futon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 In the wake of the US and Europe unveiling what is believed to be just the first round of sanctions on Russian individuals and institutions in response to Moscow's recognition of two regions in Ukraine as "sovereign states," China said that unilateral sanctions have never been effective in solving global crises, and warned the US not to harm China and other countries' legitimate interests when handling issues related to Ukraine and Russia. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying made the remarks at a routine press conference on Wednesday. "Our position is that sanctions are never fundamentally effective means to solve problems. We consistently oppose all illegal unilateral sanctions," Hua said. Chinese analysts said that Russia seemed well prepared for Western sanctions before Russian President Vladimir Putin signed on Monday two decrees recognizing "the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR)" and "the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR)" as independent and sovereign states. As Russia has huge energy reserves including oil and gas, as well as rare metals, Moscow does have measures to hit back, and its cooperation with China in payment systems could limit the impact of any Western sanctions. But it is possible that US sanctions will target Chinese firms or institutes that have links to Russia, which would increase the risk of further decoupling between China and the US. China needs to be prepared to minimize the possible damage to China-US economic ties, and also prepared to retaliate against potential US moves to harm China's legitimate interests, said experts. When asked "what role China has played for easing the current crisis," Hua said that China has always made efforts to promote negotiations and peace on regional hot spot issues. The US has been sending weapons to Ukraine, heightening tensions, creating panic and even hyping up the possibility of warfare. In stark contrast, China has all along called on all parties to respect and attach importance to each other's legitimate security concerns. "A key question here is what role the US, the culprit of current tensions surrounding Ukraine, has played. If someone keeps pouring oil on the flame while accusing others of not doing their best to put out the fire, such kind of behavior is clearly irresponsible and immoral," Hua said. ... https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202202/1253027.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Russia's much vaunted PGM capability appears to have resulted in a solid hit against a civilian apartment complex in Chuhuiv. Footage recorded by an American journalist on the ground. Edited February 24, 2022 by Daan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Stalin Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, seahawk said: More Iraq 2003. More or less the same play. Yep. Unfortunately for the west... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Stalin Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Daan said: Russia's much vaunted PGM capability appears to have resulted in a solid hit against a civilian apartment complex in Chuhuiv. Footage recorded by an American journalist on the ground. IMVHO that's "collateral damage" - same as in case of US "smart" weapons. Possibly remnatnts of Iskander-like missile, after warhead has detached to hit the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Looks like too much blast damage. Scud discards didnt do a lot of damage to Tel Aviv. No, that looks like a solid miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Looks like too much blast damage. Scud discards didnt do a lot of damage to Tel Aviv. No, that looks like a solid miss. It's already been geo-located. The intended target was probably the airbase next door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Assuming he was aiming for the flightline, thats quite a miss, over 1000 feet I make it on Google Earth. The video ive seen shows iskander coming in on a very low trajectory, presumably part of its evasion system. You wonder if it pranged one of the apartment buildings. Strange target to hit, you would think they would overun that and capture it in a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 So, a few thoughts. Probably mindless speculation but I throw it out there for comment. There doesn seem thus far to be much tank combat. Ive seen a comment about 2 Russian tanks knocked out, with no evidence of anything else going on. The Russians in particular claim the Border Guards fled. So clearly they arent parcelling forces out in forward defence. A very smart move. So here is the thing. What if the Ukrainians are concentrating the army elsewhere, and plan to take on each prong of the Russian attack in turn? There doesnt seem to be much evidence for that speculation, and yet, they must be somewhere. They dont seem to be fleeing over the border into Romania. So, possibly they are camped somewhere to the west of Kiev, read to jump in and defend the capitol? Or maybe the south, so they can clobber anyone taking the ports, before working up and defeating anyone coming in from Transnistria? Just a crazy idea on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikkiyn Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Could it have been an anti-radiation variant that was tricked by the target operator, or other method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: So, a few thoughts. Probably mindless speculation but I throw it out there for comment. There doesn seem thus far to be much tank combat. Ive seen a comment about 2 Russian tanks knocked out, with no evidence of anything else going on. The Russians in particular claim the Border Guards fled. So clearly they arent parcelling forces out in forward defence. A very smart move. So here is the thing. What if the Ukrainians are concentrating the army elsewhere, and plan to take on each prong of the Russian attack in turn? There doesnt seem to be much evidence for that speculation, and yet, they must be somewhere. They dont seem to be fleeing over the border into Romania. So, possibly they are camped somewhere to the west of Kiev, read to jump in and defend the capitol? Or maybe the south, so they can clobber anyone taking the ports, before working up and defeating anyone coming in from Transnistria? Just a crazy idea on my part. Well Russia seems to be making a typical NATO attack type with long range weapons. Technology expands and now Russia have many guided systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Russians are now only launching probing land attacks.. to pinpoint the Ukrainian defenses.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KV7 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Blast seems far too small for Iskander though. It looks more like a Kh-58 / Kh-31 class warhead or maybe KAB-250 or so. Edited February 24, 2022 by KV7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sikkiyn said: Could it have been an anti-radiation variant that was tricked by the target operator, or other method? Went for someone's microwave you mean? Yes, I guess thats possible. I remember in One day in a Long War, a French newspaper described an attack on a North Vietnamese hospital, and the weapon described resembled a Shrine that went rogue. Looks a big blast for anything less than an Iskander though. Maybe a JDAMski or LGB I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Burned-out Ukrainian BTR4 and Russian Tigr: Abandoned and damaged column of Ukrainian vehicles near Crimea: Russian advances from the Crimean penincula: Edited February 24, 2022 by Daan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 The latter photograph has been geolocated 130 km inside Ukraine. Perhaps the Ukrainian government has decided to abandon large swats SE of the Dnieper. Including Mariupol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Thanks for that, and it's geolocated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Russian forces in control of Kahovskaya hidropowerstation and dam on Dniper - it means Dniper is allready crossed on South direction. At the same time, up to 30 Russian helicopters operate 20 km from Kiev (probably, air assault operation). One helicopters shown shot down, one damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Russian Helicopter shot down over Hostomel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Cruise missile strike on airbase, not a very fast missile: Heliborne air assault on an airbase near Kiev: One wonders where any short range AA or SAMs are. Even some smattering of camouflaged ZU-23 emplacements and MANPADs would have wiped these helicopters from the air. Edited February 24, 2022 by Daan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KV7 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Why attempt something so bold ? It makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 They are showing us Russia Stronk(Tm). For encouragement of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Daan said: Cruise missile strike on airbase, not a very fast missile: Heliborne air assault on an airbase near Kiev: One wonders where any short range AA or SAMs are. Even some scattering of camouflaged ZU-23 emplacements and MANPADs would have wiped these helicopters from the air. This missiles are subsonic, easily tracked by camera. Re helicopters - It is 20km from Kiev, seems like pro-Ukrainians got no significant forces there. Edited February 24, 2022 by Roman Alymov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Indeed. But do not beat this ... Quote The UK's spies are being urged to consider their "white privilege" as Europe braces for war. The chiefs of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ have told staff to avoid using words such as "manpower", "strong" and "grip" because these can "reinforce dominant cultural patterns". The guidance, from a leaked dossier titled "Mission Critical", was published internally on Dec 6 amid fears that Vladimir Putin would invade Ukraine. The document has caused concern in some government quarters that security officials are more focused on diversity and inclusion than global security, according to the Daily Mail. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/24/britains-spies-told-check-white-privilege-stop-saying-manpower/ Edited February 24, 2022 by lucklucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now