Simon Tan Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 That is not at all the plan IMO. The cities are of no real value. They are as always blood baths favoring the defenders. Phase 1 which is udnerway is to isolate the Ukrainian Army east of the Dnepr. Then to destroy it in detail. The Kiev and Kharkov operations are to keep the attention of the Ukrainians and the media while the Ukranian Army dies quietly. I believe Phase 2 will be a second envelopment to the West of the Dnepr. Little has changed since Grozny or even Berlin.
seahawk Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Imho closing the borders to the West would be important. A combined Russian/Belarussian force needs to close the Polish broder.
ink Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Simon Tan said: That is not at all the plan IMO. The cities are of no real value. They are as always blood baths favoring the defenders. Phase 1 which is udnerway is to isolate the Ukrainian Army east of the Dnepr. Then to destroy it in detail. The Kiev and Kharkov operations are to keep the attention of the Ukrainians and the media while the Ukranian Army dies quietly. I believe Phase 2 will be a second envelopment to the West of the Dnepr. Little has changed since Grozny or even Berlin. Certainly seems they're steering clear of large urban areas. I made that point a while ago and people were up in arms but sometimes I think people see what they want to see more than what's in front of them.
seahawk Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 It is classic Soviet doctrine. Engage the enemy on a wide front until he commits his reserves, then use your Elite units to manoeuvrer and destroy the enemy force. Russia has not even committed 50% of the troops they have available and none of the crack units. Once they come into play it will be quickly over for the Ukrainians. Cities and strongholds are isolated and bypassed.
sunday Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, seahawk said: none of the crack units. I thought 2nd and 4th Guards Tank Divisions were crack units, but I could be wrong. Edited February 28, 2022 by sunday
Roman Alymov Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Tor in action against Byraktar, Kiev region https://t.me/boris_rozhin/24873
seahawk Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Roman Alymov said: Tor in action against Byraktar, Kiev region https://t.me/boris_rozhin/24873 Easy kill.
John T Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, seahawk said: Easy kill. But what costs most to build ? Tor or Byraktar?
jaro Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) So who is the real nazi here??? and even name Wagner.. was chosen because it was Hitler's most liked composer.. Edited February 28, 2022 by jaro
Simon Tan Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Irrelevant. Same question is asked about Qassams and Iron Dome. Bang for buck is a nuke.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, sunday said: I thought 2nd and 4th Guards Tank Divisions were crack units, but I could be wrong. Well they are cracking now.
Roman Alymov Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, John T said: But what costs most to build ? Tor or Byraktar? Tor missiles were even fired at DIY drones attacking Hmeimim.
Stefan Kotsch Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Edited February 28, 2022 by Stefan Kotsch
jaro Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said: Yeah, they Keep Pieces..
seahawk Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Well they are cracking now. You are making the mistake of applying Western standards. The Red Army or Uncle Stalin did not care if a victory did cost a few thousands more causalities or less. If the objective was reached in time, the causalities did not matter. And Putin and the current generals care exactly as much. In their mind they are back fighting Barbarossa and defending Russia from an external attack, that is threatening the existence of Russia and the Russian people. They do not care about losses.
sunday Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, jaro said: Guys from Anonymous are just crazy.. A successful attack would mean trains colliding with one another, but that is somewhat difficult even if the system uses software interlockings.
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, seahawk said: You are making the mistake of applying Western standards. The Red Army or Uncle Stalin did not care if a victory did cost a few thousands more causalities or less. If the objective was reached in time, the causalities did not matter. And Putin and the current generals care exactly as much. In their mind they are back fighting Barbarossa and defending Russia from an external attack, that is threatening the existence of Russia and the Russian people. They do not care about losses. Nope. Been reading a lot about how the Soviets were going to win WW3. I think they would have done it. The best Russia can get here is a repeat of the winter war. Big losses, damaged army, lots of heads rolling, and thats not counting the amount of damage its doing to the Russian economy. Looking at the Russian Army last week, and comparing it with the NATO Army, I was feeling trepidation. Now I ask, what kind of threat is it that suffers basic logistics problems in the first 2 days of the advance, within sight of their own border? Even the Americans got halfway to Baghdad in 2003 before the logistics became a problem. And you know what? They didnt abandon good kit by the side of the road where anyone can hook his tractor up and drive off with it. No, It doesnt mean they wont win. But if they do, its going to be a long, bloody conflict, and hardly the statement of Russian military prowess they wanted to set. And Kiev may fall, but so what? These buggers will just keep on killing Russians as a hobby, just as they kept on killing Germans in 1941.
bojan Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, jaro said: If they even survived... russian tanks are known for very problematic hatches and cramped interiors.. You have used those I guess?
Samsa Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sunday said: A successful attack would mean trains colliding with one another, but that is somewhat difficult even if the system uses software interlockings. I'm sorry, but while the definition of a successfull cyber attack might be somewhat fuzzy, it certainly doesn't include a requirement for the collision of trains. Edited February 28, 2022 by Samsa
sunday Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Samsa said: I'm sorry, but while the definition of a successfull cyber attack might be somewhat fuzzy, it certainly doesn't include the requirements for the collision of trains. Then it will be only a minor inconvenience.
jaro Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, sunday said: Then it will be only a minor inconvenience. any "inconvenience" makes logistics harder and harder...
bojan Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, jaro said: Roman, here is one of your saboteurs detained: 5.45 AK and 7.62x51mm ammo? No coms? Edited February 28, 2022 by bojan
bojan Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Perun said: Modern italians does not have anything common with Romans It was a joke. After all, Italians are actually descendants of barbarians that have brought down the Rome.
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