Kiev Is Burning

[Roman Alymov]

Just now, X-Files said:

Yeah?  What if those 'foreign personnel' were Americans?

Nothing will happen. 

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17 minutes ago, X-Files said:

 

To date, ORYX has documentation for three.

 

•  3 227mm M142 HIMARS: (1, destroyed) (1, damaged) (2, damaged)
• Attack On Europe: Documenting Ukrainian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Oryx (oryxspioenkop.com)

Not much impressed with Oryx either (except maybe by the sheer volume of output).

[RETAC21]

19 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Nothing will happen. 

The North Vietnamese thought the same...

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4 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

The North Vietnamese thought the same...

...And where are they now?

[Roman Alymov]

1 minute ago, RETAC21 said:

The North Vietnamese thought the same...

As result, North Vietnamese became just "Vietnamese". As one senior pro-Russian, Strelkov's long-time friend and first commander of Saur-Mogila defence, said recently, "Foreign intervention is our only hope. Our elite would flee and leave us to deal with the country".

   But i think the practical outcome of handful of USians (probably 2-3-5 advisors, no need for more in mobile SAM battery) killed would be US Administration covering up the case as the last thing they need now is US President in his current shape and form to have to answer extra questions about that. So "Nothing happened, it is Russian disinformation".

[RETAC21]

11 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

As result, North Vietnamese became just "Vietnamese". As one senior pro-Russian, Strelkov's long-time friend and first commander of Saur-Mogila defence, said recently, "Foreign intervention is our only hope. Our elite would flee and leave us to deal with the country".

   But i think the practical outcome of handful of USians (probably 2-3-5 advisors, no need for more in mobile SAM battery) killed would be US Administration covering up the case as the last thing they need now is US President in his current shape and form to have to answer extra questions about that. So "Nothing happened, it is Russian disinformation".

Well, you have a point there, but One Vietnam was in a worse position than 2 Vietnams in the end.

[Roman Alymov]

35 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

Well, you have a point there, but One Vietnam was in a worse position than 2 Vietnams in the end.

It depends on definition of "worse" or "better".

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38 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

Well, you have a point there, but One Vietnam was in a worse position than 2 Vietnams in the end.

It's not a good comparison because (I assume) that Roman couldn't be happier if Russia was the North Vietnam in your analogy and Ukraine was South Vietnam. And, if that One Vietnam also ends up with a better healthcare system than the US in a few decades time, can we really say it wasn't all worth it 😏

 

[RETAC21]

41 minutes ago, ink said:

It's not a good comparison because (I assume) that Roman couldn't be happier if Russia was the North Vietnam in your analogy and Ukraine was South Vietnam. And, if that One Vietnam also ends up with a better healthcare system than the US in a few decades time, can we really say it wasn't all worth it 😏

 

It would suck, from Roman's point of view, if One Russia ended up being ruled by Ukraine

[Stuart Galbraith]

Kievan Rus, from the Baltic to the Pacific, what a beautiful sight to behold.

 

[seahawk]

3 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Exploded in magical way that left even small branches intact, only fending off the leafs? It is not how explosion in tree branches  works - it will leave only central timber standing, if any.

Or maybe the building was not the building hit, but another building...

[Roman Alymov]

10 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Or maybe the building was not the building hit, but another building...

If you mean the buikding on another side of the street - then no, it was also not hit directly. Yes the window frames are blown inside (typical for modern "plastic" windows that are stronger then old-fashioned wooden ones) but no single big shrapnel hit visible.  Note by the way sandbags around grtoundfloor/basement.

Also note by the way what people take as shrapnel hits on big hospital building is actually not shrapnel but decorative plastic panels broken by blastwave. On this ambulance van, most of marks are some sort of dirt and may be stones, not prefrag elements

And here is the 3-floor building from your photo - also only blastwave damage visible

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50 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

It would suck, from Roman's point of view, if One Russia ended up being ruled by Ukraine

I'm sure but that's not how you framed the initial analogy - i.e. that US involvement would be as bad for Russia as it was for North Vietnam.

I'm just saying, it's a funny example to pick if you wanted to remind us of a US victory.

[Roman Alymov]

57 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

It would suck, from Roman's point of view, if One Russia ended up being ruled by Ukraine

   I wonder in what way could "Russia" be "ruled by Ukraine" since Ukraine is part of Russia, like Siberia? Was USA "ruled by Texas" under Bush family? 

     Interestingly, in old times of internet debates about possible reunification of Ukraine into Russia ( before about 2013 ) it was popular trick used against "Ukrainian patriots" clai,ing to never allow such reunification: Just ask them "What if the capital would be moved to Kiev?" Usually it was enough to stumble them.

[Roman Alymov]

9 minutes ago, ink said:

I'm sure but that's not how you framed the initial analogy - i.e. that US involvement would be as bad for Russia as it was for North Vietnam.

    Well, it is not correct to say that US involvement was good for Vietnam (both North and South, as after all significant part of US warcrimes were commited in South Vietnam against the very people they were pretending to protect). But it clearly was not US victory also.

[sunday]

3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

    Well, it is not correct to say that US involvement was good for Vietnam (both North and South, as after all significant part of US warcrimes were commited in South Vietnam against the very people they were pretending to protect). But it clearly was not US victory also.

War crimes in Vietnam were mostly perpetrated by the Communist side.

[seahawk]

30 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

If you mean the buikding on another side of the street - then no, it was also not hit directly. Yes the window frames are blown inside (typical for modern "plastic" windows that are stronger then old-fashioned wooden ones) but no single big shrapnel hit visible.  Note by the way sandbags around grtoundfloor/basement.

Also note by the way what people take as shrapnel hits on big hospital building is actually not shrapnel but decorative plastic panels broken by blastwave. On this ambulance van, most of marks are some sort of dirt and may be stones, not prefrag elements

And here is the 3-floor building from your photo - also only blastwave damage visible

This looks like a much smaller warhead. Say Patriot.

[Roman Alymov]

Just now, sunday said:

War crimes in Vietnam were mostly perpetrated by the Communist side.

With all my respect, I do not want to be dragged into this discussion - as ~100 mln Vietnamese surely got enough Internet users to say their world if they would like to. No need for me to be saying for them.

[X-Files]

3 hours ago, ink said:

Not much impressed with Oryx either (except maybe by the sheer volume of output).

 

That's nice.

 

How much Real World BDA have you done? 

 

Rhetorical question, because you can pucker up and criticize but can't do a better job of it.  🙄

[X-Files]

4 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Nothing will happen. 

 

Sadly true,  unless a 21st century version of Mark Bowden gets ahold of it.

[sunday]

58 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

With all my respect, I do not want to be dragged into this discussion - as ~100 mln Vietnamese surely got enough Internet users to say their world if they would like to. No need for me to be saying for them.

Let's agree to disagree, without falling in a fallacy ad populum.

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22 minutes ago, X-Files said:

 

That's nice.

 

How much Real World BDA have you done? 

 

Rhetorical question, because you can pucker up and criticize but can't do a better job of it.  🙄

Yeah, that's right, I forgot you can't criticise anything unless you can personally do it.

[Stefan Kotsch]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

100 mln Vietnamese surely got enough Internet users to say their world if they would like to

It should be remembered that Vietnam is a one-party communist-ruled state. That makes you think about what you write on the internet.
It is highly doubtful that the war crimes of the Vietnam War can be researched ALL-ROUND there.
In Russia, hold up a sign with the word WAR in the air... 😉

[X-Files]

17 minutes ago, ink said:

Yeah, that's right, I forgot you can't criticise anything unless you can personally do it.

 

Oh, you *can* all you like  - you just reveal who you really are.

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42 minutes ago, X-Files said:

 

Oh, you *can* all you like  - you just reveal who you really are.

Now, you read a lot of stupid shit on here but this really is too much. I take it you think everything you can't do is just amazing, right? Because that's who you really are!