George Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 34 minutes ago, Perun said: Do you have link for source In the past I never heard anything about cossacks raping or torturing people. Though the cossack military units were considered to be lawless (they followed their own rules) and untrustworthy (there was a story about them attacking an allied unit). I understand they were going to be forced to disband at one point with some of their commanders arrested and vehicles and equipment seized. They ended up not disbanding and were kept in rear lines. I imagine the new units will be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I wouldn't go that far. Otoh, it seemed calculated to cause as much distress to Israel as possible, for reasons I cannot possibly fathom. Perhaps there are no reasons, just actions in the place of calculation. Is very Putin. If Russia does not apologize convincingly, it makes it very likely that Israeli weapons will become available to the Ukrainians. TB.2 is a challenge, but HAROP and Spike NLOS are much bigger game changers. And on the political side, it makes standing with Russians increasingly more difficult for non-western countries, especially if Russia does not back down and adds fuel to the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 32 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Nazi GAY Jews.... You say that like it never happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrybk Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: It was this from the very beginning that made me question a LOT of Ukrainian claims, unless they were verified by other sources. I think the whole thing would actually make for a great academic thesis about social media etc., but it's my understanding that it came out of some rando posting some video game footage and it just kind of snowballed from there? Happy to be corrected if wrong but I don't think it was a concerted effort by the Ukr government (although I guess Snake Island was). Although I guess a counter-argument is that the internets are full of people who you'd assume would be experts but believe all kinds of bullshit, as long as it aligns with what they want to believe. (Like, that video RETAC posted was actually by an ex-F14 pilot??!) Edited May 2, 2022 by Angrybk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, BansheeOne said: You say that like it never happens! Well there is someone determined to tick all lifes boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, seahawk said: If Russia does not apologize convincingly, it makes it very likely that Israeli weapons will become available to the Ukrainians. TB.2 is a challenge, but HAROP and Spike NLOS are much bigger game changers. And on the political side, it makes standing with Russians increasingly more difficult for non-western countries, especially if Russia does not back down and adds fuel to the fire. Do you think this will have an impact in Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Tank battle, part of the Ukrainian crew bails out after a hit. A video of the ineffectual use of combat helicopters as some sort of artillery: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Do you think this will have an impact in Germany? Practically no, simply because Germany has not much it could do. Marders are largely blocked by the Swiss blocking the transfer of the 20mm ammo. The Leo1 are also needing another country to donate the ammo. Politically it won´t make much difference either, as support for Russia is limited to fringe left and fringe right, which both have no problems with antisemitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Do you think this will have an impact in Germany? It's mostly just reinforcing convictions everyone has already settled into since the invasion. The anti-Putin camp will see it as another point signifying the spiral of the Russian government into fascist nutterdom. The pro-Putin camp will either ignore or quietly agree with it. One take I just saw was that it may have actually been purposefully aimed at alienating Israel to sabotage them acting as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine, as has been suggested by some. I don't know if that makes sense, but at this point I'm prepared to not ascribe to Russian political stupidity what can be explained by malice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, BansheeOne said: It's mostly just reinforcing convictions everyone has already settled into since the invasion. The anti-Putin camp will see it as another point signifying the spiral of the Russian government into fascist nutterdom. The pro-Putin camp will either ignore or quietly agree with it. One take I just saw was that it may have actually been purposefully aimed at alienating Israel to sabotage them acting as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine, as has been suggested by some. I don't know if that makes sense, but at this point I'm prepared to not ascribe to Russian political stupidity what can be explained by malice. The antisemitic tendencies have shone through before, so I think this was more a case of the mask dropping, than anything intentional or calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrybk Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, seahawk said: The antisemitic tendencies have shone through before, so I think this was more a case of the mask dropping, than anything intentional or calculated. I think it’s just that the Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with the Western definition of Nazi, it basically just means “bad guys”. It’s like “Islamofascist” Edited May 2, 2022 by Angrybk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Daan said: A video of the ineffectual use of combat helicopters as some sort of artillery: This has been discussed already, it's a SOP rather than some sort of improvised tactic. We have seen videos of Ukrainian helicopters using the same method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Daan said: Tank battle, part of the Ukrainian crew bails out after a hit. A video of the ineffectual use of combat helicopters as some sort of artillery: The helicopter use is interesting, because I’ve seen plenty of videos of Russian helicopters actually providing good fire support, and then other videos like this. Also saw a Ukrainian Mi-24 doing the same exact thing. Not sure what to make of it, and if it either points to a larger trend or just relegated to certain units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daan said: A video of the ineffectual use of combat helicopters as some sort of artillery: This has been explained by the numerous western hello pilots as a more-less sop to extend range of rockets, minimize exposure and increase angle of impact of rockets. It was also noted as used numerous times in Iraq and Afghanistan by US. With FCS as on Mi-35M, Ka-52 and Mi-28 it is a valid tactic, since FCS will automatically fire rockets as required angle is reached. Manually doing it (older models of hind) it is much less effective. Edited May 2, 2022 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, bojan said: This has been explained by the numerous western hello pilots as a more-less sop to extend range of rockets, minimize exposure and increase angle of impact of rockets. Used has been used numerous times in Iraq and Afghanistan by US. It mostly depends on the target and the warhead used. Point targets with conventional HE warheads, this is mostly ineffective. Dispersed targets like infantry with flechette warheads, it is highly effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandeb48 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 pro russian: WAR IN UKRAINE DAY 68: CHANGING STRATEGIES LEAD TO RESULTS ON THE GROUND The conflict in Ukraine is gaining momentum. On the front lines in the Donbas, the People’s Militias of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, with the support of the Russian Army, are achieving tactical successes, but face fierce resistance from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In the Kharkiv region, to the north of the city of Kharkiv, fighting for control over the village of Russkaya Lozovaya continues. Ukrainian sources claimed their control of the AFU over the village. In their turn, Russian media reported the Russian control over the settlement a day before. The official confirmations by any side are yet to be provided. In fact, fierce clashes continue in the area. Russian forces do not carry out any assault operations in the region. Positional battles also continue in the Zolochevskiy region to the north-east of the city of Kharkiv, near Stary Saltov on the Severskiy Donets River, as well as near the town of Chuguev located to the south-east of Kharkiv. The AFU are attempting to counter-attack and repel Russian forces from the fortified areas in the Tsirkuni and Cherkasski Tishki. The Ukrainian military command is trying to gain a foothold in the area, but the AFU are suffering major losses. On the other hand, the concentration of Ukrainian forces in the north-east of Kharkiv, in the area of Tsirkuni, reduced the AFU capabilities to the north of the city in the area of Kozachia Lopan. According to unconfirmed reports, the Russian Armed Forces managed to recapture the villages of Turovo and Makarovo to the south of the town located near the Russian border. The Russian Defense Ministry stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces deployed artillery near Tsupovka in the Kharkiv Region to shell civilians evacuating via a humanitarian corridor from Kharkiv to the west. So far, the situation in the Kharkiv region remains stable. No strategic advances by any of the warring sides have been confirmed. The Russian grouping in the region is not aimed at taking control of the city of Kharkiv, but at the distraction of Ukrainian forces from the Izyum area, where the Russian offence continues. On the Izyum front lines, the Russian Army is advancing slowly but steadily. To the west of Izyum there are battles for Bolshaya Kamyshevaha. To the south, fighting continues in Kurulka and Pashkovo. Fighting continues in the area north of the Barvenkovo-Slaviansk highway. The village of Dovghenkoe reportedly came under the Russian control. One of the hotspots in the region is the area near the Oskol reservoir, where about a thousand AFU soldiers fell into operational encirclement and are deprived of supplies. Fighting also continues in the area of Yampol and Krasny Liman. Having completed the mop up operations in Yampol, Russian and LPR troops have reached the outskirts of Liman from the southeast. Fire control over the Liman-Raygorodok road has been established. After the mop up operation in Krasny Liman is completed, Russian forces will likely move towards the village of Nikolaevka. The village is of strategic importance as it is located on a hill on the eastern outskirts of Slavyansk. The Russian troops are aimed to create an operational encirclement of the towns of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk the main hotspot of the war in the Donbass region since 2014. Meanwhile, in the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk region, Russian and LPR troops continue their advance in the town of Rubizhne. After the residential areas were secured, the LPR People’s Militia has recently taken control of the industrial zone in the town, where the fortified area was used as the main stronghold of Ukrainian forces. Security operations in the town continue. The LPR servicemen are now clearing the city of mines and checking the basements of buildings for remains of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Despite clashes on the outskirts, civilians in the town feel save and leave their basements. The Rubizhne-Severodonetsk-Lysychansk region is one of the most difficult front lines in Eastern Ukraine. At the same time, these territories are of strategic importance. The AFU grouping in Lysychansk and Severodonetsk is close to suffer lack of supplies, as the Russian Air Force are constantly hitting weapons and fuel depots in this area. In the Donetsk People’s Republic, the front lines remain almost unchanged. Positional battles are taking place in Horlivka. Several Ukrainian UAVs have been recently destroyed in the area. Popasna The mop up operation of the LPR continues in the town of Popasna. A large warehouse with AFU weapons was recently blown up in the town. The footage from the area shows Russian Ka-52 Alligator reconnaissance attack helicopters pounding AFU positions near Popasna. The town was badly affected by month-long military operations. In the city of Mariupol, evacuation of civilians from the Azovstal facilities continues. On April 30 and May 1, 80 civilians could leave the plant. According to various military analyses, at the beginning of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, the joint Russian, LPR and DPR forces were aimed at double encirclement of the AFU grouping in Donbass. The first line of encirclement should cut off the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk region by Russian troops advancing from the Liman and Popasna directions. The second line should cut off the whole AFU grouping deployed in the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk region by Russian forces advancing from Izyum in the North and from Donetsk or even Velika Novoselka in the south. The quantity of Russian troops deployed in Eastern Ukraine seems to be insufficient for such a military operation. Taking into account the recent military developments, including the ongoing advance of LPR troops towards Liman, in the direction of Slavyansk and the increase of military activities of the DPR troops near Horlivka, the strategy of the Russian military command has changed. Russian forces will likely attempt to encircle the towns of Slavyansk/Kramatorsk by Russian/LPR troops from Izyum and Liman as well as the towns of Bakhmut/Soledar by Russian/DPR/LPR troops from Horlivka and Popasna. The control over these areas would cut off the main roads of supply of the AFU grouping in Severodonetsk/Lisichansk. On the southern Vasilievka-Orekhov-Gulyaypole front lines, there are no particular changes. Fighting continues on the approaches to Gulyaypole and the settlements to the east. The AFU are preparing for further Russian advance in the Dnipropetrovsk region. In the Kherson region, at the moment there is a Russian offensive along the Kherson-Mykolaiv border line. The AFU military command is preparing for the Russian advance on Kriviy Rih from the Kherson region. Particularly, dense strikes are being carried out in Velyka Oleksandrivka in the northern part of the Kherson region. The strike may signal of an upcoming Russian assault on the village. Coming closer to the city of Kryvyi Rih, Russian forces will threaten the AFU military supplies in the region. However, at the moment, the Russian grouping in the southern regions of Ukraine seems to be insufficient for any major offensive operations. In the south of the Kherson region, the main hotspots remain on the border of the Mykolaiv and Kherson regions. Ukrainian attempts to counterattack in the Kherson region ended unsuccessfully. In their turn, Russian forces are yet to claim control over the village of Oleksandrivka located on the coast of the Dnieper estuary. LINK In the case of the increase of hostilities in the region, Russian forces could deploy their military equipment on a kind of a peninsula to the south of the Dnieper estuary in the villages of Vasilivka for example. In this case, the Russian artillery could support the Russian advance along the coast and shell AFU positions in Oleksandrivka and the town of Ochakiv. In Odessa, the AFU are preparing for hostilities in the case of a Russian breakthrough near Mykolaiv. On the foreign policy contour of the military operation, active assistance from NATO countries to Ukrainian Armed Forces continues. Judging by the fact that the embassies of seven countries (six NATO countries and Israel) have now called on their citizens to leave Transnistria and Moldova, one can assume that the countdown for the start of cooperation between Kyiv and Chisinau has started. Germany continues its planned deliveries of military equipment to Ukraine. The video shows the Pzh-2000 SAU and the American MLRS m270 MLRS. Poland has already transferred about 200 T-72 tanks, dozens of howitzers, drones, rockets, and grenade launchers to Ukraine. Warsaw lost half of its tank arsenal in favor of Kyiv, as the country reportedly had about 400 such vehicles. Warsaw has already transferred arms worth $7 billion to Ukraine, including self-propelled howitzers, grenade launchers, air-to-air missiles, drones, and ammunition. Ukraine is likely to receive more equipment through the U.S. lend-lease, which the U.S. has recently voted for: 4th generation F-16 C/D multifunction light fighters, HIMARS wheeled multiple rocket launchers, M109A6 Paladin self-propelled artillery systems, M270 MLRS multi-purpose MLRS launcher, M2A3 Bradley US infantry fighting vehicles, NASAMS 2 mobile Norwegian SAM system, M1A2 Abrams third-generation tanks, Patriot SAMs. Following the “lend-lease law” for the AFU adopted in the USA, supplies will start very soon. Moreover, to do it as quickly as possible, weapons and military equipment will be transported to Ukraine from among those that are in Poland and Romania. Thus, the Ukrainians may receive the first samples of armament already in a week or even earlier. The tactics of the Russian Army and the AFU have changed. The last five weeks of the Russian military operation were marked the dramatically reduced losses of the Russian Army, both in killed/injured and prisoners of war. The reason is that the initial tactic of primarily rapid advance has been abandoned and replaced by the tactic of crushing which supposes a slow advance following artillery shelling and airstrikes. Before each subsequent Ukrainian defensive line, the ground advance stops, and artillery and aviation take over the leading role. After the defending Ukrainian forces either retreat or surrender, the advance resumes. One should not expect quick spectacular breakthroughs, but the final result will be more reliable. The emphasis is on grinding of the AFU’s manpower. The AFU, on the other hand, uses slightly different tactics. Large groups of less trained fighters are used as a cannon fodder. First, they are sent to the front line to provoke Russian fire and detect Russian positions. Then Ukrainian fighters open return fire. https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-68-changing-strategies-lead-to-results-on-the-ground/ pro ukraine: Invasion Day 67 – Summary (yesterday) 01/05/2022 Jerome Ukraine The summary of the 67th day of Russian invasion to Ukraine, as of 22:00 – 1st of May 2022 (Kyiv time). Day summary: Russian forces have made gains in the area of Lyman and Velyka Novosilka, but the progress is relatively slow. Ukrainian troops continue its defensive war and prepare for possible Russian offensive operation towards Kryvyi Rih and Mykolaiv. In Russian Kursk Oblast, saboteurs blow up a railway bridge. Kharkiv Frontline includes the area of Kharkiv and Chuhuiv partly sunny | ~13 °C Shelling: Udy, Prudianka, the outskirts of Kharkiv, Stary Saltiv Ukrainian artillery shelled Russian positions at Stary Saltiv and the town might soon be a target for Ukrainian offensive in the area. Just to remind you, the bridge at Stary Saltiv was destroyed in early March. Siverskyi Donets includes the area of Slovyansk, Kramatorsk and Bakhmut partly sunny | ~16 °C Shelling: M-03 highway (Izium – Slovyansk), Dovhenke, Krymky, Oleksandrivka, Lyman, Yampil, Ozerna, Rubizhne, Popasna Russian troops captured Yatsivka, Koroviy Yar and are advancing in the direction of Krymky and Oleksandrivka. Ukrainian elements of 81st Airmobile Brigade have withdrawn from the area west of Yatsivka to Svyatohirsk. In the area of Lyman, Russian troops are advancing towards Ozerne through the forests. The situation at Yampil is unclear at this moment. The fighting continues in Rubizne and Popasna. South-Eastern Front includes Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia Oblast partly sunny | ~19 °C Donetsk Oblast Shelling: Zelene Pole, Vremivka, Velyka Novosilka, Novomykhailivka, Marinka, Avdiivka Russian troops have advanced towards Velyka Novosilka and reached the outskirts of Vremivka. The Russian attempt to break through Ukrainian lines at Novomykhailivka and Marinka wasn’t successful. Zaporizhzhia Oblast Shelling: Orikhiv There was no change on the ground in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. Azovstal includes the Azovstal Plant in Mariupol partly sunny | ~19 °C More than 100 civilians have been evacuated from the Azovstal plant today. In the evening, immediately after the agreed ceasefire ended, Russian troops attacked the plant. The evacuation should continue tomorrow. It has become known that an element (possibly a battalion) of 21st Brigade of Ukrainian National Guard defends Azovstal plant alongside other Ukrainian units. Kherson Frontline includes the vicinity of Kherson and Mykolaiv partly sunny | ~18 °C Mykolaiv Oblast There was no change on the ground in Mykolaiv Oblast. Kherson Oblast Shelling: Nova Zoria, Oleksandrivka, Osokorivka, Trudoliubivka There was no change on the ground in Kherson Oblast. Russian troops are reportedly amassing more and more forces at the regional border of Kherson and prepare to launch an offensive operation towards Mykolaiv and Kryvyi Rih. Maps and article are based on the following sources: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, official channels of Ukrainian regional administrations, Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs, Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), press released of Russian Army, DPR and LPR (taken with a grain of salt) https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasion-day-67-summary/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Just now, seahawk said: ...Point targets with conventional HE warheads, this is mostly ineffective. Dispersed targets like infantry with flechette warheads, it is highly effective. Anything non-armored in the "box" has high chance of being damaged when firing HE. It is noted as particularly effective vs soft targets in the forested areas, where rockets exploding in the treetops create airburst effect. PS. S-8 series has S-8S with 2000 flechettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, seahawk said: The antisemitic tendencies have shone through before, so I think this was more a case of the mask dropping, than anything intentional or calculated. 1 hour ago, BansheeOne said: It's mostly just reinforcing convictions everyone has already settled into since the invasion. The anti-Putin camp will see it as another point signifying the spiral of the Russian government into fascist nutterdom. The pro-Putin camp will either ignore or quietly agree with it. One take I just saw was that it may have actually been purposefully aimed at alienating Israel to sabotage them acting as a mediator between Russia and Ukraine, as has been suggested by some. I don't know if that makes sense, but at this point I'm prepared to not ascribe to Russian political stupidity what can be explained by malice. Thaǹk's to both of you's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Old tyres again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 52 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: The helicopter use is interesting, because I’ve seen plenty of videos of Russian helicopters actually providing good fire support, and then other videos like this. Also saw a Ukrainian Mi-24 doing the same exact thing. Not sure what to make of it, and if it either points to a larger trend or just relegated to certain units As Bojan says, it can be effective, and they certainly are training to do it. I shall have to try it out in the Dcs KA50. It would be completely unworkable in the Mi24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mistral said: Old tyres again The highlight for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 On 5/1/2022 at 3:07 PM, bojan said: PPS. I was surprised to learn that US practically has no has F&F Hellfires left, last Ls (only ones that were F&F) were produced in about early 2000s, so 20 years shelf life is ending soon. This might explain why they are experimenting with Spike. Spike that US is putting in their AH64 have 30km range and can be fired behind a hill, it is another class not comparable to Hellfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Russia gives up territory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P Lakowski Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 hours ago, seahawk said: Practically no, simply because Germany has not much it could do. Marders are largely blocked by the Swiss blocking the transfer of the 20mm ammo. The Leo1 are also needing another country to donate the ammo. Politically it won´t make much difference either, as support for Russia is limited to fringe left and fringe right, which both have no problems with antisemitism. Ahhh but isn't Leo 1 ammo is mostly of Israeli license design knockoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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