sunday Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 2030 at last! Schwab and Soros rejoice! Edited August 6, 2022 by sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Falcon Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 More T-80s coming out of storage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 8 hours ago, KV7 said: Hang on if they are British they should be the L118 light gun which uses different ammunition. M1 is the US/NATO standard 105mm HE. Ex Kiwi ones, im given to understand. There were NZ soldiers as part of the Ukrainian training team on Salisbury plain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Perun said: I thought that they buy oil products and not crude oil Guess not. Point is that Russian oil sales haven’t really been hurt much with Europe turning away from it. If anything, the Europeans are buying Saudi oil who in turn buy Russian oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, Dark_Falcon said: More T-80s coming out of storage: Heard they had several thousand T-80s in storage. Also, the Russian tankers prefer the T-80 significantly over the T-72, as the T-80 reverse speed is far greater and that has proven crucial in this war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Falcon Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: Heard they had several thousand T-80s in storage. Also, the Russian tankers prefer the T-80 significantly over the T-72, as the T-80 reverse speed is far greater and that has proven crucial in this war Makes sense, since a turbine can easily run gears in either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin-Phillips Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Seems like that idea of "putting tanks into storage" has finally paid off then. But just how much work will it take for those tanks, once they've been removed from the storage depots, for them to be ready for combat operations? Will new sights, tracks, engines, etc need to be installed first? I suppose its too early to say if this will change minds upstairs in the Kremlin about gas turbines and maybe we'll end up seeing more T-80 upgrades in the future beyond the T-80BVM? Regarding the mobility of the T-80, the author of the BRIXMIS book certainly commented on that, more than once. Especially so when they were being chased across a field by one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 41 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: Heard they had several thousand T-80s in storage. Also, the Russian tankers prefer the T-80 significantly over the T-72, as the T-80 reverse speed is far greater and that has proven crucial in this war I am not sure about "the Russian tankers prefer the T-80 significantly over the T-72, as the T-80 reverse speed is far greater and that has proven crucial in this war" - but in some cases it is critical, see the story told by this Ukr leutennant The interesting part of this Civil War story of man from Kemerovo in Siberia becoming Ukr Army Lt and commander of tank platoon, is that his tank was first hit by ATGM in frontal plate (without any effect) but while he was reversing with top speed of 9kmh he got two more hits (frontal part and track chain) and immobilized. With higher reverse speed, he would most likely escape Video of the "interview" (he is asked to talk to stay awake while his wound is treated by Rus Para field medics) and drone video of the events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gavin-Phillips said: Seems like that idea of "putting tanks into storage" has finally paid off then. But just how much work will it take for those tanks, once they've been removed from the storage depots, for them to be ready for combat operations? Will new sights, tracks, engines, etc need to be installed first? Not all tanks in storage are of the same condition - some will need only minor cleanup, others will have to be almost disassembled to bare hull and then assembled back with refurbished components. But also note not only tanks were put in storage - but also sights, engines, and other components (in boxes). No idea how many of them and what is the condition, but seems like it is high time to put them into use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Reverse speed: T-72A - 4,28 km/h T-80B - 11 km/h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: but seems like it is high time to put them into use. Everything is going according to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said: Reverse speed: T-72A - 4,28 km/h T-80B - 11 km/h Do you have data for other tanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 T-64B - 4,20 km\h All diesels about the same. Confirmed data are missing for the T-90M and T-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Falcon Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Not all tanks in storage are of the same condition - some will need only minor cleanup, others will have to be almost disassembled to bare hull and then assembled back with refurbished components. But also note not only tanks were put in storage - but also sights, engines, and other components (in boxes). No idea how many of them and what is the condition, but seems like it is high time to put them into use. Those on the train looked like they were in the middle of that range, though you've got a better eye for that than I do. The big question would be what upgrades (if any) do the tanks receive before being sent to their unit(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Yama said: I rate that news piece as somewhat less credible than that of Syrian volunteers swarming to the Russian side. The Syrians were played out and the Russians obviously couldn't get enough volunteers signed up to make an expeditionary corps worthwhile. The North Koreans can simply order their forces to entrain for Ukraine. In terms of what would be in it for North Korea if the report is actually true, its the advantages of a battlefield laboratory on their combat readiness. Assuming they establish a 100,000 man expeditionary force and then rotate hundreds of thousands of troops through, they'll emerge with a far more capable army than beforehand, and with the Sino-Russian alliance more solidly on their side than any time since 1953. From China's perspective, I should imagine a North Korean army in Europe would actually be quite useful politically. Edited August 6, 2022 by glenn239 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 I can’t even imagine how one would ship 100,000 Bestest Koreans to Ukraine. Though presumably those that made the journey would eat better than they ever have in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Not all tanks in storage are of the same condition - some will need only minor cleanup, others will have to be almost disassembled to bare hull and then assembled back with refurbished components. But also note not only tanks were put in storage - but also sights, engines, and other components (in boxes). No idea how many of them and what is the condition, but seems like it is high time to put them into use. Switch in topic, but in reviewing the Russian ministry announcements today, they are reporting some sort of either mutiny, surrender, or mass exodus of troops from the battlefield from three (59th, 61st, 35th) Ukrainian brigades. Any further information on this story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Josh said: I can’t even imagine how one would ship 100,000 Bestest Koreans to Ukraine. Though presumably those that made the journey would eat better than they ever have in their lives. They'd ship their equipment via the Trans-Siberian, fly in their troops on Chinese airliners, and rely on the Russians for supply once in place. It would certainly take months. Edited August 6, 2022 by glenn239 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 42 minutes ago, glenn239 said: The Syrians were played out and the Russians obviously couldn't get enough volunteers signed up to make an expeditionary corps worthwhile. The North Koreans can simply order their forces to entrain for Ukraine. In terms of what would be in it for North Korea if the report is actually true, its the advantages of a battlefield laboratory on their combat readiness. Assuming they establish a 100,000 man expeditionary force and then rotate hundreds of thousands of troops through, they'll emerge with a far more capable army than beforehand, and with the Sino-Russian alliance more solidly on their side than any time since 1953. From China's perspective, I should imagine a North Korean army in Europe would actually be quite useful politically. Or you end up with a great deal of combat experienced Norks who also know very well what an extra amount of BS they have been fed. Throwing this in here: Quote 25 thousand Russian forces are north of the river in Kherson region. They have limited logistics They have one route to escape A disaster ready to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 When North Koreans leave their country and see what the world is really like, they fall away from the faith. And mutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 On 8/4/2022 at 9:32 PM, Huba said: IIRC M777,as well as most modern NATO pieces have barrel life of around 2K full charge equivalents. In comparison 2S3/ D20 gun should be good for around 5k FCE. Additional range and accuracy has it’s price… M-46 estimated barrel life is 4,500 with full charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 hour ago, glenn239 said: In terms of what would be in it for North Korea if the report is actually true, its the advantages of a battlefield laboratory on their combat readiness. Assuming they establish a 100,000 man expeditionary force and then rotate hundreds of thousands of troops through, they'll emerge with a far more capable army than beforehand, and with the Sino-Russian alliance more solidly on their side than any time since 1953. They don't need that combat experience. They'll squander it like Russia did. What the Norks really get from this, is having 100,000 less mouths to feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 58 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: Or you end up with a great deal of combat experienced Norks who also know very well what an extra amount of BS they have been fed. Throwing this in here: One logistical road? Not even close. The Russians have set up multiple ferries that are transporting vehicles and supplies to Kherson, not to mention they have a decent number of helicopters in place to provide airlifts if need be. The Russians are pretty well entrenched in Kherson, and have the means for a stable resupply. Just a week ago folks here were glamorizing about one thousand Russian soldiers in Kherson being completely surrounded, which turned out to be a rumor that the Ukrainians themselves had to backtrack from. So I’d air some caution into thinking the Russians are on the brink of losing in Kherson… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 26 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: One logistical road? Not even close. The Russians have set up multiple ferries that are transporting vehicles and supplies to Kherson, not to mention they have a decent number of helicopters in place to provide airlifts if need be. The Russians are pretty well entrenched in Kherson, and have the means for a stable resupply. Just a week ago folks here were glamorizing about one thousand Russian soldiers in Kherson being completely surrounded, which turned out to be a rumor that the Ukrainians themselves had to backtrack from. So I’d air some caution into thinking the Russians are on the brink of losing in Kherson… How are these ferries a stable solution? Ukraine didn’t yet bother with striking them, but compared to bridges, ferries are really squishy. They are mobile, but given that GMLRS travel time at mqx range is less than 120 seconds, hitting them at the shore should be quite easy, just need to sneak a drone in there, or have somebody local call the fire mission. And it’s not like RU can keep replacing them like tanks. And their throughput gotta be very limited compared to a proper bridge. IMO RU units on the right bank are really screwed at this point, it’s just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Huba said: How are these ferries a stable solution? Ukraine didn’t yet bother with striking them, but compared to bridges, ferries are really squishy. They are mobile, but given that GMLRS travel time at mqx range is less than 120 seconds, hitting them at the shore should be quite easy, just need to sneak a drone in there, or have somebody local call the fire mission. And it’s not like RU can keep replacing them like tanks. And their throughput gotta be very limited compared to a proper bridge. IMO RU units on the right bank are really screwed at this point, it’s just a matter of time. From what I’ve seen in some of the videos, each ferry can hold a pretty decent number of vehicles. Have a few ferries operating simultaneously along the length of the river will give the Russians much needed resupply capability. And remember, it isn’t going to be easy to hit a target with any MRLS if you are unaware of its exact location. It’s already been stated by the Ukrainians themselves that drones are no longer useful as the Russians have managed to neutralize them, so figuring out where the ferry (or ferries for that matter) are coming and going without real time intelligence…that’s going to be near impossible. They are operating throughout the length of the river and at erratic times, so it’s not something the Ukrainians can just figure out on the go. Sure it’s not as great for the Russians to have to resort to ferries, but it’s much better than nothing. Static targets like bridges, ammo dumps, etc. are easy prey for an MRLS. A few ferries…not without real time info. And that’s a significant lack of capability the Ukrainians have right now Edited August 7, 2022 by crazyinsane105 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now