Der Zeitgeist Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Here's the PDF printout of the article in its original form: https://anonfiles.com/dc7aU4P9xa/_-_KP.Ru_pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I was joking about the tractors Yama. It was a perfectly legitimate target for Russia to strike, the Ukrainians were hiding weapons in the mall, the Russians blew it up. But for 5 vehicle? Come on. They don't have infinite rounds, and piddling them away in targets like this smacks of desperation. If it was a HQ, it would make perfect sense. But it wasnt. It was a least a full battery and night also have houses a lot more or at least significant ammunition stocks. Seems like an Islander worthy target to me, if that was what was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) And here is the Web Archive version: https://web.archive.org/web/20220321131726/https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/ Edited March 21, 2022 by Der Zeitgeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Der Zeitgeist said: Here's the PDF printout of the article in its original form: https://anonfiles.com/dc7aU4P9xa/_-_KP.Ru_pdf That site wants to install some 'unpacking .exe', no thank you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Der Zeitgeist said: Here's the PDF printout of the article in its original form: https://anonfiles.com/dc7aU4P9xa/_-_KP.Ru_pdf Trying to download that swamps me with all kinds of survey questions and "you won!" notices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, Yama said: That site wants to install some 'unpacking .exe', no thank you... Sorry, couldn't find a good anonymous file hosting site. Anyway, it's still on the Web Archive in its original form: https://web.archive.org/web/20220321131726/https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yama said: Any way, since it was from official briefing, it would not be exclusive for KP. Stop inserting logic, it might hurt people's feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Map of surface currents in Black Sea, to give idea where sea mines laid by pro-Ukrainians off Odessa may go to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 10,000 seems like a lot. If that is the real number than things are almost as bad as the UA would have you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Web archive, first upload: https://web.archive.org/web/20220321121337/https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, RETAC21 said: A handful, mostly prototypes. They have small number of Orion drones, and probably bit bigger amount of armed variant of Forpost drones: and some suicide drones as well. So not a lot, but it's not like Ukraine has tons of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Roman Alymov said: Map of surface currents in Black Sea, to give idea where sea mines laid by pro-Ukrainians off Odessa may go to Typically mines are moored or bottom, though the former can sometimes break free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Josh said: It was a least a full battery and night also have houses a lot more or at least significant ammunition stocks. Seems like an Islander worthy target to me, if that was what was used. Taking into account the damage that could be inflicted even by single well aimed Grad BM-21 vehicle strike, even one vehicle is worth destruction. Anyway, i think it is way cheaper than LGB delivered by F-15 flying from thousands of kilometers away with two in-flight refuelings - and all this to destroy mud brick house in the middle of nowhere, with high chances it is empty or is packed with another tribal wedding..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 16 hours ago, txtree99 said: As a former airmen, I will ask the snake eaters what they think Appears to be just the helmet liner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Map of surface currents in Black Sea, to give idea where sea mines laid by pro-Ukrainians off Odessa may go to A good reason for Turkey to work with Russia to crush the separatists in the Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Pro-Rus mortar position near Donetsk https://t.me/boris_rozhin/35048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said: Web archive, first upload: https://web.archive.org/web/20220321121337/https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4672522/ -The article is dated yesterday, it covers Sunday's briefing. There is no mention that it is 'recently updated' or anything. If this was published yesterday, it would have been all over the news yesterday. -There is a link to official briefing (again, Sunday), which makes no mention of casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Pro-Rus mortar position near Donetsk https://t.me/boris_rozhin/35048 Please use Russian or forces of unity for the good guys and separatists or fascists for the bad guys. Thank you. Edited March 21, 2022 by seahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Peter Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Yama said: How come? US Army has frequently shot ATACMS at similar or lesser targets. MLRS's are valuable (assuming they were still there, of course). Collateral damage seems considerable, even though the hit was dead-on....was the mall still in civilian use? https://t.me/milinfolive/79258 https://t.me/milinfolive/79299 https://t.me/milinfolive/79259 Sure there were more than just 5 Grad launchers 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Still they did more damage than the 100+ Tomahawk that reached that Syrian warehouse ... 30 minutes ago, RETAC21 said: With their non-existant armed drones, i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, seahawk said: A good reason for Turkey to work with Russia to crush the separatists in the Ukraine. Too late, mines allready in the water. Taking into account Rus Navy ships operate in open view from Odessa port, it was not helpful to pro-Ukrainian coastal defence, but still the danger for shipping. Beaches were covered with AT landmines - this mines are now likely to be washed away and quite likely to be washed out somewhere in Romania or Bulgaria.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Yama said: The article is dated yesterday This was the web archive first snap shot from 12:13:37 21.03.2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Stefan Kotsch said: This was the web archive first snap shot from 12:13:37 21.03.2022 Yes, the wayback machine is not instantaneous. The article itself has a date of March 20, so does the briefing it refers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Patrick Lancaster in Mariupol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KV7 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, Josh said: It was a least a full battery and night also have houses a lot more or at least significant ammunition stocks. Seems like an Islander worthy target to me, if that was what was used. Certainly, though using Iskander and not just KAB-500 or similar seems to show that the airforce does not have the confidence to make such attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Too late, mines allready in the water. Taking into account Rus Navy ships operate in open view from Odessa port, it was not helpful to pro-Ukrainian coastal defence, but still the danger for shipping. Beaches were covered with AT landmines - this mines are now likely to be washed away and quite likely to be washed out somewhere in Romania or Bulgaria.... Unlikely, at best they will migrate, perhaps a couple hundred metres. Moored sea mines that lose their moorings will be a threat for years. The Brits are still having active WWII sea mines was up on their beaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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