Kiev Is Burning

[Mighty_Zuk]

I think colonialism is perfectly okay and everyone who wants to colonize Russia can have a go at it. It's a natural need. Countries that are unable to defend themselves for whatever reason, don't deserve the benefit of safety. Neither do colonizers who arrogantly attacked someone more powerful than them.

Edited September 18 by Mighty_Zuk

[Roman Alymov]

10 minutes ago, JWB said:

That only happens when locals cannot run oil and gas industries. See Saudi, Kuwait, Iran, etc.

Nice list if examples

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

Do tell why "west" would want control of these lands?

Contracts of the military and civilian infastructure sort - these are extremely lucrative both of industry and for massive kickbacks to Western politicians.  

[JWB]

1 minute ago, glenn239 said:

Contracts of the military and civilian infastructure sort - these are extremely lucrative both of industry and for massive kickbacks to Western politicians.  

Wut ???????????

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Words fail me.

 

[glenn239]

2 hours ago, Marsh said:

It's no good. Facts don't matter to him. The fact that there are numerous genuine reports and interviews on the web about the design of body armour for female soldiers, nothing to do with pregnancy, doesn't matter to him. He will continue to spout nonsense from neo-Nazi fuckwits, that doesn't matter to him. He is interested in an anti-Ukrainian message, not the truth of the situation. That, is what matters to him.

I don't think there are huge line ups of Ukrainian women asking to fight in combat, so the inference seems to be that Zelensky is now so desperate that he's going to draft women against their will and send them into combat.  

 

 

[glenn239]

3 minutes ago, JWB said:

Wut ???????????

 

A Canadian example,

Airbus affair - Wikipedia

The Airbus affair refers to allegations of secret commissions paid to Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and other members of his ministry in exchange for then-crown corporation Air Canada's purchase of a large number of Airbus jets.

In this case it was an infrastructure purchase between allies, but the pattern was of Airbus making it rain with the Canadian government in order to get the order.  Airbus wanted the orders, the allegation is that officials within the Canadian government accepted bribes to get that done.  With a country like Ukraine, not only airliners, but military equipment of all description and huge contracts for civilian infrastructure.  The West will get none of that pie if Russia wins the war.

[JWB]

4 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

With a country like Ukraine, not only airliners, but military equipment of all description and huge contracts for civilian infrastructure.

None of that requires western control.

[glenn239]

1 minute ago, JWB said:

None of that requires western control.

You're thinking that if Russia wins the war in Ukraine and imposes a puppet government in Kyiv that the Ukrainian Air Force will buy F-35's and nuclear powerplants from France?

[BansheeOne]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

I mean documents signed by colonial administration (and Russian elite is de-facto colonial administration of West) are only valid as long as colony is under control of colonial power. West, in its arrogance, at least partly lost this control, so....

Accusing the West of arrogance while claiming loftily that signatures under international agreements don't matter if you don't like it is so ironic that it may come periliously close to bending space-time. 😁

[Yama]

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So that looks like 4 Stormshadow was used, not 2 as I'd previously thought. Also, any inaccuracy problems that were held against it, would seem to have been solved....

Russian source claimed that 10 missiles were fired total, 7 of which were shot down. If true, that would be largest SS attack by Ukrainians. Missile shotdown claims are always subject to exaggeration and plain old honest miscounting. Any way, it does look like the sub was hit by 2 missiles, and Minsk by at least one.

[Roman Alymov]

Meanwhile central Donetsk under HIMARS strikes, as usual. "Arrivals" is direct translation of Russian slang for incoming shells, "volfram" is tungsten

 

[Stefan Kotsch]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

1 hour ago, Rob Veenendaal said:

So, basically, you are saying that anything signed by Russian leaders holds zero value since Russia has every right to ignore signed agreements at will.

I mean documents signed by colonial administration (and Russian elite is de-facto colonial administration of West) are only valid as long as colony is under control of colonial power. West, in its arrogance, at least partly lost this control, so....

Is this satire?

[Markus Becker]

2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

I mean documents signed by colonial administration (and Russian elite is de-facto colonial administration of West) are only valid as long as colony is under control of colonial power. West, in its arrogance, at least partly lost this control, so....

Do you really believe nukes are not flying because of signatures on paper?

Dude, he's what passes for a gubbermint in your place for the last 20 years. 

Wrt nukes, please spare me this lame threat. It got old a year ago. 

[mkenny]

10 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Cyberpank in action: robotic MG platforms (tracked) in use supporting Russian infantry near Kupiansk https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/29270

Obviously stolen western technology, copied from Aliens?

 

 

[Markus Becker]

On 9/17/2023 at 8:20 PM, ink said:

No offense to anyone who watches this stuff but I find this guy particularly guilty of this: this video could comfortably be five minutes long and still contain all the same information 

And the short summary is?

[Roman Alymov]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Words fail me.

 

Seems like this reel is not present on YouTube, so here it is with synpopsys in Russian https://by.tsargrad.tv/news/minoborony-rossii-napugalo-vsu-reklamnym-rolikom-kiev-my-vernjom_869678?ysclid=lmpd21k192756046915

"The published video shows footage of trench warfare involving the Russian military in the special operation zone. One of the fighters turns to his comrade-in-arms with a question whether he knows where the "Pechersk Pagorbs* in Kiev" are located.

This is the center, my aunt lives there. Cool neighborhood. Why?

our soldier in the trench asks him a counter question. "I have a dream, I want to buy an apartment there," says a Russian soldier and picks up a machine gun, opening fire in return.

The war will end, we will return Kiev, I will move my family there,

the soldier finishes the thought on the final frames of the video. On the screen saver that appears, cities are listed in large letters: Kiev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, etc. and the inscription "Choose the city of your dreams". The video ends with the words of the second serviceman:

And I'm going to Odessa, I love the sea."

* - Pechora hills, historic center of Kiev. A little bit not logicval for soldier to not know where it is, but seems like screenplay is like that....

    Nice to see that at least regional recuritment offices (this reel is made by one in Simferopol, Crimea) are now openly acknowleging something our top officials are shy to pronounce: Ukraine is Russia. And if somebody feel bad about Russian soldiers choosing where to live in Russia - well, it is his personal problems.

[Mike1158]

3 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Accusing the West of arrogance while claiming loftily that signatures under international agreements don't matter if you don't like it is so ironic that it may come periliously close to bending space-time. 😁

At the very least, it's right on the edged of the warped speed continuum.  Other mind altering chemicals available.

[Yama]

On 9/17/2023 at 6:05 PM, Dark_Falcon said:

That post only mentions uniforms, not armor plates.

Also, body armour for pregnant women exists already. Especially in a war where cities can be targeted by missiles, it's not hard to see utility for them.

[Yama]

1 hour ago, Markus Becker said:

And the short summary is?

"Not everything is terrible." That would be $5, thank you

[crazyinsane105]

5 hours ago, glenn239 said:

I don't think there are huge line ups of Ukrainian women asking to fight in combat, so the inference seems to be that Zelensky is now so desperate that he's going to draft women against their will and send them into combat.  

 

 

No indication that Ukraine is about to enlist women soldiers via mobilization. There are still decent number of men left to mobilize, but doing so will only yield very limited gains because Ukraine and the West doesn’t have the necessary capacity to give the training they need. 
 

Women who are in the front lines or rear are there by choice. I don’t expect there to be significant numbers of them though

[crazyinsane105]

5 hours ago, Yama said:

Russian source claimed that 10 missiles were fired total, 7 of which were shot down. If true, that would be largest SS attack by Ukrainians. Missile shotdown claims are always subject to exaggeration and plain old honest miscounting. Any way, it does look like the sub was hit by 2 missiles, and Minsk by at least one.

Submarine is a complete write off, way too heavily damaged to be put back to use. Just getting the sub out of the port will be a logistical challenge itself, and unsure whether the Russians will attempt this while the war continues 

Looks like this was the penetration warhead from Storm Shadow that hit the submarine. Which means significant interior damage 

I believe many navies around the world are taking note on how an opponent with a rather small handful of guided weapons can wreck significant havoc on a superior force 

Edited September 18 by crazyinsane105

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, crazyinsane105 said:

No indication that Ukraine is about to enlist women soldiers via mobilization.

That's the sole potential concern I have with the story.   Body armor for female volunteers is perfectly fine.

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Words fail me.

 

Technically, at least several tens of thousands of Russians have already received free plots of land including in the Kyiv oblast. 

This is part of a 2022 government funded program called Operatsia Myasorubka.

Edited September 18 by Mighty_Zuk

[crazyinsane105]

38 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Technically, at least several tens of thousands of Russians have already received free plots of land including in the Kyiv oblast. 

This is part of a 2022 government funded program called Operatsia Myasorubka.

Had to read that twice to fully understand what you were saying 😂