crazyinsane105 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, txtree99 said: It seems like Kherson is a death trap for both sides. Neither side is actually capturing territory, and both are at the mercy of whatever ordinance is coming towards them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 16 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: It seems like Kherson is a death trap for both sides. Neither side is actually capturing territory, and both are at the mercy of whatever ordinance is coming towards them Not exactly so: pro-Ukrainians have advantage of higher right bank of Dniper, with lots of industrial buildings, while left bank is low and mostly rural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 22 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Not exactly so: pro-Ukrainians have advantage of higher right bank of Dniper, with lots of industrial buildings, while left bank is low and mostly rural. Ukrainians have to deal with glide bombs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, crazyinsane105 said: Ukrainians have to deal with glide bombs though. Glide bombs are not some sort of magic but just weapon of limited use (as they are delivered by fighterplanes, meaning small number of bombs dilivered and long chain of command that takes time to transfer tasks from ground forces to airforce). Taking into consideretion huge number of industrial installations left in this places (once industrial heartland of USSR) , mostly of good concrete and bricks - bombs are always too few, and pro-Rus artillery is by definition in disadvantageous position by operating from lower ground and with less cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, JWB said: Russia is ordering its troops to kill Ukrainian prisoners of war – why? Russia is ordering its troops to kill Ukrainian prisoners of war – why? | The Independent Seems silly that the Russians would alter longstanding protocol on taking prisoners right at the moment when Ukrainian recruits are becoming more willing to surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 37 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Glide bombs are not some sort of magic but just weapon of limited use (as they are delivered by fighterplanes, meaning small number of bombs dilivered and long chain of command that takes time to transfer tasks from ground forces to airforce). Both sides are fighting from fixed, static positions, meaning that glide bomb attacks will be hitting identified enemy positions and causing horrific damage. Furthermore, the Russians have a massive advantage in these weapons, so the attrition is highly-one sided. Quote Taking into consideretion huge number of industrial installations left in this places (once industrial heartland of USSR) , mostly of good concrete and bricks - bombs are always too few, and pro-Rus artillery is by definition in disadvantageous position by operating from lower ground and with less cover. Any video evidence of this? I would have thought that the shallowness of the salient would have allowed artillery positions to remain well back from the front lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 33 minutes ago, glenn239 said: Both sides are fighting from fixed, static positions, meaning that glide bomb attacks will be hitting identified enemy positions and causing horrific damage. I'm affraid you are completely wrong about the nature of what is "fixed position" now, so let me direct you to my old post (and note that it is 6 month old, now FPV drones routinely carry charges big enough to destroy bunker, not handgrenade-size exploisive charges as it was back then What to you want to bomb by glidebombs in this conditions? More then a year ago i was told a story about propaganda officer trying to push pack of "patriotic wall posters" to guys from first line - "Take this and decorate your bunkers" - "But we do not have bunkers" - "Well, pin them up to wooden walls of your trenches" - "Our trenches are just mudpits knee-deep" - "Ok, srick them to the trees near your positions" - "Sorry, sir, we do not have trees standing anymore due to artillery fire". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, glenn239 said: Furthermore, the Russians have a massive advantage in these weapons, so the attrition is highly-one sided. Again, pro-Russians on the frontline believe opposite -that pro-Russian forces are steadily loosing menpower and soon will be unable co conduct even limited operations 1 hour ago, glenn239 said: Any video evidence of this? I would have thought that the shallowness of the salient would have allowed artillery positions to remain well back from the front lines. Video evidence of what? What salient you need? There is no salient on Dniper front P.S. Fresh illustration - glide bomb strikes on pro-Ukr armor covered in village hangars. Imagint the amount of potential roofs to cover armor in big industrial areas (and some roofs are good enough to withstand everything except bomb) https://t.me/infomil_live/7817 Edited July 6 by Roman Alymov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Chineese ATV (mass-bought by RusArmy) with massive anti-drone "tent" https://t.me/boris_rozhin/129183 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 13 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said: Ukrainians have to deal with glide bombs though. They have to know what they are targeting. Its relatively simple for a drone operator to know on the frontline where the enemy is. You have to have sophisticated systems to pass that information on to the Air Force. NATO took decades to develop such systems. Judging by results so far, Russia still does not have such a system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: They have to know what they are targeting. Its relatively simple for a drone operator to know on the frontline where the enemy is. You have to have sophisticated systems to pass that information on to the Air Force. NATO took decades to develop such systems. Judging by results so far, Russia still does not have such a system. About "simplicity" of knowing "where the enemy is" - yandex-translation from https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16400 "One of the most important targets at the moment is the operators of UAVs, no matter large reconnaissance "birds" or small attack FPVs. Everyone is chasing these new military specialties and sparing no expense to hit them. Ukrainians generally put on duty HIMARS in order to instantly strike at the our UAVs operators detected. There is a hunt for nests, for the fields where these guys are deployed, for cars. The profession of "UAV operator" is becoming perhaps the second most dangerous, after stormtroopers. We are also not made with a finger, and sometimes the technical means that we use to detect the enemy cause pleasant surprise. I was once lucky enough to be next to one of the SOF groups (they took a couch blogger with them to the task, for which I thank them very much), the purpose of which was to destroy the crew of FPV drones from Alpha SBU or GUR. The guys hunted for several days and killed them in bad rainy weather, when the Ukrainians, confident in their safety, decided to change the point and drove a beautiful minivan." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 FPVs vs. Bradley IFV, note thje vehicle was operating alone, no "combined arms" at all visible.... https://t.me/sashakots/47722 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 I dont know if this is the Soviet legacy, or Russian Generals dont like devolving authority, but traditionally Soviet doctrine was to use a very big hammer that was largely prescripted. And that legacy seems to linger, even though its fairly evident from this war that devolving as much firepower down to the lower level as you can seems to be the way forward. They tried to compensate for that with the all arms battalions, but seems to have been a complete failure. I dont think Russia is going to square that circle in this war. But there is sure to be a very interesting debate when its all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: About "simplicity" of knowing "where the enemy is" - yandex-translation from https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16400 "One of the most important targets at the moment is the operators of UAVs, no matter large reconnaissance "birds" or small attack FPVs. Everyone is chasing these new military specialties and sparing no expense to hit them. Ukrainians generally put on duty HIMARS in order to instantly strike at the our UAVs operators detected. There is a hunt for nests, for the fields where these guys are deployed, for cars. The profession of "UAV operator" is becoming perhaps the second most dangerous, after stormtroopers. We are also not made with a finger, and sometimes the technical means that we use to detect the enemy cause pleasant surprise. I was once lucky enough to be next to one of the SOF groups (they took a couch blogger with them to the task, for which I thank them very much), the purpose of which was to destroy the crew of FPV drones from Alpha SBU or GUR. The guys hunted for several days and killed them in bad rainy weather, when the Ukrainians, confident in their safety, decided to change the point and drove a beautiful minivan." We have the same expression in Polish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 More of New Berlin Wall: barbed wire wall along Tisa river blocking Ukrainian males from attempts to swim across the river to safety https://t.me/anna_news/68369 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 (edited) 17 minutes ago, urbanoid said: We have the same expression in Polish. Well, due to proximity of languages some memes/espressions in Polish are well understandable (and even popular) in Russia Мужская майка хлопок Радостный бобр курва - купить по цене 990 руб в интернет-магазине Всемайки, арт 3605355 (vsemayki.ru) Футболка бобр kurwa HipTees 232212982 купить за 995 ₽ в интернет-магазине Wildberries Edited July 7 by Roman Alymov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Well, due to proximity of languages some memes/espressions in Polish are well understandable (and even popular) in Russia Мужская майка хлопок Радостный бобр курва - купить по цене 990 руб в интернет-магазине Всемайки, арт 3605355 (vsemayki.ru) Well, this one is from the internet meme about a guy finding a beaver, lots of swearing and fascination with bóbr there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, urbanoid said: Well, this one is from the internet meme about a guy finding a beaver, lots of swearing and fascination with bóbr there. Yes i know - and because of relative ease of understanding of this for Russian-speakers it became widely popular in Russia (for non-Slavic members - "bóbr" is beaver ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Notable similarity between the Slavic and the English words. The German Biber is similar, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 All those languages are part of Indoeuropean branch of languages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 38 minutes ago, Perun said: All those languages are part of Indoeuropean branch of languages Germanic, more than Indoeuropean, as beaver is castor in Spanish, Portuguese, and French, castoro in Italian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ink Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 While we're talking about languages, you guys should check out how similar chestnut is in almost all European languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, sunday said: Germanic, more than Indoeuropean, as beaver is castor in Spanish, Portuguese, and French, castoro in Italian... I ment on both Slavic and Germanic languages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 7 minutes ago, Perun said: I ment on both Slavic and Germanic languages Ok, but all European languages have an Indoeuropean basis, perhaps Basque and Finnish excepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 19 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Again, pro-Russians on the frontline believe opposite -that pro-Russian forces are steadily loosing menpower and soon will be unable co conduct even limited operations Pro-Russians have been saying the Russian army was about to collapse since the summer of 2022. Prigozhin even used pro-Russian talking points to justify his coup attempt. Quote Video evidence of what? What salient you need? There is no salient on Dniper front You said that Russian artillery was deployed in lowlands areas where it was suffering losses. So, post the evidence of the Ukrainian counterbattery taking out Russian artillery. Quote P.S. Fresh illustration - glide bomb strikes on pro-Ukr armor covered in village hangars. Imagint the amount of potential roofs to cover armor in big industrial areas FAB's are most useful against infantry in static fortified positions, not armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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