Sardaukar Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Josh said: That's a pretty shocking majority from most any legislature. I'm still amazed at the complete turnaround just since February. It seems perfectly justified given current events, but it still seems so weird to have moved so fast. When it comes to security, there has always been very large consensus. But this is indeed almost unheard of. I can just say: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Huba said: They hit a f*&$%#g tree first, and then the ground proper. Really nothing to see there. Kaczynski had a tradition of forcing his pilots to do stupid things that were against regulations. Please don't sink into the tinfoilhattery Stuart, you're better than that. The British results says the tree wasnt solid enough to knock the wing off. The British AAIB says it, a respected air accident investigator of over 40 years says it, then its not tin hattery. It physics. Ill be fair, the AAIB explanation hasnt found universal acclaim. This Dutch AAIB investigator doesnt accept the British explanation, yet found his own disparities with the evidence. Which either means the investigation was a complete bodge, or there was in fact something very wrong with the conclusions. https://www.doomedsoldiers.com/russian-smolensk-crash-report-challenged.html I seem to recall being called a tinfoil hat for saying Putin was a threat, so it just goes to show doesnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: The British results says the tree wasnt solid enough to knock the wing off. The British AAIB says it, a respected air accident investigator of over 40 years says it, then its not tin hattery. It physics. Ill be fair, the AAIB explanation hasnt found universal acclaim. This Dutch AAIB investigator doesnt accept the British explanation, yet found his own disparities with the evidence. Which either means the investigation was a complete bodge, or there was in fact something very wrong with the conclusions. https://www.doomedsoldiers.com/russian-smolensk-crash-report-challenged.html I seem to recall being called a tinfoil hat for saying Putin was a threat, so it just goes to show doesnt it? The point I'm making is that in Polish internal discourse, Smolensk is something that even most of pro-PiS people wouldn't mention, as it makes you look ridiculous. Even as the war broke out there was no return to the subject in the (unofficial) party media. The report of the second commission was released probably cause it was a time when nobody would make a big deal of how silly it was, given the distractions at hand. But of course I recognize your right to the tinfoil hat, wear it proudly if you choose to Edited May 17, 2022 by Huba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cynik75 said: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Romania and Finland will not agree. Hundred thousand murdered or deported citizens of this countries did not "visit" USRR (Russia is USRR's heir) before USRR invaded this countries. EOT. Would you be so kinde and provide link for those "Hundred thousand murdered or deported" by Russia. I know for sure that historicaly violence regularly came from "west" Edited May 17, 2022 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Perun said: Would you be so kinde and provide link for those "Hundred thousand murdered or deported" by Russia. I know for sure that historicaly violence regularly came from west Here you go, a good point to start educating yourself on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939–1946)#Mass_deportations_to_the_East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I watched some Soviet TV in the days of Glasnost. I can recall watching a TV programme coming from the Soviet Union about 1986 onto a TV programme called 'The time, the place', a live satellite link up with a British TV chat show. Very interesting. Im sure all the people in the room were groomed party members, but you could still sense the nervousness and the excitement at being able to ask questions, and get honest answers! From both sides actually. I can still remember it clear as day nearly 40 years later. I get to watch lots of clips of Russian shows examining the war. A lot, it all gets clipped and put up on twitter. And that is the first one in the past 3 months, when ive seen someone say something I can recognise as unvarnished truth. And my God didnt that harridan try to shut him up for saying it. He is right. You are isolated, and you are losing. But dont take my word for it, take the word of one of your fellow Russians. Not that you will im sure. So your ideas of Soviet and Russian TV are based on childhood memories of international broadcasts and some clips you come across in the Internet.... Well, quite solid sample. Reality is, whatever you think about modern Russian TV, it is not even close to single opinion voiced by most of Western media when it comes to Russia-related events. Our propaganda, with all known misperfections (see Strelkov's oninion about them), have learned a lot, and now it is common practice to invite opponents (even hire them with significant expence, like it was done with pro-Ukrainian experts) and have what it least looks like heated debate, with lots of ahrdline opinions voiced. Way better than Atlantic Council "expert panels" who are mostly in agreement one with another..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Estonians got the good news too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Estonia Plus lot were outright murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Thanks for the link. How that could be compared with this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 More "good" news for you: "According to the committee, just as much responsibility for the activities of the Nazi occupation authorities lies with the members of Estonia's provisional government of the period." https://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/4903/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Perun said: Thanks for the link. How that could be compared with this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation Nazis killed 5 million, Soviets killed 150k and deported 1.5 million and enslaved us for 40 years. Does that make them the nice guys? Germans apologized and repented, while Russians ( official Soviet continuators no less) have never really admitted to what they did. From our perspective both belong in hell, Nazis one circle deeper then Soviets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 On 5/15/2022 at 6:54 PM, George said: Has there been any Ukrainian confirmation of an attempted Ukrainian attack between Gulyai Pole and Malinovka yesterday? Rus MoD started leaking information about this events Russian servicemen in Zaporozhye blocked an attempted counterattack by Ukrainian armed formations ◽️Two Ukrainian mechanized battalions with tanks and IFVs attempted to attack Russian Armed Forces units near Vishnevoe, Zaporozhye region. ◽️The deployment of enemy armoured vehicles and preparations for the attack were uncovered by Russian UAVs and technical reconnaissance assets. 💥 The enemy's armoured vehicles were attacked by UAVs and artillery units during their advance and deployment at the attack line, after which the attack was repelled by fire from tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and modern anti-tank weapons. 💥 The retreating Ukrainian tanks and IFVs were destroyed by artillery fire. 📊 As a result of the Kiev regime's futile adventure, 26 Ukrainian tanks, 12 IFVs and about 100 fighters were destroyed. Source with video https://t.me/mod_russia_en/1681 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Huba said: The point I'm making is that in Polish internal discourse, Smolensk is something that even most of pro-PiS people wouldn't mention, as it makes you look ridiculous. Even as the war broke out there was no return to the subject in the (unofficial) party media. The report of the second commission was released probably cause it was a time when nobody would make a big deal of how silly it was, given the distractions at hand. But of course I recognize your right to the tinfoil hat, wear it proudly if you choose to Look, im not saying it was the Russians. But it was the Russians, Mkay? Edited May 17, 2022 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Just now, Stuart Galbraith said: Look, im not saying it was the Russians. But it was the Russians, Mkay? http://funnypost.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/funny-pic-8-8.jpg It is always Russians.... https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-four-in-five-britons-concerned-about-rising-cost-of-living-poll-for-sky-news-suggests-12614622 One in four people skipping meals over rising cost of living worries, poll for Sky News suggests Many are trying to skip meals, borrow money or go out less to make ends meet. A large number of people have also switched off heating to reduce energy bills. By Ganesh Rao, data journalist Tuesday 17 May 2022 08:32, UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: So your ideas of Soviet and Russian TV are based on childhood memories of international broadcasts and some clips you come across in the Internet.... Well, quite solid sample. Reality is, whatever you think about modern Russian TV, it is not even close to single opinion voiced by most of Western media when it comes to Russia-related events. Our propaganda, with all known misperfections (see Strelkov's oninion about them), have learned a lot, and now it is common practice to invite opponents (even hire them with significant expence, like it was done with pro-Ukrainian experts) and have what it least looks like heated debate, with lots of ahrdline opinions voiced. Way better than Atlantic Council "expert panels" who are mostly in agreement one with another..... Whereas you have previously admitted you dont really remember Soviet times at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaymoreCA Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Ok. More reporting on the possible Donets crossing. Is it real? If not, has there ever been any false reporting of a change in Ukr LOC of this magnitude? This is being reported for both Ru and Ukr sites. IMO I think we can accept that something has been thrown across the Donets and discuss its implications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, Perun said: Would you be so kinde and provide link for those "Hundred thousand murdered or deported" by Russia. I know for sure that historicaly violence regularly came from "west" How much do you want? How much can you bear to read? https://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/5098/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Whereas you have previously admitted you dont really remember Soviet times at all. Really? I was born in 1975, so you mean i am sort of mentally challenget not to remember events before turning 16? Could you please direct me to where i admitted that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 By the way: some findings of the survey about Russians attitude to "being isolated" 77.5% of Russian citizens are not afraid of stopping trade with the West and 58.6% believe that sanctions are good for the country's economy. Survey itself http://populi-vox.ru/opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Another video of BMPTs on march https://t.me/nezhurka/2118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Sardaukar said: When it comes to security, there has always been very large consensus. But this is indeed almost unheard of. Next war started by NATO or USA will sour the public opinion about it again, it's what always happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Better version of failed attack by two pro-Ukr tank battalions near Gulyai-Pole (by the way native place of Nestor Makhno). Note Polish(?) T-72 at 2:28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonable Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: This "now" is at least 8 years long (actually more, as US/NATO started building this proxy army decades ago). Rus SP Artillery in action, note number of ammo boxes indicating this position is in use for quite a long time https://t.me/anna_news/32108 Was the cartridge case for the ammo silver colored? I thought I saw a copper one being ejected. What was the silver thing shoved into the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Detonable said: Was the cartridge case for the ammo silver colored? I thought I saw a copper one being ejected. What was the silver thing shoved into the gun? I think it is steel zinc-covered cartridge, but i am not specialist in it. https://i3.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/022601/22601285_22433.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Detonable said: Was the cartridge case for the ammo silver colored? I thought I saw a copper one being ejected. What was the silver thing shoved into the gun? Zinc plated cartridge, I used to have quite a bit of it myself from Wolf for my 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 54R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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