futon Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I was watching this speech, and from the way his paper was twitching, id swear Lavrovs hands were shaking. They don't look like they're shaking. However, his speech is about threat of Ukraine getting nuclear weapons.
sunday Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 I think the Russian troops have been too tolerant of civilian presence. That drive-by throwing of a Molotov cocktail to an APC would have met with quite heavy fire in, for instance, Irak. This could end with the Ukrainian civilians as cannon-fodder/human shields. Not a righteous move by the Ukr oligarchy, but a smart, of the ruthless and amoral type, move.
futon Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, sunday said: I think the Russian troops have been too tolerant of civilian presence. That drive-by throwing of a Molotov cocktail to an APC would have met with quite heavy fire in, for instance, Irak. This could end with the Ukrainian civilians as cannon-fodder/human shields. Not a righteous move by the Ukr oligarchy, but a smart, of the ruthless and amoral type, move. Ukrainian corruption doesn't justify Russian invasion. There are plenty of corrupt countries out there. Doesn't mean they ought to be invaded.
sunday Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Simon Tan said: Good news. More cheap labour for Europe. Seems Sweden does not want Ukrainian refugees. Some kind of racism, perhaps. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/02/25/eu-countries-prepare-for-ukraine-refugees-while-humanitarian-superpower-sweden-refuses/
sunday Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, futon said: Ukrainian corruption doesn't justify Russian invasion. There are plenty of corrupt countries out there. Doesn't mean they ought to be invaded. Non sequitur, sorry. My post was about civilians taking the unlawful combatant role. Edited March 1, 2022 by sunday
jaro Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Reports of Russian bomber aircraft shot and crashed near Losk market in Kharkiv Su-34 were seen bombing the city, maybe they got one.. but didnt see any pictures yet
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Also been attributed to Vyshygorod, on the first day of the war.
futon Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, sunday said: Non sequitur, sorry. My post was about civilians putting themselves in the illegal combatant kind of people. I don't understand what you mean. Obviously civilians blocking roads is a good sign that Russian invaders are not welcomed. Maybe they do so knowingly that they may be determined as some sort of 3rd catagory belligerent, oligarchy or not. Russian invaders aren't in any seat to judge as to how tolerant they should or should not be. If there weren't video cameras with an internet connection to easy-to-trigger-globalMSM, the Russians probably would be far less tolerant. Edited March 1, 2022 by futon
Roman Alymov Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Seems like Lukashenko is increasingly cornered into sending his troops into battle: In Italy, group of truck drivers of Ukraine stabbed one Belorussian driver and beat another one to death https://t.me/boris_rozhin/25778
sunday Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, futon said: I don't understand what you mean. Obviously civilians blocking roads is a good sign that Russian invaders are not welcomed. Maybe they do so knowingly that they may be determined as some sort of 3rd catagory belligerent. Russian invaders aren't in any seat to judge as to how tolerant they should or should not be. If there weren't video cameras with an internet connection to easy-to-trigger-globalMSM, the Russians probably would be far less tolerant. Civilians throwing a Molotov cocktail at an APC is clearly a hostile act against the laws of warfare, that is what I mean. Up to now, the Russian military has been acting in a most restrained way, treating civilians with kid gloves. That is not the usual Soviet modus operandi. But if the Ukr oligarchy feels they need a bloodbath to earn cookie points in the international scene, then they will strive to have a bloodbath, even with their civilians providing the blood. There was a reason for the British to not encourage a violent resistance in the German-occupied Channel Islands, after all. Edited March 1, 2022 by sunday
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, futon said: They don't look like they're shaking. However, his speech is about threat of Ukraine getting nuclear weapons. Yeah, sorry I missed you posted the video. Yeah, maybe I was wrong then, though he certainly sweating and twitching like a crack whore.
futon Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sunday said: Civilians throwing a Molotov cocktail at an APC is clearly a hostile act against the laws of warfare, that is what I mean. Up to now, the Russian military has been acting in a most restrained way, treating civilians with kid gloves. That is not the usual Soviet modus operandi. But if the Ukr oligarchy feels they need a bloodbath to earn cookie points in the international scene, they will strive to have a bloodbath with their civilians providing the blood. There's been a lot of examples of people blocking roads. How do we know that all these people are compelled by the oligarcy? Saying it like that undermines whatever desire they themselves have to hinder the invaders. Edited March 1, 2022 by futon
glenn239 Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Re media messaging - you are absolutely right, media campaign is total loss (amateur journalists of Novorossia are making much better job then high-paid professionals on TV in Moscow. Reason for that is simple: as i have said many times, "media people" here in Russia are mostly pro-Western liberals, and even when they are ordered to make something "patriotic"- they deliver subquality product, willingly or unvillingly. We need to fly Graham Phillips back from UK to replace them Roman, I would not underestimate the Russian army's media game here. There is someone calling the shots in your country's army that is not an idiot. Yesterday I asked why the Russian army has allowed the Ukrainian internet and cell phone network to remain active. Only one poster replied, and he said that maybe the Russian army needs the Ukrainian cell towers to communicate. I thought that was wrong immediately, but didn't have a better answer. This morning I woke up with a better answer. I think the Russian army is allowing Ukrainian social media to function unimpeded so that all the potential insurgents of later can be identified now as they post their war selfies and proclamations of resistance.
Tim Sielbeck Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 49 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Change the locks? What I meant was is there a process that defines how one removes a permanent member of the security council.
Stefan Kotsch Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: In Italy, group of truck drivers of Ukraine stabbed one Belorussian driver and beat another one to death Fakenews from telegram: https://primamonza.it/cronaca/lite-per-la-guerra-in-ucraina-camionista-accoltellato/ 2 Ukrainians. nobody dead
sunday Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, futon said: There's been a lot of examples of people blocking roads. How do we know that all these people are compelled by the oligarcy? Saying it like that undermines whatever desire they have to hinder the invaders. Let me restate the facts in a clearer format. Molotov Cocktail Thrown From a Civilian Car At A Russian Armored Personal Carrier, tracked. There is a video in this same thread, I think. Edit: video found https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/8502631/ukrainians-molotov-cocktail-attack-russian-tank/ Edited March 1, 2022 by sunday
Simon Tan Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Russian MOD even has its own TV channel.....Zvezda.
glenn239 Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: In separate development. i have an impression that Russia is starting media campaign to promote the idea of mobilization. Not unexpected. Question - are there any rumblings yet over there that Russia will recognize Kurdistan?
Simon Tan Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Throwing Molotovs, like rioting and looting is OK. Have you learned nothing?
futon Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, sunday said: Let me restate the facts in a clearer format. Molotov Cocktail Thrown From a Civilian Car At A Russian Armored Personal Carrier, tracked. There is a video in this same thread, I think. Russia's might makes right protected by law? What exactly does that law about civilians not allowed to attack invading military vehicles mean? Civilians should accept Russia takeover because they won the military operation?
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tim Sielbeck said: What I meant was is there a process that defines how one removes a permanent member of the security council. I know what you meant. 😉 I honestly don't know. I do know that the British Commonwealth had its own rotating seat till 1965, something I think would be a good idea. And Taiwan held what is now China's seat till about 1972, or so I have read. So there must be some mechanism for change there
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