited to AngloWorld, expecially USA (as Britain itself was relatively quick to overcome at least visible manifestations of it).

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30 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

My point exactly. The modern concept of racism seems to have gained universal popularity well post 1800. 

PS: The Spanish didn't conquer the Aztec and Inca empires against the unified opposition of the natives but with the critical support of native allies. I guess the Portuguese used the same strategy. 

Make alliances, politically and personally. 

Well, conquest of evil empires that were predating on their neighbors was easier. See Mel Gibson's Apocalypto for a very graphic depiction.

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36 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

The same way local nobiles of all kinds, from Tatrs to Poles and Baltic Germans, were integrated into upper class of Moscow kingdom and later Russian empire. Seems like idea of racism as we know it was strictly limited to AngloWorld, expecially USA (as Britain itself was relatively quick to overcome at least visible manifestations of it).

More Protestant than Anglo. The Dutch were quite something in their East Indies. French and Belgian colonies would have followed the English/Dutch example.

I've seen this kind of racism explained as a derivative of the Protestant doctrine about predestination.

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11 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

The same way local nobiles of all kinds, from Tatrs to Poles and Baltic Germans, were integrated into upper class of Moscow kingdom and later Russian empire. Seems like idea of racism as we know it was strictly limited to AngloWorld, expecially USA (as Britain itself was relatively quick to overcome at least visible manifestations of it).

'Pogroms'. Discuss.

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21 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

What race was subject of "Pogroms"?

Oh please, spare me your staged cluelessness. You damn well know who it was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Białystok_pogrom

Who wrote 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'? The Tsars Okhrana.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-ldquo-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion-rdquo

And dont go saying 'Ah that was Ukrainians and  Poles'. You have spent the past 14 years saying there is no difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian, so you can damn well take it on the chin.

'strictly limited to anglosphere'. Dear God, you people are really turning into a third rate North Korea, arent you?

 

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3 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

What race was subject of "Pogroms"?

In his 200 years together, Solzhenitsyn makes some good points about those events. Of course, there are only official translations to French and to German, the later quite bad. None to English.

But I could not see the relation between that and the treatment of indigenous people being incorporated to a modern civilization.

On the other hand, there are figures like Julius Popper

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Julius Popper (December 15, 1857 – June 5, 1893), known in Spanish as Julio Popper (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈxuljo poˈpeɾ]), was a Romanian-born Argentine colonial engineer, adventurer, and explorer.[1] He was known as a modern "conquistador" of Tierra del Fuego in southern South America, and was both a controversial and influential figure. Popper was one of the main perpetrators of the genocide against the native Selk'nam people[citation needed] in the islands,[2][3] and the circumstances surrounding his own death remain a mystery.

 

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13 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Oh please, spare me your staged cluelessness. You damn well know who it was.

I'm affraid it is you here who is displaying "staged cluelessness" since as seasoned expert in Russian affairs you surely know well that Russians and Russian Jews are not only of the same race, but often are hard to tell visially. More over, in Russian Emire the persons were not listedby ethnic background, but only by religeon practiced - so Jew who converted into Orthodox Church was becoming the same grade of Orthodox as regular Russian.

    Probably,"pogroms" are easyer to understand if you compare them to violence between Irish groups in Belfast (but i am not pretending to be an expert in this field).

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Pity you didnt tell the Tsar that then, seeing as he played a role in the Okhrana writin the protocols of Zion, and helped staged a show trial trying to frame an innocent jew for the murder of a child. Because Blood libel or something.

https://www.rbth.com/history/327963-beilis-trial-most-notorious-court

Ive a book, written with the assistance of the Soviet Army in 1990 (Foreworded by Dimitri Yazov before you accuse it of bia) and the English journalist that wrote it interviewed some Soviet conscripts. They freely admitted they were anti semitic, but said if anyone did anything like Hitler did again, they would go in and stop it. Face it, the reason why Soviet Jews were fighting to get out the USSR (Including one spectacular case where they planned to hijack a plane) is because they knew full well they were second class citizens, and there was no change there from the time of the Tsar. After all, look at the 'Jewish Doctor Plot'. Things went downhill from there.

But you know, you carry on trying to rewrite history, and how Russia is safer for the Jews than Israel. The millions that left your land would attest otherwise.

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