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56 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

There were allegations they hit an air defence site, before employing the stormshadows against Sevastapol. I wonder if this indicates a generate effort towards taking out military targets in Crimea from this point on.

Could be, but that in turn means that the offensive has failed.

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No, not necessarily. As already said, traffic via rail in southern Ukraine is falling off a cliff. Its too close to the front line. Attacks in crimea are just going after the same traffic going the long way around.

Incidentally,  the Ukrainians ate also going after Russian shipping at sea supporting the war effort.

 

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6 hours ago, RETAC21 said:

Oh, but it's not a warship anymore, the Russian navy can decommission it and it will become scrap :D

You need to think like a lawyer.

This trick was played by China when taking what was "Riga" aircraft carrier out of Ukraine. Was officially decomissioned and sold to become floating casino....

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3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

This trick was played by China when taking what was "Riga" aircraft carrier out of Ukraine. Was officially decomissioned and sold to become floating casino....

Well, Riga/Varyag was never completed nor commissioned. The issue with her was that she didn't have propulsion and the Turks were not keen to have it part ways with the tug in the straits, as she eventually did in the Aegean.

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3 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Twatter is twatting about S-400 complex destroyed with Neptunes/UAVs in Crimea.

Twatter is hardly a source. According to satelite photos ( https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97500 ) there is one burn mark on S-300 position near Evpatoria, not clear what was  - may be TEL fire as result of hit or mailfunction, or just grass fire (as it is peak of dry season before autumn rains). Anyway, it is not "S-400 complex destroyed" as complex is dozens of vehicles, not one.

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7 hours ago, TonyE said:

There's multiple floating drydocks in Novorossiysk, one of which is repairing the Olenegorsky Gornyak at the moment.

The problem is Black Sea ship repair facilities are generally very weak  - first they were hit by fleet separation, when Fleet's main base in Sevastopol was supposed to be left abroad, so everything was scrapped by independent Ukraine owners, then in Russia land near warm sea became too expencive to have anything except hotels profitable there.... Only massive efforts of Rus Gov since earky 2010th somehow improved the situation, but still there is no plant on Black Sea that could properly repair badly damaged submarine. So most likely it will be left to "after the war", as the very need for Russia to have submarines on Black Sea is, let's say, not obvious - land-mased anti0ship missiles in Crimea are well able to reach every corner of the sea.

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1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Bit of Tcut, that will buff right out.

Central superstructure has been destroyed and collapsed entirely. No obvious paint damage or deformation in hull, so fire likely did not reach below decks.

Ship is rebuildable, no economic sense to do so though. But navies sometimes do that for prestige reasons to avoid admitting loss.

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2 minutes ago, Yama said:

Central superstructure has been destroyed and collapsed entirely. No obvious paint damage or deformation in hull, so fire likely did not reach below decks.

Ship is rebuildable, no economic sense to do so though. But navies sometimes do that for prestige reasons to avoid admitting loss.

Somewhat similar to USS Belknap:

USS_Belknap_collision_damage.jpg

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