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5 minutes ago, sunday said:

Let me restate the facts in a clearer format.

Molotov

Cocktail

Thrown

From a Civilian Car

At

A Russian Armored Personal Carrier, tracked.

There is a video in this same thread, I think.

 

5 minutes ago, sunday said:

Let me restate the facts in a clearer format.

Molotov

Cocktail

Thrown

From a Civilian Car

At

A Russian Armored Personal Carrier, tracked.

There is a video in this same thread, I think.

And how do those facts imply that an oligarch had anything to do with that specific, factual situation you cite?

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2 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Roman, I would not underestimate the Russian army's media game here.   There is someone calling the shots in your country's army that is not an idiot.

Yesterday I asked why the Russian army has allowed the Ukrainian internet and cell phone network to remain active.   Only one poster replied, and he said that maybe the Russian army  needs the Ukrainian cell towers to communicate.  I thought that was wrong immediately, but didn't have a better answer.

This morning I woke up with a better answer.  I think the Russian army is allowing Ukrainian social media to function unimpeded so that all the potential insurgents of later can be identified now as they post their war selfies and proclamations of resistance.  

 

I do not know. Actually this question "Why the hell Russian segment of Internet is full of pro-Ukrainian propaganda&@ was asked by many people here in Russia. My opinion is that Russian Army is ordered to inflict as little damage to everything non-military as possible (even removing flags of Ukraine is officially banned by direct order - only DNR/LNR officials allowed to do this), and cell phones and Internet are now almost as important part of infrastructure as roads. Lost of families and small businesses fully depend in their daily operations on internet and phone. So they were not targeted initially.

  But now, after all this attacks of Russian Internet, it might change - still, seems like it will be done in Israel way, with providing prior warning ro neighborhud residents to evacuate:

The Russian Federation will strike at the technological facilities of the SBU and the main center of the PSO in Kiev

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation calls on residents of Kiev living near relay nodes to leave their homes

The Russian military will strike at the center of information and psychological operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and technological facilities of the SBU. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The agency calls on citizens living nearby to leave their homes, reports TASS.

"In order to prevent information attacks against Russia, high-precision weapons will be struck at the technological facilities of the SBU and the 72nd main PSO center in Kiev," said Igor Konashenkov, an official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry.

He noted that since the beginning of the special operation, the number of information attacks on various state institutions of the Russian Federation has increased many times.

Russians are constantly receiving calls with threats of physical elimination, as well as about the mining of schools, kindergartens, train stations and other social infrastructure facilities.

"Information attacks on Russia are carried out by the 72nd main center for Information and Psychological operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine together with the cyber operations units of the SBU, using hardware and software complexes and communication facilities in Kiev," Konashenkov said.

He once again called on Kiev residents living near these facilities to leave their homes.

https://www.bfm.ru/news/494179

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1 minute ago, futon said:

Russia's might makes right protected by law? What exactly does that law about civilians not allowed to attack invading military vehicles mean? Civilians should accept Russia takeover because they won the military operation?

Seems someone needs a refreshment on the laws of warfare.

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Combatant is the legal status of an individual who has the right to engage in hostilities during an armed conflict. The legal definition of "combatant" is found at article 43(2) of Additional Protocol I (AP1) to the Geneva Conventions of 1949. It states that "Members of the armed forces of a Party to a conflict (other than medical personnel and chaplains covered by Article 33 of the Third Convention) are combatants, that is to say, they have the right to participate directly in hostilities."[1] Consequently, on the other hand combatants, as a rule, are legal targets themselves for the opposite side regardless the specific circumstances at hand, in other words, they can be attacked regardless of the specific circumstances simply due to their status, so as to deprive their side of their support.

In addition to having the right to participate in hostilities, combatants have the right to the status of prisoners of war when captured during an international armed conflict.[2] "While all combatants are obliged to comply with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, violations of these rules shall not deprive a combatant of his right to be a combatant or, if he falls into the power of an adverse Party, of his right to be a prisoner of war."[3]

If civilians want to fight enemy soldiers, they could always enlist, then wear some kind of distinctive clothing or emblem.

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4 hours ago, Josh said:

It's a damn stupid idea to give Ukraine fighters. It is an escalation by NATO that will just produce more shot of up aircraft in the best case scenario. There's nothing a MiG-29 is going to do to alter the situation outside provoke the Russians to engage NATO in some wa

I agree completely.  But you have to understand that neocon lunatics like David From would prefer to burn the house down than admit that their ideology is bankrupt in this particular circumstance.  So, you are going to see what we are seeing now, endless schemes by geniuses like Anne Applebaum, each designed to inch NATO towards Article 5.  

So now, you have a president who is trying to act rationally, but is increasingly exposed to lunatics.  My hope is actually the withdrawal from Kabul.  Joe stuck to his guns on that one.  I think he will here as well.

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2 minutes ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

And how do those facts imply that an oligarch had anything to do with that specific, factual situation you cite?

Well, when a oligarch-ruled government distributes weapons to civilians and publishes instructions on how to make and how to use things like Molotov cocktails, one could guess that government bears some responsibility, methinks.

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4 hours ago, Perun said:

I counted 13 Ukrainian brigades on this map, and Ukrainian army has 21 brigade (armored, mechanized, infantry, mountain). It is about 63% of Ukrainian army brigades just on Donbas front

If the map is accurate there is little doubt but that Zelensky was intending to attack the Donbass Pocket sometime this spring.  Why else would 13 out of 21 brigades in the Ukrainian army be placed in a position to be pocketed?

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Just now, sunday said:

Well, when a oligarch-ruled government distributes weapons to civilians and publishes instructions on how to make and how to use things like Molotov cocktails, one could guess that government bears some responsibility, methinks.

More over, Kiev announced plans to "temporary release prisoners with military experience" and arm them. Now Ukraine is full of de-facto gangs of Volkssturm-sort types shooting on each other and anybody who they believe is pro-Russian.

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1 minute ago, glenn239 said:

If the map is accurate there is little doubt but that Zelensky was intending to attack the Donbass Pocket sometime this spring.  Why else would 13 out of 21 brigades in the Ukrainian army be placed in a position to be pocketed?

Yeez, because somebody is threatening them to take the whole Donbas region??? If they expected full blown attack, they would place most of their forces around Dnipro river and let russians come in...run out of fuel, then counterattack.. 

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5 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

I agree completely.  But you have to understand that neocon lunatics like David From would prefer to burn the house down than admit that their ideology is bankrupt in this particular circumstance.  So, you are going to see what we are seeing now, endless schemes by geniuses like Anne Applebaum, each designed to inch NATO towards Article 5.  

So now, you have a president who is trying to act rationally, but is increasingly exposed to lunatics.  My hope is actually the withdrawal from Kabul.  Joe stuck to his guns on that one.  I think he will here as well.

 

 

as i said before.. our jets would not be of much help anyway... they are intentionally flying wreckages..

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2 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

If the map is accurate there is little doubt but that Zelensky was intending to attack the Donbass Pocket sometime this spring.  Why else would 13 out of 21 brigades in the Ukrainian army be placed in a position to be pocketed?

Glenn, we covered this. Because the Ukrainian Government retained half of Luhansk and Donbass, and because it was logical they would start there.

This was a war of aggression on Russia's part, pure and simple. They good as wrote it in the newspaper ffs. Stop spreading their stupid lies for them like a latterday Walter Duranty.

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3 minutes ago, jaro said:

 

 

as i said before.. our jets would not be of much help anyway... they are intentionally flying wreckages..

Shame. Maybe we can give them tranche1 Typhoons instead...

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8 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

He once again called on Kiev residents living near these facilities to leave their homes.

As for the Soviet Great Patriotic War, Russians are extremely proud of not having done it. And bravely faced the occupiers.

This is now the Ukrainian Great Patriotic War.

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4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Hope im wrong, but as I said to Glenn infinite times, the time to turn this war off with deterrence and resolve was long ago. We failed the test. Continuing the failed policies of the past of appeasing our likely aggressor by throwing our friends under the bus, denying the kit they ask for, is not going to work any better now.

Putin cannot be deterred.    

 

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1 hour ago, jaro said:

EU is the solution... Slovakia had some border disputes with Hungary 20 years back... but after we both joined EU, it all became completely pointless...

Exactly, kosovo should return to Serbia, which can then join EU and everyone is happy

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10 minutes ago, sunday said:

Seems someone needs a refreshment on the laws of warfare.

If civilians want to fight enemy soldiers, they could always enlist, then wear some kind of distinctive clothing or emblem.

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No problem, in the age of social networks your face is your emblem: the guys involved in drive-by Molotov coctail allready identified, and if they survive the war - quite likely they will get few years in prison (still, much better than being shot on spot, but Ukraine for Russia is not like Iraq for US)

https://t.me/panteri_panteri/17243

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11 minutes ago, sunday said:

Seems someone needs a refreshment on the laws of warfare.

If civilians want to fight enemy soldiers, they could always enlist, then wear some kind of distinctive clothing or emblem.

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Sounds like a stupid international law. Maybe it made sense in some cases. I can't find myself finding such fault agaisnt civilian molotov slingers in their home country. Don't you think it's bizarre?

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10 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Locals surprised to see Russian Christian and Muslim soldiers praying together

https://t.me/rybar/26691

Ukraine is predominantly Christian and it might be strange for them.

hmm, as far as I know Ukraine, there is Jewish community, quite big one, then there are Crimean tatars who are moslim but you  stole their land.. so i wouldn't say they are all Christian..

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6 minutes ago, Pleb said:

Exactly, kosovo should return to Serbia, which can then join EU and everyone is happy

Thats why me as a Slovak dont understand that whole nationalism in Balkans... we split with Czechs peacefully.. and everybody is happy and there is no bad blood between us.. but if you start shooting at each other.. after some time, it doesnt matter who opened fire first, you will hate each other permanently..

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2 minutes ago, futon said:

Sounds like a stupid international law. Maybe it made sense in some cases. I can't find myself finding such fault agaisnt civilian molotov slingers in their home country. Don't you think it's bizarre?

I find bizarre the atrocities perpetrated by the glorious armed services of the empire of Nippon in China, the Philippines, Burma, Malaysia, and all around the Pacific during WWII.

Probably the perpetrators thought the Geneva convention was another stupid international law.

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1 minute ago, jaro said:

Thats why me as a Slovak dont understand that whole nationalism in Balkan... we split with Czech peacefully.. and everybody is happy and there is no bad blood between us.. but if you start shooting at each other.. after some time, it doesnt matter who opened fire first, you will hate each other permanently..

Mainly because borders between Czechia and Slovakia were always known and set in stone even during Czechoslovakia

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12 minutes ago, jaro said:

Yeez, because somebody is threatening them to take the whole Donbas region??? If they expected full blown attack, they would place most of their forces around Dnipro river and let russians come in...run out of fuel, then counterattack.. 

Or the Ukraine army gets cut off then tries to retreat but undergoes Falaise Gap pt dieux.

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2 minutes ago, Pleb said:

Mainly because borders between Czechia and Slovakia were always known and set in stone even during Czechoslovakia

actually, not really.. they werent.. whole Moravia is quite mixed, and  there could be some historical claims about first kingdom of Slovians (from whom we are descended) called Great Moravia... even their dialect is a mix between Czech and Slovak language.. but it doesnt matter... nobody cares about borders when you are part of EU Shengen..  oh and btw, before WW2, we even had parts of western Ukraine as part of Czechoslovakia (zakarpatska ukrajina we call it), but after WW2, Stalin took that part from us..

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