Josh Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Simon Tan said: Your imagination is painfully brittle. The US currently occupies Cuban territory, against the wishes of the Cuban government. You are LARPing NATO again. What country are you from again, just for future reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KV7 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: while USSR failed because of fundamental ideological mistakes made by Communist Party leadership back in 1960th, when they switched to building consumer society while trying to achieve universal prosperity for all at the same time Can you elaborate here ? Do you mean that too unrealistic promises were made - e.g. to have consumption levels similar to the US ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 hours ago, KV7 said: Can you elaborate here ? Do you mean that too unrealistic promises were made - e.g. to have consumption levels similar to the US ? As for me it was the set of promises, that were hard-to-achieve (but still reachable) when taken separately, but unachievable when taken all at the same time. It was not only trying to complete in consumption with leading Western countries middle class (most countries of the world fail to reach this level, and USSR ruined by war was in unfavorable position right on the start – still, it was possible) but trying to do it while promoting equality (started in 1960th, before that Stalin system with massive difference in salaries between qualified and unqualified labor was supporting education and hard work) and investing heavily in military balance not only in terms of numbers, but also in terms of science and research. Actually it is surprising how long USSR survived with this, and how close was its “victory” in terms of surviving as member of two-system globe. Have USSR lasted for 10 more years, it would probably stay forever until global human kind unification (see how real incomes in the west not growing since at least 70th, so the gap was to be less and less wide). In pre-consumption age (for war generation) ideas of living standards was different – one of my friends grandfather in 1960th was sure Communism is near future because bread in their factory canteen became free (you could take as much as you want without pay). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KV7 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: As for me it was the set of promises, that were hard-to-achieve (but still reachable) when taken separately, but unachievable when taken all at the same time. It was not only trying to complete in consumption with leading Western countries middle class (most countries of the world fail to reach this level, and USSR ruined by war was in unfavorable position right on the start – still, it was possible) but trying to do it while promoting equality (started in 1960th, before that Stalin system with massive difference in salaries between qualified and unqualified labor was supporting education and hard work) and investing heavily in military balance not only in terms of numbers, but also in terms of science and research. Actually it is surprising how long USSR survived with this, and how close was its “victory” in terms of surviving as member of two-system globe. Have USSR lasted for 10 more years, it would probably stay forever until global human kind unification (see how real incomes in the west not growing since at least 70th, so the gap was to be less and less wide). In pre-consumption age (for war generation) ideas of living standards was different – one of my friends grandfather in 1960th was sure Communism is near future because bread in their factory canteen became free (you could take as much as you want without pay). I largely agree with this, with the exception that' excess egalitarianism' played a major role. There were large income differentials under Stalin but this was partially reflecting large differential in productivity which were themselves largely a consequence of the demographic transition - i.e. huge migration from the countryside alongside a limited capital stock meant that there was ample unskilled labour, which also meant that finding almost any industrial task for them to do allowed for large productivity gains. Prior to the revolution the whole agrarians sector had huge excess labour supply, especially on small plots (i.e a peasant family with 3 sons will have a plot that can be fully worked by one adult male). By the 1960s though much of the excess labour was already utilised, though often poorly. And so even if low skilled wages were relatively high, enterprises were often still very keen for more of it, at the prevailing wage rate. And I don't see much evidence that low pay differentials reduced appreciably human capital formation given that education was free and life was still notably better for higher skilled workers (I don't think for example very many people who could become a talented engineer ever chose to become a machinist because of some 'why not, pay is about the same' type reasoning). The changed circumstances did call for economic reform, but unfortunately the Khrushchev reforms (in particular the regionalisation) did not fix any fundamental problems and made some worse - in the case where the official price mechanism isn't working well, centralisation is a partial remedy because large organisations can shadow price inputs internally near their true cost of production, though in this case they need to be a producer and user of the input - i.e. a large vertically integrated concern. The tragedy is that Soviet economists (Kantorovich for one) largely did have a good understanding of what needed to be done, but the leadership resisted such proposals on the grounds that it would take away their power. There is also some suggestion that Stalin near the end of his life wanted to rectify this problem by limiting the power of the party to interfere in administration by technocrats, but that this push was abandoned under Khrushchev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Simon Tan said: The US currently occupies Cuban territory, against the wishes of the Cuban government. LOL Guantanamo Bay was leased by the US. That the Commies unilaterally declared the contract as void doesn't mean that the US are occupying Cuba. Try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Nobu said: At least we now know the nature of the casus belli the Federation may use. It can of course press such a button itself. Gleiwitz for the 21st Century you mean? Hmm. Thats an interesting thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Speaking of which, how in heavens name did that survive the war? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliwice_Radio_Tower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Russia introduces sanctions on Russia, partly over election meddling, partly solar winds, partly due to Navalny. Which is what I feared might happen. Putin is now boxed in, going to be mighty hard to demobilize now without looking like he backed down to a near Octogenarian. https://news.sky.com/story/us-set-to-impose-new-russia-sanctions-and-expel-officials-over-huge-solarwinds-hacking-attack-12275798 The US is expected to announce new sanctions on Russia as early as today over the hacking of government agencies and alleged election interference. Thirty entities are set to be blacklisted and about 10 Russian officials will be expelled as part of the measures, according to officials speaking anonymously to AP and Reuters news agencies. It is partly retaliation over last year's Solarwinds hacking attack, which infected the popular US-made software with rogue code and enabled access to at least nine government agencies and thousands of companies. American officials believe Russia was behind the breach, identified in December, and officials are still assessing what information may have been compromised. Microsoft president Brad Smith called it "the largest and most sophisticated attack the world has ever seen". Alleged Russian hacking in last year's US presidential election is said to be the other motivation for the sanctions. A US intelligence report last month said Russian President Vladimir Putin had probably instigated a failed effort to keep Donald Trump in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Russians reportedly painting invasion stripes on their vehicles. Russia's tanks painted with 'invasion stripes' as 100,000 soldiers mass at European border (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Obvious preparation in case of an attack by the Ukraine. Russia needs to be vigilant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Yeah, those pesky Cossacks might take Moscow this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrierlost Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 In Donetsk sandbags going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrierlost Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 From Ukrainian military intelligence report to parliament estimates that Russia has around 110 thousand troops, 350 airplanes, 250 helicopters and 40 ships near the border. https://censor.net/ru/news/3259789/do_110_tys_chelovek_350_samoletov_250_vertoletov_40_boevyh_korableyi_nachalnik_gur_budanov_rasskazal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I cant believe the yanks have actually been bullied into staying out the Black Sea. Thats completely contrary to what freedom of navigation patrols are all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I like that thinking. It is very German. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Gleiwitz for the 21st Century you mean? Hmm. Thats an interesting thought. I think so, as the operation would be for domestic consumption more than anything, and because the people of the Federation seem already inclined to believe the West would do such a thing. Based on capability, they might not be wrong. The less that is out there about America's offensive cyberwar capability is an indicator of how much more advanced it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Someone may have reminded the USN that Putin is still seeking to collect around 200-300 WIA/KIA in retaliation for American airstrikes on KG Wagner. I don't think the Federation can afford not to, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 21 hours ago, ex2cav said: I'm a long time lurker here and just joined. I have followed the events in Ukraine with some interest since 2014. I find the events a bit saddening. Here we go again, we don't seem to learn from our mistakes. Such is the human condition where we tend to see problems as unique in their own right, but also view them in historical terms to confirm our bias. Humanity seems to learn from its mistakes in that after a really good shindig, the next 2 or 3 generations tend to mind their manners. After that, the forces in society that cause disasters - the Custer types that look for personal aggrandizement by way of foreign confrontation and drama - tend to get the upper hand and another round of shindigs occurs. By that theory Hitler's biggest surprise was that he did it with only a 1 generation gap. Quote I don't think of Putin as a "good guy". He is underhanded and in all probability authorizes the use of chem weapons on political opponents to send a strong message. I think he believes he is a man on a mission. My take is that Putin probably thinks that the fall of the Soviet Union could have been averted by decisive leadership in the Kremlin. Taken to the current day, that NATO is an alliance in name only that has no stomach for a real war. Whether that's true or not, I think it's what he believes and is willing to act on. Quote I read an article recently that Ukraine intends to retake the Crimea, surely the Donbass as well, at some point in the future. Fine on them. That said, Putin's likely goal is to maintain a buffer zone and more importantly to keep the Ukies unstable to prevent Nato membership. I believe Zelensky recently stated that his intent is to obtain Nato membership. Fine by him. It is also likely Putin will go to extreme lengths to prevent that. That must be considered. What is gained by Ukrainian membership in Nato? The purposes of alliances are to make the members of the alliance more secure. Adding Ukraine to NATO makes the NATO members less secure. Therefore, expanding NATO to include Ukraine is irrational on its face. But, the West has also seen the rise of a generation of Custer specialists that run around the world seeking head-on collisions with history in the name of "globalism". Back in the Middle Ages they called it "The Crusades". These tendencies to adapt what the British used to call the White Man's burden are at odds with NATO security common sense, in that they demand expansion into places that make NATO, and the world, less secure. Quote Political elites have been using tough talk to dissuade the Russians. I find that troubling. Hopefully, we are not giving the Ukies any fall sense of back up. Nor a bluff to be called. I am all for support, i.e. for every Russian tank they get an AT-4, intel etc. We shall see. Campaigning season is at hand! Problem with that is that payback is a two way street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Simon Tan said: I like that thinking. It is very German. LOL. Simon, what's your take? Is this going pear shaped or will it fade out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 This was interesting, the E4B is the 'Doomsday' plane. Presumably over here to support the US Secretary of Defense as he visits NATO. I guess somebody is taking it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) First good news I've heard so far. I don't think they will even consider going till May day is over. Edited April 15, 2021 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 First Division, other than Airborne, reported moving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) Attacking on the 1st May would be glorious. Edited April 15, 2021 by seahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 And here is the second. 150 Motor Rifle is the Division that took the Reichstag iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, seahawk said: Attacking on the 1st May would be glorious. They cant, they will presumably using the Taman Guards for the parade. I would not be surprised to see them deploy after that. At this rate, if they go in, I'm expecting any time after mid may. But that's a pure guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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