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Half and half. VDV are mostly regular now, but the rest of the army still has lots of one year conscripts. Putin tried to cut the practice because it makes a political issue sending back lots of dead young conscripts. But they could never get enough people wanting to join the Army to do it. Don't know about naval infantry.

Mark Galelotti claims you could tell regulars in Chechnya, because they all ride on the lead PC. All the conscripts rode in the ones behind, so they wouldn't take casualties...

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21 minutes ago, On the way said:

Are Russian troops mostly conscripts? Or have they gotten away with their conscript system

It's a mix, with I think roughly 2/3 professional force, generally all the front line troops if I understand correctly.

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5 minutes ago, Daan said:

Russian heliborne forces attacking Antonov airfield:

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Those last two photos remind me of movies and TV episode made about the US airdrops during Operation Market Garden.  An easy landing, but hard fighting to come.

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1 hour ago, On the way said:

So many things don't make sense here. Why the heck would the Russian want to take Chernobyl? What is there of strategic importance? Its an irradiated wasteland there.

Road net goes across the Pryapet river just south of that. It's a power generation facility too so strategic. It's the next river crossing over the Dnieper River north of Kiev. 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chernobyl+Reactor+%234/@51.2834826,29.901967,9.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x472a7d16e5dbf3ff:0xf6987f427fd05d6a!8m2!3d51.3892676!4d30.0983586
 

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5 minutes ago, Dark_Falcon said:

Those last two photos remind me of movies and TV episode made about the US airdrops during Operation Market Garden.  An easy landing, but hard fighting to come.

Supposedly the Airborne (I've a suspicion it's a unit of 45 Spetsnaz Brigade, which is part of the VDV) is surrounded by the Ukrainian 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade, which has a battle hardened reputation.

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3 minutes ago, seahawk said:

This will be over in the morning. The fascist government has no support and will be rounded up by brave Russian paratroopers.

No reason to expect quick end  - both sides are Russians, and it means stubborn resistance. See Russian Civil war 100+ years ago.

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Just now, Stuart Galbraith said:

Supposedly the Airborne (I've a suspicion it's a unit of 45 Spetsnaz Brigade, which is part of the VDV) is surrounded by the Ukrainian 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade, which has a battle hardened reputation.

To be fair, they're paratroopers; they're supposed to be surrounded.

Bravado aside, part of the value of such an air landing is the motivation it provides to the relief force.

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15 minutes ago, rmgill said:

...t's a power generation facility too so strategic....

It does not generate power since 2000 or so.

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