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12 hours ago, Gromit said:

The people of Ukraine have ZERO interest in being ruled by a fascist dictator in Moscow!

Agreed, after suffering under a fascist regime, they will surely be happy to be ruled by a wise leader like Putin.

5 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Footage of attack but no human bodies.

Nice. ERA worked and the attacking roaches were crushed.

 

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9 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Agreed, after suffering under a fascist regime, they will surely be happy to be ruled by a wise leader like Putin.

"wise leader" that bankrupt his country in 2 weeks...

 

 

and no ERA did not work... that tank burned down... but thats what we can expect from you.. cutting videos short...

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1 hour ago, jaro said:

No. They said they wont come to help... Decision not to fight, was solely on our (Czechoslovak) government.. and it was a bad one. Czechoslovak army could effectively fight Germans, it had equipment superiority in practically everything besides fighter aircraft...  

And what more do you need?Czechoslovak delegation was outside conference room, they were aloved in only to sign document. 

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Can you guys please move your WWII discussion to another thread. There's a whole military history section on this forum.

 

Thanks 🙂

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7 hours ago, glenn239 said:

I thought the latest news is that the Russians are just going to operate the McDonalds and ignore the proprietary rights.  The supply chains and labor being local.

Yes, they are going to call it 'McStalins', and each burger will be full of genuine 100 percent horse. Im Mcloving it.

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36 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Agreed, after suffering under a fascist regime, they will surely be happy to be ruled by a wise leader like Putin.

Nice. ERA worked and the attacking roaches were crushed.

 

It didnt. If you watch the longer video, you can see the crew bailing out, and the tank trundling on down the road a couple of hundred yards before exploding. They also killed a BTR82.

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5 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It didnt. If you watch the longer video, you can see the crew bailing out, and the tank trundling on down the road a couple of hundred yards before exploding. They also killed a BTR82.

He might talk about the other tank that took hit to the front hull and seems to survive?
 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Perun said:

Mate, sorry but please read more books. 

On which leadership do you mean? On Chamberlain and Halifax, on "better Hitler then Blum" leadership. 

Hitler didnt take Czechoslovakia it was given to him by England and France, Czechoslovakian allies. So at the end it seams that you are wrong and that "western" allies couldnt and shouldnt be trusted. 

After all who planed operation "Unthikable" while still in war with Germany and while still alied with SU?

Ok, couple of things. Please dont say 'England' when what you clearly mean is Britain. Its like calling Germans Prussians.

Secondly, I read a book recently that suggests that it was NOT quite as straightforward as everyone in the British Government selling the Czechs out. There was a considerable disagreement when Lord Halifax went to meet Hitler in 1937, to the point where Anthony Eden was throwing as many roadblocks out as he could to Halifax and Chamberlain, to the point of having someone in the Foreign Office inform the press before it happened.

 

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3 minutes ago, MiGG0 said:

He might talk about the other tank that took hit to the front hull and seems to survive?
 

 

 

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Again, good spot, I missed that.

Judging by the spot to that tank is about the same as that to the tank they hit, I think either that was NLAW used in the direct mode (which I dont understand, it would have been easy to go for a top attack like the other one). Or its something else, like RPG7 or RPG22.

As I understand, NLAW is only advised for direct attack against soft targets or possibly flank attacks. If they are using it that way frontally against a Tank, they screwed up. And probably died for it sadly, unless they have a far better emplaced firing positions than is evident from that angle.

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6 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Again, good spot, I missed that.

Judging by the spot to that tank is about the same as that to the tank they hit, I think either that was NLAW used in the direct mode (which I dont understand, it would have been easy to go for a top attack like the other one). Or its something else, like RPG7 or RPG22.

As I understand, NLAW is only advised for direct attack against soft targets or possibly flank attacks. If they are using it that way frontally against a Tank, they screwed up. And probably died for it sadly, unless they have a far better emplaced firing positions than is evident from that angle.

Agree, that RPG team probably was screwed even when they did manage to inflict damage. They have no where to retreat safely. My conscript time I was trained as a RPG team infantry (and as a tank gunner/loader for our company target practise) it seems very poor ambush position.

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5 hours ago, Colin said:

As for the Syrian troops, likley a good will gesture, 

Willkommenskultur. There is a lot of land to populate. 

49 minutes ago, jaro said:

 

Have he learned history ever? 

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9 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 I think either that was NLAW used in the direct mode (which I dont understand, it would have been easy to go for a top attack like the other one). Or its something else, like RPG7 or RPG22.

Are there videos out of NLAWs used NOT in direct attack mode, or Stingers WITHOUT smoke trails? 

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4 minutes ago, Adam Peter said:

Have he learned history ever? 

Never thought of Rachel Maddow as a defence-savvy comentator.

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2 minutes ago, Adam Peter said:

Are there videos out of NLAWs used NOT in direct attack mode, or Stingers WITHOUT smoke trails? 

That video first tank destroyed was wiht top attack mode. You can see missile continuing and hit berm otherside of road.

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5 minutes ago, Adam Peter said:

Are there videos out of NLAWs used NOT in direct attack mode, or Stingers WITHOUT smoke trails? 

Well the first one im convinced was top attack mode. But if you want a demonstration, there was this one given by SAAB.

 

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45 minutes ago, Doug said:

The new Era Russian comms system only works if there is 4G?? Surely that cannot be true!

Don't think it's something which is meant to be used for conventional war on foreign soil.

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5 hours ago, CValdor said:

No. But Allied Force is not the same as to what is happening in Ukraine in terms of political intent, and in any case they are both impressive feats.

End result might be the same though - loss of territory due to invasion.

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2 hours ago, jaro said:

"wise leader" that bankrupt his country in 2 weeks...

 

 

and no ERA did not work... that tank burned down... but thats what we can expect from you.. cutting videos short...

Amazing how well the burning tank keeps on course. The fire you see is probably just some stuff stored on the turret burning or a nice edit by the fascists liars in the Ukraine.

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8 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

That, and having blown up all the Cell Towers first....

Surprising how long it took  to start shutting down the civilian comms: maybe part of their initial 'no collateral damage' policy, even though it's a deadly risk for the invading force.

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Yes, its just one more example of them expecting to take Ukraine without a fight. No wonder there are increasing rumours he has arrested the senior FSB leadership, they probably told him what he wanted to hear.

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