Kiev Is Burning

[R011]

9 hours ago, ink said:

I knew it would be fixed but I didn't expect it to happen this quickly!

A principled stand to help poor beleagured Polish farmers plays much better in teh election campaign than "we've run out of old stuff to send".

Edited September 21, 2023 by R011

[crazyinsane105]

Ukraine's Neptun anti-ship missile has been in the news a lot this month. Now there is another interesting story involving it. As it turned out, at the time of the invasion of the Russian army in 2023, the missile had not yet passed all the tests. Therefore, the Ukrainian Navy tested it on real targets.

Here's What We Know

With such a statement was made by the commander of the Ukrainian Navy Oleksiy Neizhpapa. His words are quoted by The Wall Street Journal. Vice Admiral claims that because of the invasion of the Russian Federation missile "Neptune" had to be tested on real targets.

The first target was the frigate Admiral Essen. The ship was equipped with electronic warfare systems that worked effectively and prevented the missiles from striking accurately. Nevertheless, the ship sustained damage.

[ink]

8 hours ago, R011 said:

A principled stand to help poor beleagured Polish farmers plays much better in teh election campaign than "we've run out of old stuff to send".

A more cynical view than even I'm accustomed to holding. Not that I reckon you're wide of the mark - probably quite the opposite.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Pretty sure I did this on World of Tanks...

https://x.com/DefenceU/status/1704586140764839962?s=20

[BansheeOne]

1 hour ago, ink said:

A more cynical view than even I'm accustomed to holding. Not that I reckon you're wide of the mark - probably quite the opposite.

That's not cynical, just common sense. At election time, governments will naturally play to domestic over international interests. Poland is hardly unique in that - Gerhard Schröder campaigning on opposition to intervention in Iraq springs to mind, and the Polish antics are just a take on the current Republican "America before Ukraine!" from the government side - though admittedly populist parties like the PiS are more prone to building up foreign enemies to present themselves as protectors of the fatherland.

Last time around they did that with the attempt to outlaw references to possible Polish complicity in the Holocaust, to the point it caused a diplomatic row with Israel rather than Germany, against which it was aimed. This time it has been German reparations for WW II, and linking the election with a referendum against supposedly EU-enforced immigration à la Orban; their initial presentation of the national continuation of the import ban on Ukrainian grain after it expired at the EU level was also "we'll do this no matter what Berlin and Brussels say!" (who said ... nothing).

The escalation against Ukraine itself is probably in part due to nervousness after the recent allegations that Polish embassies issued Schengen work visa to Africans and Asians for bribes, threatening to blow up their anti-immigration selling point. The immediate trigger may however have been Zelensky's UN speech in which he not only critiziced the Eastern European countries enacting national import bans on Ukrainian grain, without naming them, but also expressively lauded Germany supported a permanent German UNSC seat. Which was likely more than the PiS could take. 😁

Hence everyone flipping their lid, Prime Minister Morawieczki going "no more weapons for Ukraine!", and President Duda likening them to a drowning man threatening to drag his rescuers down with him, right before backpedaling that the "no more weapons" thing had been grossly misunderstood. That's however another data point why all the talk of Poland supposedly being built up to become a security exporter in Eastern Europe is of dubious credibility; at least under the PiS, they'll mostly keep exporting their inner insecurity.

[mandeb48]

trench war 2023 

https://lostarmour.info/news/fpv_23_09_21_08-21_sudoplatov      +18

Updates on the map War  September 17-20:

https://t.me/creamy_caprice/2225

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Just when you think the war has reached peak stupid...

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Oh, and some naughty  boy has blown up the Black Sea fleet headquarters.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Shame, it looked like a really nice gaff.

[Roman Alymov]

7 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Shame, it looked like a really nice gaff.

Incoming missiles and AD fire caught on camera of foreign journalist in Sevastopol. Тote locals staying calm  - reminding the scenes of Crimea War of XIX century.

https://t.me/milinfolive/106866

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah. Remember how that one went?

 

[crazyinsane105]

34 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Just when you think the war has reached peak stupid...

 

They run out of AKs already that they can’t spare any for their dance team 😂

[Roman Alymov]

15 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yeah. Remember how that one went?

Yes, it ended up with Brtitish war cemeteries still staying on Russian hills.

Graves of Britain’s Crimean War dead are desecrated, exploited and now forgotten (thetimes.co.uk)

Edited September 22, 2023 by Roman Alymov

[bojan]

55 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Just when you think the war has reached peak stupid...

 

Again you open mouth about things you have no clue. It is ballet about WW2, done since 1942, based on siege of Leningrad (originated there, first time performed in 1943).

[Stuart Galbraith]

It amazes me how little you guys remember of your own history, not least Sevastpol fell, the Black Sea fleet was destroyed, and the Ottomans were saved. Yes, a lot of good British French and Ottoman soldiers died. But it put Russian territorial ambitions back several decades, and a good job for all that.

 

[bojan]

1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

...and the Ottomans were saved.

You are saying like that was a good thing.

Edited September 22, 2023 by bojan

[Roman Alymov]

Unknown PGM (probably Tornado-S) vs. pro-Ukr temporary base near Vremeevsky ledge

https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/29443

[Roman Alymov]

6 minutes ago, bojan said:

You are saying like that was a good thing.

It is not good thing or bad thing - it is old good British Doublethink   Not to mention rivers of blood shed by Ottomans in Balkans, Greece and other places while they "were saved" for several decades, not to mention Armenians - finally it ended up with Britons (well, of colonial origin, but still Britons back then)  fighting "good Ottoman soldiers", mostly in vain by the way....

[seahawk]

Britan is deeply russophobe for centuries now.

[Stuart Galbraith]

37 minutes ago, bojan said:

You are saying like that was a good thing.

Details, details!

 

[txtree99]

Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian armored vehicles are operating beyond the final line of the Russian defensive layer that Ukrainian forces in western Zaporizhia Oblast are currently penetrating, although ISW is not yet prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken fully through this Russian defensive layer.

Russian forces currently defending in western Zaporizhia Oblast have been unable to prevent Ukrainian forces from making gradual but steady advances since mid-August.

Ukrainian forces conducted a series of drone and missile strikes targeting the Russian airfield near occupied Saky, Crimea, and may have damaged Russian aircraft.

Satellite imagery confirms that Ukrainian forces also struck the 744th Communications Center of the Command of the Black Sea Fleet in occupied Crimea on September 20 as part of an apparent Ukrainian effort to target Black Sea Fleet facilities.

Russian forces conducted a notably large series of missile strikes against Ukraine on the night of September 20 to 21, likely to correspond with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to the United States.

The Kremlin continues to seek to intensify divisions between Ukraine and its Central European partners following Russia’s withdrawal from the Black Sea Grain Initiative.

The Russian State Duma will reportedly propose a bill allowing the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) to include volunteer formations amid continued rumors about the Wagner Group operating alongside Rosgvardia.

The Kremlin is reportedly pushing propaganda narratives that highlight Russian artillery and aviation while downplaying the efforts of Russian forces conducting ground operations, likely in order to avoid discussion of Russian personnel losses and poor counterbattery capabilities.

The Kremlin is likely aiming to blame Armenian leadership and the West for Azerbaijan’s recent military operation into Nagorno-Karabakh.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not advance.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-21-2023

 

[Markus Becker]

1 hour ago, bojan said:

You are saying like that was a good thing.

Predictions are difficult, particularly about the future. 

[Roman Alymov]

Sad story of WIA evacuation attempt by M113, or why sometimes no evacuation is better...

https://t.me/sashakots/42332

[Roman Alymov]

Parts of shot down StormShadow in central Sevastopol https://t.me/infomil_live/151

[Roman Alymov]

"Official" video https://t.me/dva_majors/26073 (from TASS) of Black Sea fleet HQ "historic building" (it is official name, see this video from 2020 about first restoration after 60 yeasrs of neglect completed https://smotrim.ru/video/2227720 ) 

  Officially one person is missing.