Stefan Kotsch Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Then we are compliant? Now the Russians just have to say, OK, we made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 On 7/9/2024 at 7:19 PM, Markus Becker said: Fits because it never makes sense. I remember a US poster from ~1900 that showed who's white and who not. Generally western Europeans were considering white unless they were from the very west of Europe. Like Ireland, Spain and Portugal. They were firmly in the not white category. Couple of months ago elderly gentleman lectured to me how Portuguese "lost their whiteness when they began to ship in N*****s, who intermixed with their women, and that's how they stopped being a world power. Now I am not a racist, it's just a fact that happened." Seriously, he said that last bit without slightest tint of irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 9 minutes ago, Yama said: he said that last bit without slightest tint of irony. ...because it's only racist if you hate them more than what's normal. 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, Yama said: Couple of months ago elderly gentleman lectured to me how Portuguese "lost their whiteness when they began to ship in N*****s, who intermixed with their women, and that's how they stopped being a world power. Now I am not a racist, it's just a fact that happened." Seriously, he said that last bit without slightest tint of irony. Did you tell him of the Lisbon earthquake of 1755? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ink Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 10 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said: Then we are compliant? Now the Russians just have to say, OK, we made a mistake. I think we misunderstood one another. What I'm saying is the Russians could have been better by not engaging in foreign wars. When you engage in foreign wars, this kind of thing is, if not inevitable, certainly a huge risk. Anyway, they surely aren't going to admit to their mistake - we haven't seen that kind of magnanimity from them so far, and I don't expect that to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 13 hours ago, ink said: Sadly, everyone who has engaged in these kinds of wars has bombed hospitals. The Russians are, of course, just as bad as everyone else. Bombing a children's hospital is particularly ghastly and no amount of "it was by accident" or "it was a mistake" makes it any better. Israel bombs hospitals in Gaza and gets Western aid for it, so we can really skip the debate and accept that attacking hospitals is a standard procedure today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Can we please stop crossposting. Gaza is Gaza and Ukraine is Ukraine. Try as I might, I cant conflate Ukrainians with Hamas, and I really wish people would stop being bores trying to smash round pegs in square holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 No, we can not, because a rule based international order must follow those rules and must not accept a violation of those rules, regardless of who is breaking the rules. If you decide to act differently, the rules have no more meaning and will be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Fine, then lets argue that in the Gaza thread, and we can argue Ukraine in the Ukraine thread, and Kosovo in the Kosovo thread. I dont think this is much to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) Another photo of the building that was hit by a missile. No visible crater, IMO it confirms a collapse. Photo by Maxym Marusenko (EFE). Edited July 11 by alejandro_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ink Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 minute ago, alejandro_ said: Another photo of the building that was hit by a missile. No visible crater, IMO it confirms a collapse. Photo by Maxym Marusenko (EFE). Interesting but then there must have been a strike reasonably nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Probably another bloody silly sub station strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ink said: Interesting but then there must have been a strike reasonably nearby. That is what we were arguing yesterday, the strike must have taken place nearby, but no crater can be found. Building in front shows more typical blast and shrapnel damage. For comparison, officers' club in Vinnytsia after it was hit with several? cruise missiles. Edited July 11 by alejandro_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, ink said: Interesting but then there must have been a strike reasonably nearby. An airburst would leave no crater at all, or possibly just a very small one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiGG0 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 17 minutes ago, Ssnake said: An airburst would leave no crater at all, or possibly just a very small one. I would except sharpnell marks in roof then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 2 hours ago, ink said: Interesting but then there must have been a strike reasonably nearby. if it hits the building, there would be no crater as the floors collapse, it could have hit the facade, drop down the floors and blow the windows in the building across the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MiGG0 said: I would except sharpnell marks in roof then? Or front wall. There is some, but pretty minor, indicating relatively far off burst. Unless collapsed part caught most of the fragments. I am also not certain if Kh-101 has airburst mode. If it was direct hit (Ukrainians are claiming that they found parts of missile in the ruin) only partial detonation can explain it. Just now, RETAC21 said: if it hits the building, there would be no crater as the floors collapse, it could have hit the facade, drop down the floors and blow the windows in the building across the street. Unless there was partial detonation of warhead (extremely unlikely but not unheard of) 450kg warhead would have leveled way more than just a corner of building. Compare to pics of 250 and 50kg WW2 vintage bombs hit I have posted and @alejandro_ pic of Officer's club in Vinnytsia (hit by 2 missiles iirc), damage is way too low for 450kg warhead on brick building. Compare also state of roof, even on part of building not directly hit it was fully blown off, while here it has just came collapsing down. Edited July 11 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 So this was an interesting development, a Kh101 variant that has 2 warheads for a combined total of 800KG or equvalent to a 1000lb warhead. https://www.twz.com/air/russia-now-firing-kh-101-cruise-missiles-modified-with-two-warheads-at-ukraine Would a 1000lb warhead detonating with airburst account for this kind of damage with a near miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 21 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: So this was an interesting development, a Kh101 variant that has 2 warheads for a combined total of 800KG or equvalent to a 1000lb warhead. https://www.twz.com/air/russia-now-firing-kh-101-cruise-missiles-modified-with-two-warheads-at-ukraine It is not a "development" since it is not new since at least Jan 2024 when it was announced during then-MoD Shoigu to "Raduga" design bureau (note your article is dated rarly May 2024). Even with "two warheads", Kh-101 is excessive for current set of targets so i wonder if "3rd warhead" would be addeed (since carrying useless fuel is obviously unreasonable). And, as for me, the best solution would be development of some sort of ground-launched variant of Kh-101 that will make it both more flexible tactically and give the nuclear deterrant to the hands of junior officers in case of decapitating strike or treason of big bosses. 37 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Would a 1000lb warhead detonating with airburst account for this kind of damage with a near miss? It was not airburst - as airburst would, first and foremost, fold the roof into indide the house (it is old building from late XIX-early XX era, roof is wooden planks with cover on them). In this case, only part of the roof collapsed down when supporting wall directly under it fell and was later moved away on hands (giving idea how weak this roof is - no way it could withstand 1000lb blast nearby that is able to destroy old brick wall Roof carried away By the way note glass frames (and, may be, even glasses) are intact - also not matching airburst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Lancet vs. unidentified SPG in cover https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16463 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Files Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 "35 foreign personnel " Russia’s strike destroys four HIMARS launchers, 35 foreign personnel in Ukraine operation - Russian Politics & Diplomacy - TASS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 3 hours ago, alejandro_ said: That is what we were arguing yesterday, the strike must have taken place nearby, but no crater can be found. Building in front shows more typical blast and shrapnel damage. Look at the trees and you know what happened. The missile probably hit the tree and exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 10 minutes ago, seahawk said: Look at the trees and you know what happened. The missile probably hit the tree and exploded. Exploded in magical way that left even small branches intact, only fending off the leafs? It is not how explosion in tree branches works - it will leave only central timber standing, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ink Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 25 minutes ago, X-Files said: "35 foreign personnel " Russia’s strike destroys four HIMARS launchers, 35 foreign personnel in Ukraine operation - Russian Politics & Diplomacy - TASS I mean, they can basically say whatever they like, can't they? Who's gonna check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 But its the truth, how can you possibly doubt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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