Kiev Is Burning

[seahawk]

34 minutes ago, Perun said:

Main theme of arguing between West Germans and US was not abbout using nukes on Soviets but how much nukes would be used on Germany soil

As if the West Germans had any say in that. If US aggression wants war with the Soviet Union, Germans will be nuked.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I'm not so sure. In the 1960s? Absolutely. By the 1980s, both sides were working to try to move away from nuclear weapons on the battlefield, at least initially. Marshal Ogarkov was desperately  trying to move to pgms, because in his view, it would actually slow an offensive down. They even went so far as to develop an optically guided warhead that they trialled on scud.

The irony is, Gorbachev denied them the extra funding to make it happen, which would have allowed Ogarkov to shrink the Army army. His aim to trim the military budget, arguably made the world more dangerous, at least for a short while.

 

[Rob Veenendaal]

3 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

M777 muzzle brake blown - strange, can't imagine how it could happen.

https://t.me/milinfolive/107363

Yes, strange. If I am not mistaken, grenades have a safety build in that ensures the grenade is only allowed to explode after x amount of rotations after leaving the barrel. To make it explode inside the MB, the fuse also must have been activated. So, at least two things went wrong here. At least it seems to be an easy repair, by just replacing the MB.

[Roman Alymov]

Wrecks near Rabotino, including Challenger tank https://t.me/boris_rozhin/99081

[Roman Alymov]

As old predictions were discussed recently, here is another one - seems like old US AirForce officer turned political scientist was more or less correct in predicting events 6 month in advance at least (will see if it will be true further)

 

[sunday]

Mearsheimer, the boogeyman of the Neocons?

[Perun]

As UN missile embargo against Iran expires in mid-October Iran could supply 2 types of ballistic missiles to Russia: ● Fateh-110 ● Zolfaghar Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missiles are more difficult to intercept than unibody missiles like the 9K720 Iskander

 

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/10/01/russia-expects-fateh-110-180mi-and-zolfaghar-430mi-missiles/

 

I doubt this but it looks interesting

Edited October 1, 2023 by Perun

[Oblomovens]

5 hours ago, Strannik said:

The other difference was that US was arming and helping Cuban contras to invade at that exact moment.

 Did USSR do this to Turkey?

Yet another example that you are a "bad sport" and arguing with you is not worthy. 

Not to mention that it's not a Castro/Cuban crisis thread.

 

You might want to type Soviet-Kurdish relations into Google at an opportune moment. Especially before 1972, Moscow maneuvered the Kurds into a position to be able to do exactly that if needed.

[glenn239]

4 hours ago, seahawk said:

That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation.

Does it make sense?  Russia's strategy is to divide NATO and leave the hawks isolated.  Roman is saying that Russia's strategy should be what, to unify NATO behind Ukraine?  What he's saying makes no sense.  Every election where being anti-Ukrainian mattered, every turn of Western opinion against the war, these are pro-Russian outcomes.  Look at it the other way.  If Slovakia had instead had an election where they doubled down on support of Ukraine, how would that help Russia?

Edited October 1, 2023 by glenn239

[crazyinsane105]

8 minutes ago, Perun said:

As UN missile embargo against Iran expires in mid-October Iran could supply 2 types of ballistic missiles to Russia: ● Fateh-110 ● Zolfaghar Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missiles are more difficult to intercept than unibody missiles like the 9K720 Iskander

 

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/10/01/russia-expects-fateh-110-180mi-and-zolfaghar-430mi-missiles/

 

I doubt this but it looks interesting

Technically this was the reason why Iran hesitated in supplying the missiles, along with making modifications to them to ensure they adhere to 300 km range. 
 

[Strannik]

39 minutes ago, Oblomovens said:

You might want to type Soviet-Kurdish relations into Google at an opportune moment. Especially before 1972, Moscow maneuvered the Kurds into a position to be able to do exactly that if needed.

There was no tangible support to Turkish rebels by Soviet Union in early 1960s, in fact there was no meaningful Kurdish rebellion at that time.

Another claim without facts from the pro- NATO shill company.

 

[mkenny]

2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Wrecks near Rabotino, including Challenger tank https://t.me/boris_rozhin/99081

This shows how another tank tried to pass around  the Challenger wreck and  got hit itself. 

 

https://t.me/grey_zone/20801

[bojan]

2 hours ago, Rob Veenendaal said:

Yes, strange. If I am not mistaken, grenades have a safety build in that ensures the grenade is only allowed to explode after x amount of rotations after leaving the barrel. To make it explode inside the MB, the fuse also must have been activated. So, at least two things went wrong here. At least it seems to be an easy repair, by just replacing the MB.

Most explosions of projectile in the bore is not due the faulty fuse but due the cracks in explosive filler, which can lead to  unintentional detonation or deflagration of explosive filler during acceleration. Same can happen with some fillers if due the repeated heating and cooling explosive starts developing crystals.

Also, if bore is worn enough or projectile driving band is bad, projectile can wobble and hit muzzle break on way out.

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Mearsheimer, the boogeyman of the Neocons?

I wonder as if he would be labeled Russian spy by them:)

[sunday]

1 minute ago, Roman Alymov said:

I wonder as if he would be labeled Russian spy by them:)

Fifth-columnist, and traitor, too.

[Rob Veenendaal]

21 minutes ago, bojan said:

Most explosions of projectile in the bore is not due the faulty fuse but due the cracks in explosive filler, which can lead to  unintentional detonation or deflagration of explosive filler during acceleration. Same can happen with some fillers if due the repeated heating and cooling explosive starts developing crystals.

Also, if bore is worn enough or projectile driving band is bad, projectile can wobble and hit muzzle break on way out.

Thanks Bojan,
I have one remark regarding a wobbling grenade hitting the muzzle break:
In the past, I did measure Tiger MB's and though expecting to find a tight fit for the grenade, it had a larger hole in the centre ring and much larger at the front. Always wondered why. Now I know. Thanks again. We keep learning.

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Does it make sense?  Russia's strategy is to divide NATO and leave the hawks isolated.  Roman is saying that Russia's strategy should be what, to unify NATO behind Ukraine?  What he's saying makes no sense.  Every election where being anti-Ukrainian mattered, every turn of Western opinion against the war, these are pro-Russian outcomes.

You are wrong from the basis: there is no such country as "Russia" on the globe now - but only "Russian Federation", ugly product of 1) "Lenin's national policy" that was deliberately anti-Russian and 2)post-Soviet comprador capitalism. What you believe to be "pro-Russian outcomes" are actually, in best case scenario, return to old model of our elite pumping out national wealth to private Western assets. Do we really need this outcome?

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

 If Slovakia had instead had an election where they doubled down on support of Ukraine, how would that help Russia?

Itr will additional reason why "appeasement of the West" is not to be expected (despite all the efforts of our rulling elite), and why economy and society are to be put in war mode. Unfortunatelly, now this pro-Western party is trying to regain positions - see latest article by Surkov (former Presidential advisor, the man who jave almost ruined Novorossia idea) - he is back from his self-exile in Abkhazia and openly speaking about "Great North" - union of Russia, US and Europe against "Global South") https://actualcomment.ru/rozhdenie-severa-2309262036.html

"September 27, 2023 8:59
The Birth of the North

When Vasco da Gama in 1497 went to look for a waterway to India, King Manuel ordered him to seek an audience with the powerful overseas rulers — Prester John and the Rajah of Calicut.

The order was only half carried out. Contact was established with the rajah, but it did not work with the presbyter. And this was especially annoying, since John was the king of a powerful Christian power that flourished "somewhere beyond the Nile", and Portugal hoped that he, as a co-religionist, would support it in the fight against non-Christians for control over the routes of spices and gold.

The alliance with the Kingdom of the Presbyter was an essential element of the Portuguese expansion plan.

As a result, the plan had to be adjusted. The Portuguese, to their credit, more or less coped alone. But their "dotted" empire in the Indian Ocean, for all its success, was still not as strong, extensive and durable as it could have been if they had managed to attract the resources of a major ally.

However, it would be rash to blame Vasco Da Gama for this semi-failure. He did not enter into an alliance with the kingdom of John not because he was negligent or stupid, you can't say that about him for sure. But because this kingdom has never existed anywhere. Unfortunately.

King Manuel was let down by his scholarship — he relied on strictly scientific data and the most reliable sources in his plans. Of that time, of course.

The confidence that either in Africa or in Asia there is a fraternal superpower of the priest-king, gave cheerfulness to the crusaders of the twelfth century. They "knew" that he could march to Palestine on their side. At the same time, the Pope sent an embassy to John. Which, however, did not return. Later, Marco Polo reported "clearly" about the presbyter. His country was "known" to the Arabs, Byzantines, Persians, Mongols... "Familiar" and the Old Russian tradition called the Kingdom of Pope Ivan.

There is nothing unusual in the fact that this vivid geopolitical hallucination has influenced the behavior of serious states to one degree or another for four hundred years. And if geopolitics is indeed a "grandiose chessboard", then, in addition to quite wooden kings and pawns, there is always a ghostly, non-existent, but naively intended for "strong moves" figure of Pop Ivan on it today.

Each strategist has his own "pop Ivan", his favorite illusion, his intoxicating mistake, freely located among sober calculations. Ivan's pop factor is the driving force of any big game. Without this false piece, no player would have started the game. Just because I wouldn't believe it was possible to win.

And it's not about the desire to deceive or be deceived. This is not cheating, but on the contrary, simplicity.

Human thinking as such perceives reality not in its pure form, but always as augmented reality. Supplemented by the fact that it is unreal. Fiction works as a catalyst for action. And as a developer of the truth. There is no movement without fiction. And the subsequent meeting with reality. Sometimes not joyful: "it was smooth on paper..."

The mind generates errors as generously as correct judgments. The infallible is unreasonable. (artificial intelligence will only match human intelligence and surpass it when it learns to make mistakes)

In every ambitious plan, of the two or three fulcrum points by which it is supposed to turn the Earth over, at least one is by definition fictitious.

In the current redistribution of the world, geopolitical hallucinations play no less a role than in the era of Vasco da Gama. And it is not so important whether Washington strategists saw in a dream an embroidery with a print "sim pobedishi". Or the Berlin strategists imagined that they "as always" with the supposedly characteristic "German pedantry" resolutely figured out everything and provided for everything. Or all of them together took Ukraine for the kingdom of Pope Ivan, for a wonderful and ready-made foreign country that will help them.

It is important that their bloody game will achieve goals that no one is striving for today. And everyone will get not exactly what or not at all what they want. And momentary delusions will reveal the distant truth.

What can you discern ahead if you try to look over the mirages? What happens if false pieces are removed from the chessboard?

There will be a Great North — Russia, the USA and Europe, forming a common socio-cultural space. The triune northern geopolitical cluster.

The premonition of the North has already been indicated in the intensification of the use of the term "global South". And there is no south without the north.

Once upon a time, the concept of "global North" was actually synonymous with "West" and, due to obvious duplication, did not catch on. Now, the contours of the Great North, although barely visible, are emerging and carry a completely different meaning.

Now it is hard to believe that conflicting systems will eventually reach a high level of convergence. But it was also hard to believe in a united Russia when Mikhail of Tver was fighting against the Moscow Principality. It was also difficult to believe in a united Europe in the time of Wallenstein. Or to the union of the states of America — at the beginning of the Yankee war with the Confederates.

We are witnessing a violent reaction of the synthesis of civilizations. Its result will be, when all the false precipitates, the dissolution of both the West and the East in the Great North.
All participants in this process are experiencing and will experience tragic transformations more than once, until they begin to fit each other for a joint historical project. It has already taken centuries and will take many more decades.

Yes, not soon. Yes — "not on our shift." The chance to create a great northern alliance was missed in the early noughties, when our President invited the Americans to think about Russia's accession to NATO. The offer was rejected. Most likely, because of the fear that within the new security circuit, Moscow will be able to challenge Washington's hegemony and intercept the levers of influence on the "junior" members of the alliance.

Such offers are not made twice. The USA continues to live with its chronic phobias and manias. The EU is not yet independent, remaining an expanded version of Bizonia.

The path of Americans and Europeans from paranoia to metanoia is long and tortuous, it will not be long before they mature to the right world. But not soon does not mean never.

The Great North is not a utopia or a dystopia, it will be neither an idyll nor a gloomy place. It will be full of contradictions — and at the same time obsessed with the unifying idea of collective leadership.

A common future is predetermined by common roots.

The three largest northern civilizations, Russian, European and American, in their political development draw inspiration from the image of Pax Romana. The word of Elder Philotheus still secretly guides Russia. The European Union proclaimed Charlemagne, the "emperor of the Romans", as its forefather. Washington's most famous hill is named after the legendary Capitol.

The source code of these three metacultures is laid down in the Iliad and the Gospel. Their relationship is obvious.

Our victory will change both us and the so-called West. It will be a new step towards the integration of the Great North, where our country will act as a solider of the global triumvirate.

The malice of this day will be replaced by creation. And this will be the merit not so much of the politicians of the future as of Homer and St. Mark.

Vladislav Surkov especially for "Relevant comments""

 

[Roman Alymov]

And pro-Russian take from above mentioned article:

"ENCRYPTED ARTICLE: PUTIN'S MOST SECRET ADVISER UNEXPECTEDLY REVEALED HIS CARDS
The article by former Kremlin crisis manager Vladislav Surkov "The Birth of the North" was rightly called an "anti-Chinese manifesto." Its goal is to prevent Russia from breaking with the West and spoil the prospects for cooperation with the East. Surkov is trying to become the mouthpiece of the pro–Western part of the "our" elite, choosing the right moment for this - the already marked fatigue of Westerners from the Ukrainian war, Putin's visit to China scheduled for October and the actual start of the election campaign in Russia.

There are not only former security officers. Allowing himself to yawn with gusto and demonstratively at the public speeches of Russian President Vladimir Putin, his former assistant Vladislav Surkov, who has been engaged in Ukraine for a long time, continues, of course, to remain an influential figure, part of the nomenclature, even after his resignation in 2020. Since "disgrace" is a fixable matter, Surkov, whom The Washington Post called "the outstanding political mind of the Kremlin," periodically reminds the general public of himself with landmark articles.

The last of them, called "The Birth of the North", is being discussed by the public these days. But somehow sluggish. And she is still worthy of putting everything on the shelves, revealing her hidden meanings.

About half of the text is a seed in the form of history and psychology, which are often resorted to in order to feed the audience what is required. And the longer the introductory part, the scarier it usually is that it precedes.

Parallel reality
Surkov began from afar – with ... the expedition to India of the Portuguese navigator and colonizer Vasco da Gama, who sailed there for spices, to preach Catholicism and for new lands in 1498. It took the former Kremlin "reshale" to recall this historical episode in order to demonstrate the futility of human planning.

Vasco da Gama got to faraway India, they say, and somehow created a Portuguese colonial empire in South Asia. But another task of his king – to establish contact with the ruler of a certain Christian power that flourished "somewhere beyond the Nile", about which a lot of news was received in Europe and which was called the kingdom of Prester John (in Russia - Pope Ivan), the future viceroy of India did not fulfill.

Because this kingdom has "never existed anywhere." And this "vivid geopolitical hallucination" not only confused the Portuguese, who hoped to find in the person of Prester John an ally in the fight against Muslims, but also "for four hundred years to one degree or another influenced the behavior" of other serious states.

OPENING OF THE SEA ROUTE TO INDIA. VASCO DA GAMA'S ENTRY INTO LISBON. PHOTO: IMAGO/H.TSCHANZ-HOFMANN/GLOBALLOOKPRESS

The general public probably "swallowed" this historical "educational program" and even paid tribute to Surkov's historical savvy and foresight. Being the author of a dissertation on Portuguese religious and political expansion in South Asia, I hasten to disappoint: the Christian state beyond the Nile, headed by the monarch, the anointed of God, not only existed, but still exists – now in the form of a republic – called Ethiopia. The Portuguese then established contact with her, entered into allied relations.

This was done by the same man who scouted for Vasco da Gama the sea route to India – Peru da Covillan. And the fourth son of Vasco da Gama – Krishtovan da Gama – fought with the Ethiopians against the Muslims and died heroically defending their land. This alliance certainly played its role in the struggle of the Portuguese against their enemies in the region, even if initially the "oceanic knights" may have wanted more and had to help more than they received.

Surkov 's three theses
Surkov went from an unfit historical example to the point. Firstly, to the Ukrainian conflict, calling on both the West, which is already tired of it (which, nevertheless, does not want to lose at all), and the "our" elite (they showed Westerners, they say, that you can't just wipe your feet about us without end, and that's enough) "to try look over the mirages."

Criticize – offer. And Surkov offered his vision of the future, hoping, of course, that especially in Russia, many people - in the elite and not only - will like it:

There will be a Great North — Russia, the USA and Europe, forming a common socio-cultural space. The triune northern geopolitical cluster. The premonition of the North has already been indicated in the intensification of the use of the term "global South". And there is no south without the north.

And secondly, we will sacrifice the "global South" and those countries that are associated with it, where Russia is valued, they hope for us and are waiting for help (it's always better to take than to give, isn't it?), and the "Great North" will gradually embrace us.

Here Surkov even remembered, and this is thirdly, about the "convergence" that Westerners were fooling and fooled the Soviet leadership, and even Russian history:

Now it is hard to believe that conflicting systems will eventually reach a high level of convergence. But it was also hard to believe in a united Russia when Mikhail Tverskoy was fighting with the Moscow Principality… We are witnessing a violent reaction of the synthesis of civilizations. Its result will be, when all the false precipitates, the dissolution of both the West and the East in the Great North. All participants in this process are experiencing and will experience tragic transformations more than once, until they begin to fit each other for a joint historical project. It has already taken centuries and will take many more decades.

Well, friends, let's take an example from Mikhail Tversky with his disappeared principality?

Summing up the interim results
In short, "not soon does not mean never", do not push the West away from you, break with it (although it is he who breaks with us!), Americans and Europeans will mature one day to the "right peace" with Russia, even if "not in our shift". And as a result, we will be united in the Great North by the "unifying idea of collective leadership".

Having launched into outright demagoguery, Surkov pretends that some amorphous "victory" of Russia in Ukraine "will change both us and the so-called West" and will become a prerequisite "for the integration of the Great North, where our country will act as a solider of the global triumvirate."

The political strategist also points to the common civilizational and religious foundations, the "common roots" of Russia, Europe and the USA. They say they will "determine" the common future:

The three largest northern civilizations, Russian, European and American, in their political development draw inspiration from the image of Pax Romana. The word of Elder Philotheus still secretly guides Russia. The European Union proclaimed Charlemagne, the "emperor of the Romans", as its forefather. Washington's most famous hill is named after the legendary Capitol. The source code of these three metacultures is laid down in the Iliad and the Gospel. Their relationship is obvious.

In his salad, the "National Team" mentions Surkov also about Homer and St.To the brand, on which he puts an end.

Will we really believe it?
In general, they want to convince us that Surkov, an intelligent, practical and well-informed man, has fallen into amateurish philosophy and the affairs of the past, in which he does not fully orient himself, in order to outline to us a picture of some distant future, the vague outlines of which are beginning to appear in the disturbing present? I don't believe it! The distant future is of little interest to him.

Then what are the real meanings and signals being sent to the country and the world, who are the recipients of this message, why did it appear right now and what does Surkov want to squeeze out of it?

Firstly, Putin's ex-aide appeals to those Western elites who have begun to get tired of Kiev, realized the inevitability of its defeat, already understand that it is impossible to defeat Russia in Ukraine and therefore it is necessary to somehow negotiate. That is, to recognize that Moscow should have the right to vote on the Ukrainian issue and can count on certain territories. The smartest Westerners – like Surkov, I am sure - understand that such a "victory" will actually be our strategic defeat, because in this case Ukraine will retain the potential to create a threat to Russia in the future, and the "obscene world" discredits the government in the eyes of our people.

Secondly, by the "global South", which for some reason we must resist, of course, they meant not only and not so much Russia's poor allies somewhere in Africa, but, above all, China. A strong strategic alliance between Moscow and Beijing is the worst nightmare for Washington, as, indeed, for European capitals. In the West, including right-wing circles on both sides of the Atlantic, would like to turn Russia into a torpedo against China, following the example of how the United States "charged" Ukrainians against Russia, and, of course, would not mind cooperating with Moscow in this matter, sacrificing something in Ukraine.

The same forces, who consider China the main enemy of the West, want to end the Ukrainian conflict as soon as possible in order to focus on Beijing. Without a strong Russian rear, China's confrontation with the West is doomed to failure.

A STRONG STRATEGIC ALLIANCE BETWEEN MOSCOW AND BEIJING IS THE WORST NIGHTMARE FOR WASHINGTON, AS, INDEED, FOR EUROPEAN CAPITALS. photo: THE KREMLIN MOSCOW/GLOBAL LOOK PRESS

Thirdly, Surkov is clearly gaining a price not only in the eyes of the thinking part of the West. At the same time, it sends a signal to those representatives of the elite in Russia who are guided by it, for whom, despite its degeneration, it is still a "spiritual homeland", who have capital and families there.

The disgraced political strategist signals that he is ready to be their mouthpiece at the most critical moment, as the struggle for Ukraine enters a stage when a decisive break with the West becomes inevitable. Also, they say, not everything is lost, put pressure on the authorities: we will build a civilization of the "Great North" together with Westerners, we will not allow any turn to the South and East.

A hardened pragmatist has become an idealist?
The idealism of this program is obvious. The idea of uniting Russia, Europe and the USA is nonsense, it is sucked out of the finger. We are too different and we have different interests. The West will never recognize us as equals. He will try to prevent a significant victory of Russia in the Ukrainian war, so as not to lose face. He is not and cannot be trusted: Westerners do not consider us to be gentlemen whose word must be kept.

Despite their common civilizational roots, Russians were and remain heretics, savages, nihilists, "communists" for the West, generally wrong and completely unsympathetic people, and Russia is too big to sleep peacefully. This was the case under Russian tsars, emperors, general secretaries and presidents. Nothing changes. They flirted with us only when they wanted the Russians to shed more blood in the interests of – and instead of – Westerners.

I am sure that Surkov himself understands perfectly well that this is so. He is definitely not an idealist and wants to actually achieve three main things.

First, to make peace for the "little things" in Ukraine with the West on the basis of recognition of at least elementary interests of Russia.

Secondly, to send a signal to Westerners: act, finally, there is someone in Moscow to lend you a hand.

Thirdly, there is a desire to disrupt the quiet horror of a considerable part of the "Nashensk" elite – and not only – Russia's turn to the East, which, I repeat, becomes inevitable in the context of the continuation and deepening of Moscow's confrontation with the West in connection with Ukraine.

Why now?
All this caused the time of the appearance of the Surkov article. In the 2024 election year, if the war in Ukraine does not end, there will inevitably be a serious rotation in the elite, the pro-Western part of which will be greatly weakened, and the positions of patriotic, soil forces will strengthen. Since the election campaign – there is very little left until March next year - has already begun behind the scenes, Surkov simply could not stay away, because the main fundamental issue will be either a break or reconciliation with the West. Something average will not pass next year. It is clear which team the political strategist intends to play in.

Surkov's immediate immediate goal seems to be to puzzle Beijing, where Putin will arrive in October, deploying Russia to the East. Here, look what we are allowing ourselves here, we will be an unreliable partner for you, run and put up with the USA as soon as possible. There is, of course, such a message in the article. It is clearly timed to coincide with the October visit and can be quite considered as an "anti-Chinese manifesto".

So what?
Exaggerating? Do we see what is not there? Unlikely. After all, almost simultaneously with Surkov's revelations, Moscow started talking (and obviously for the same reasons: the elections and China) that the Russian economy was facing new problems due to a turn to the East, that eastern markets are even tougher than Western ones, and Russia, they say, declared a serious "economic war" on them, they don't want to "give technology" (?!), they charge a "double price". Such statements were heard from high lips at the Moscow Economic Forum…

A coincidence? No. A coordinated attack, most likely. Warned means protected. We will have to fight for Russia. Putin has already made the right choice. It remains to filter the environment. Only after that – the cessation of sabotage – and a decisive victory in Ukraine will happen. China will not recoil from a strong Russia. There are no prerequisites for China's cooperation with the United States." (source https://tsargrad.tv/articles/zashifrovannaja-statja-samyj-tajnyj-sovetnik-putina-neozhidanno-raskryl-karty_877672?ysclid=ln7y86g15248166337 )

[Roman Alymov]

Air defence underground central command bunker in Kharkov region, destroyed by unidentified weapon in first day of "SVO" https://t.me/boris_rozhin/99093

[Oblomovens]

9 hours ago, Strannik said:

There was no tangible support to Turkish rebels by Soviet Union in early 1960s, in fact there was no meaningful Kurdish rebellion at that time.

Another claim without facts from the pro- NATO shill company.

 

I am sorry you seem so angry about this. But the Soviets did in fact support and arm several anti-Turkish groups in the 50's and 60's.

[seahawk]

11 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Does it make sense?  Russia's strategy is to divide NATO and leave the hawks isolated.  Roman is saying that Russia's strategy should be what, to unify NATO behind Ukraine?  What he's saying makes no sense.  Every election where being anti-Ukrainian mattered, every turn of Western opinion against the war, these are pro-Russian outcomes.  Look at it the other way.  If Slovakia had instead had an election where they doubled down on support of Ukraine, how would that help Russia?

I think he means better for the Russian people, if the government would be no longer controlled by the pro-West party. And to achieve this the chance of a negotiated solution with the West must be non-existent. In the long rin, he will be correct, as the Western aggression towards Russia will not end.

[Strannik]

8 hours ago, Oblomovens said:

I am sorry you seem so angry about this. But the Soviets did in fact support and arm several anti-Turkish groups in the 50's and 60's.

Please provide sources.

Also for your reputation here sake I expect it to be tangible and not akin to infamous Iraq chem warfare evidence (a couple of dozen of rusty shells lying here and there, missed during disposal)

And then we will compare financing,  arming and training the small army vs.  whatever you will provide to assess the adequacy of your claim.

Anger wasted on trolls? Please 😂

Edited October 2, 2023 by Strannik

[Josh]

Interesting FIRMS graph. It looks like the decision to release DPICM ammunition for donation was decisive in terms of quantitative improvement of fire. Not surprising, but always nice to have some actual information. Full article in the other thread.

[glenn239]

16 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

You are wrong from the basis: there is no such country as "Russia" on the globe now - but only "Russian Federation", ugly product of 1) "Lenin's national policy" that was deliberately anti-Russian and 2)post-Soviet comprador capitalism. What you believe to be "pro-Russian outcomes" are actually, in best case scenario, return to old model of our elite pumping out national wealth to private Western assets. Do we really need this outcome?

A pro-Russian outcome in Slovakia is the election of a government that is pro-Russia and terminates support for Ukraine.  

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Itr will additional reason why "appeasement of the West" is not to be expected (despite all the efforts of our rulling elite), and why economy and society are to be put in war mode.

A Slovakian election result has nothing to do with the Russian industrial mobilization.

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Unfortunatelly, now this pro-Western party is trying to regain positions - see latest article by Surkov (former Presidential advisor, the man who jave almost ruined Novorossia idea) - he is back from his self-exile in Abkhazia and openly speaking about "Great North" - union of Russia, US and Europe against "Global South") 

I wonder who paid Surkov to say that.  Russia seems to have alot of self-declared "patriots" that are hoping the Russian army falls flat on its face.   With this Slovakian thing the real issue seems to be that Russians who want the Russian army to fail, (so that they can sweep in and "rescue" Russia from itself), are not receptive to the idea the Russian government and army actually know what they are doing. 

[crazyinsane105]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

Interesting FIRMS graph. It looks like the decision to release DPICM ammunition for donation was decisive in terms of quantitative improvement of fire. Not surprising, but always nice to have some actual information. Full article in the other thread.

I’m wondering if it has to do with Russia not experiencing cluster munition usage on such a large scale and having to adapt to it.