Mr King Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 There has always been a special place in my heart for afv's that were rare, weird, and wonderful. I have quite a hoard of photos, but have not done such a good job keeping track of names. T-95 Ford armored car I believe German GEFAS prototype. UDES XX-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share Posted December 28, 2013 (edited) German Zobel (one of my favorites) BSVM-80 ZIS-153 Ob'yekt 19 Edited December 28, 2013 by Mr King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Tucan Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Kolohousenka... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 VT-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnm Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 The Vickers Medium Mk III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max H Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Ford armored car I believe Cute, it's like an M60's cupola as a whole turret! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptLuke Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 (edited) Ford armored car I believe Ford/AAI prototype IIRC for the ARSV program that let to the XM-800s. Very interesting for the mobility concept: when the standard, high pressure wheels sink into dirt/mud the wider, grooved "drums" on the axles make contact, decreasing ground pressure and increasing traction. Supposedly called the "Barr Car" but no idea why. Currently in a sad state in a military museum in Virginia. Edited December 28, 2013 by CaptLuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share Posted December 28, 2013 Thanks for sharing that Luke EBR 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Ford/AAI prototype IIRC for the ARSV program that let to the XM-800s. Very interesting for the mobility concept: when the standard, high pressure wheels sink into dirt/mud the wider, grooved "drums" on the axles make contact, decreasing ground pressure and increasing traction. Supposedly called the "Barr Car" but no idea why. Currently in a sad state in a military museum in Virginia. The picture doesn't match the one at the link, so there must have been at least two prototypes. Of course a new front end could have been built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 All sorts of oddball armor. In Russian but pics should be enough:http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 (edited) Ford armored car I believe Cute, it's like an M60's cupola as a whole turret!This prototype is currently at the Virginia Museum of Military Vehicles in northern Virginia. And Luke made that point already... Edited December 28, 2013 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOW-2 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Well I gotta give much love to the endless attempts by the US Army to field a modern light tank, post-Sheridan. AAI's RDF/LT: Same, with a more conventional 76mm gun, not the ARES cannon pictured above: Of course, always room for the loyal opposition, the Expeditionary Tank: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTK Ciar Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Some of my all-time favorite oddballs:American T-92 light tank. Cleft turret allowed for good gun elevation/depression in a very flat turret! The South African Rooikat armored car runs like a cheetah and carries enough ammo to plink at materiel targets all week:Pakistan's Al-Zarrar upgrade kit breathes all matter of new life into a seventy-year-old workhorse, like grafting a picatinny rail onto a Mosin-Nagant rifle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max H Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I have little faith in the plates on the front turret, they are much too vertical for ERA to function effeciently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 The picture doesn't match the one at the link, so there must have been at least two prototypes. Of course a new front end could have been built. The only changes of note appear to be the removal of the wheel skirts and the addition of a (foam filled, judging by the gash in it) front end. Presumably the latter would be for amphib ops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) Yep, it is an aluminum sheet nose filled with foam for, presumably, amphibious deployment. It has props in back iirc. The mix of steel turret and aluminum hull is interesting. I've examined it a bit in between goggling at the other stuff in the rear lot. Marc & Alan let me wander back there a few times and one never has enough time to look in such instances. I think VMMV has an RDF light tank too. Edited December 29, 2013 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 The mix of steel turret and aluminum hull is interesting. Like the M551 Sheridan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Estes Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) Nothing amphibious there. Maybe an army stream crosser. This would be an example of things amphibious: Type 3 Amphibious Tank "Ka-Chi" Introduced Year : 1943 Weight : 26.5 ton Dimensions: 10.3 (with floats) x 3 x 3.8(h) m Armor (max) : 50 mm Speed (max) : 32 km/hr (ground) Engine : Diesel Engine 240 HP/2000 rpm Armaments : Type 1 47 mm x 1, Type 97 7.7 mm x 2 Crew : 7 Production Qty : 19 http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/ka-chi.htm Edited December 29, 2013 by Ken Estes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin-Phillips Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 The VT-1 looks a curious beast. Are there any more details known about this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 There were two Versuchsträger vehicles, part of a study for a possible Leopard 1 successor between 1972 and 1985 (jointly with the UK until 1976 using a shortened MBT 70 chassis, then with France for possible use of the Leopard 2 chassis). VT 1-1 (1974) had two manually loaded 105 mm guns stabilized for elevation, VT 1-2 (1975) two 120 mm guns, one of which with a six-round autoloader. They were supposed to zig-zag across the Northern German Plain, automatically firing their guns whenever they aligned with a pre-selected target from the advancing Red Hordes. Crew of three, MTU/MB 803 RA-500 engine with 1,500 hp nominal, 2,175 hp "burst" for a speed of 70 kph at 43.5 metric tons, plus two electric engines for sneaking and traversing in covered positions. Dimensions 9.06 x 3.54 x 2.04 meters. VT 1-2 is in Koblenz today. There were also five Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger with dummy guns, but in the end the turretless design was found to have too many drawbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin-Phillips Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Thanks for that; a most curious looking vehicle indeed and not something I'd heard of before (which doesn't really say much I know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Estes Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Banshee, who was the defense minister who so famously backed these and other two/three-man machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Georg Leber was Minister from 1972 to 1978, though I wouldn't know he backed any particular projects; a lot of reform went on in that time, including the plans for Heeresstruktur 4, establishment of the Bundeswehr universities, admission of female medical officers, etc. He very nearly would have become the minister to order a Finnish airliner flying towards the Munich Olympic stadium shot down after the 1972 terror attack, which turned out just in time to be not hijacked but having an avionics failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV9030FIN Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) VT 1-2 is in Koblenz today. There were also five Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger with dummy guns, but in the end the turretless design was found to have too many drawbacks. VT 2-2 in Munster? Does it have dummy or live guns on it? Edited December 29, 2013 by CV9030FIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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