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17 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I was watching this speech, and from the way his paper was twitching, id swear Lavrovs hands were shaking.

They don't look like they're shaking. However, his speech is about threat of Ukraine getting nuclear weapons.

 

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I think the Russian troops have been too tolerant of civilian presence. That drive-by throwing of a Molotov cocktail to an APC would have met with quite heavy fire in, for instance, Irak.

This could end with the Ukrainian civilians as cannon-fodder/human shields. Not a righteous move by the Ukr oligarchy, but a smart, of the ruthless and amoral type, move. 

 

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1 minute ago, sunday said:

I think the Russian troops have been too tolerant of civilian presence. That drive-by throwing of a Molotov cocktail to an APC would have met with quite heavy fire in, for instance, Irak.

This could end with the Ukrainian civilians as cannon-fodder/human shields. Not a righteous move by the Ukr oligarchy, but a smart, of the ruthless and amoral type, move. 

 

Ukrainian corruption doesn't justify Russian invasion. There are plenty of corrupt countries out there. Doesn't mean they ought to be invaded.

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, futon said:

Ukrainian corruption doesn't justify Russian invasion. There are plenty of corrupt countries out there. Doesn't mean they ought to be invaded.

Non sequitur, sorry. My post was about civilians taking the unlawful combatant role.

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Reports of Russian bomber aircraft shot and crashed near Losk market in Kharkiv

 

Su-34 were seen bombing the city, maybe they got one.. but didnt see any pictures yet

Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, sunday said:

Non sequitur, sorry. My post was about civilians putting themselves in the illegal combatant kind of people.

I don't understand what you mean. 

Obviously civilians blocking roads is a good sign that Russian invaders are not welcomed. Maybe they do so knowingly that they may be determined as some sort of 3rd catagory belligerent, oligarchy or not.

Russian invaders aren't in any seat to judge as to how tolerant they should or should not be. If there weren't video cameras with an internet connection to easy-to-trigger-globalMSM, the Russians probably would be far less tolerant.

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, futon said:

I don't understand what you mean. 

Obviously civilians blocking roads is a good sign that Russian invaders are not welcomed. Maybe they do so knowingly that they may be determined as some sort of 3rd catagory belligerent. 

Russian invaders aren't in any seat to judge as to how tolerant they should or should not be. If there weren't video cameras with an internet connection to easy-to-trigger-globalMSM, the Russians probably would be far less tolerant.

Civilians throwing a Molotov cocktail at an APC is clearly a hostile act against the laws of warfare, that is what I mean. Up to now, the Russian military has been acting in a most restrained way, treating civilians with kid gloves. That is not the usual Soviet modus operandi.

But if the Ukr oligarchy feels they need a bloodbath to earn cookie points in the international scene, then they will strive to have a bloodbath, even with their civilians providing the blood.

There was a reason for the British to not encourage a violent resistance in the German-occupied Channel Islands, after all.

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21 minutes ago, futon said:

They don't look like they're shaking. However, his speech is about threat of Ukraine getting nuclear weapons.

 

Yeah, sorry I missed you posted the video.

Yeah, maybe I was wrong then, though he certainly sweating  and twitching like a crack whore.

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, sunday said:

Civilians throwing a Molotov cocktail at an APC is clearly a hostile act against the laws of warfare, that is what I mean. Up to now, the Russian military has been acting in a most restrained way, treating civilians with kid gloves. That is not the usual Soviet modus operandi.

But if the Ukr oligarchy feels they need a bloodbath to earn cookie points in the international scene, they will strive to have a bloodbath with their civilians providing the blood.

There's been a lot of examples of people blocking roads. How do we know that all these people are compelled by the oligarcy? Saying it like that undermines whatever desire they themselves have to hinder the invaders.

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6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

   Re media messaging - you are absolutely right, media campaign is total loss (amateur journalists of Novorossia are making much better job then high-paid professionals on TV in Moscow. Reason for that is simple: as i have said many times, "media people" here in Russia are mostly pro-Western liberals, and even when they are ordered to make something "patriotic"- they deliver subquality product, willingly or unvillingly. We need to fly Graham Phillips back from UK to replace them :)

Roman, I would not underestimate the Russian army's media game here.   There is someone calling the shots in your country's army that is not an idiot.

Yesterday I asked why the Russian army has allowed the Ukrainian internet and cell phone network to remain active.   Only one poster replied, and he said that maybe the Russian army  needs the Ukrainian cell towers to communicate.  I thought that was wrong immediately, but didn't have a better answer.

This morning I woke up with a better answer.  I think the Russian army is allowing Ukrainian social media to function unimpeded so that all the potential insurgents of later can be identified now as they post their war selfies and proclamations of resistance.  

 

Posted
49 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Change the locks? :)

 

What I meant was is there a process that defines how one removes a permanent member of the security council.

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, futon said:

There's been a lot of examples of people blocking roads. How do we know that all these people are compelled by the oligarcy? Saying it like that undermines whatever desire they have to hinder the invaders.

Let me restate the facts in a clearer format.

Molotov

Cocktail

Thrown

From a Civilian Car

At

A Russian Armored Personal Carrier, tracked.

There is a video in this same thread, I think.

Edit: video found

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/8502631/ukrainians-molotov-cocktail-attack-russian-tank/

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5 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

In separate development. i have an impression that Russia is starting media campaign to promote the idea of mobilization. 

Not unexpected.  Question - are there any rumblings yet over there that Russia will recognize Kurdistan?

Posted
1 minute ago, sunday said:

Let me restate the facts in a clearer format.

Molotov

Cocktail

Thrown

From a Civilian Car

At

A Russian Armored Personal Carrier, tracked.

There is a video in this same thread, I think.

Russia's might makes right protected by law? What exactly does that law about civilians not allowed to attack invading military vehicles mean? Civilians should accept Russia takeover because they won the military operation?

Posted
3 minutes ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

What I meant was is there a process that defines how one removes a permanent member of the security council.

I know what you meant. 😉

I honestly don't know. I do know that the British Commonwealth had its own rotating seat till 1965, something I think would be a good idea. And Taiwan held what is now China's seat till about 1972, or so I have read. So there must be some mechanism for change there

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