Good Old Fashioned Tank P*rn

[shep854]

On 5/31/2024 at 11:11 AM, Damian said:

Some action at Bemowo Piskie Training Area.

I have to wonder how much these drills account for the actual combat conditions in Ukraine.  Are they presuming that NATO airpower will keep OPFOR surveillance and artillery in check?

[shep854]

More WARPAC funsies...

 

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

What do you think about this?

They say 4-men crew. But also an autoloader, so I assume the 4th crewman is some systems' operator (they call him deputy commander). He gets the RCWS, which I assume also entails special C-UAS training. Operation of the LMs is something indeed a gunner shouldn't do, considering their task to loiter and not just strike. But this could also be easily relegated to someone else, perhaps a dedicated weapons operator in a nearby APC/IFV. Sensors? This is not really a serious cognitive burden. Gunner and commander already do that, and new sensors are added with the understanding that additional workload is handled by automated systems and narrowed down for the crew, including input from conventional sensors. An interesting sensor type would be some ELINT system that could try identify clusters of enemies based on emissions. But is that needed on every individual vehicle? I'm not sure. It could be on a single vehicle per platoon. If the effectors are electronic, then that's where I see where perhaps a new crewman is needed.

In the context of the French army a 4-man crew is unacceptable (for an upgrade to Leclerc), but this could be a marketing pitch for armed forces accustomed to 4 crewmen. 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Sounds to me as awkward as a Char Bis.

Why dont they just slap a challenger 3 turret on it and be done with it?

[Stuart Galbraith]

If anyone is offended, I apologise, but this has to be posted somewhere..

 

[Stefan Kotsch]

del, because double...

Edited June 17, 2024 by Stefan Kotsch

[Mike1158]

Last I heard, the French were moving back to a crew of four in the interests of overall efficiency of the crew.  It certainly makes all the general tasks of running a vehicle easier and reduces fatigue levels.

[shep854]

 

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[shep854]

3 hours ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

 

I was waiting for those bogies to crumple.

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Walter_Sobchak]

Not exactly a tank, but an example of creative recycling of AFV components.  

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

You just have to wonder what happened to the rest of it....

[futon]

 

[shep854]

 

[bojan]

Serbian "Kerber" ("Cerberus") 3 x 20mm RWS on Cypriot Leonidas APC:

 

[Mr King]

On 7/25/2024 at 9:30 AM, bojan said:

Serbian "Kerber" ("Cerberus") 3 x 20mm RWS on Cypriot Leonidas APC:

 

That's cool.

[Rick]

On 7/25/2024 at 10:30 AM, bojan said:

Serbian "Kerber" ("Cerberus") 3 x 20mm RWS on Cypriot Leonidas APC:

 

Would a revolver cannon or Gatling gun be more efficient in terms of space and, maybe, rate of fire? 

[bojan]

Maybe, maybe not but idea in this case is to convert Cyprus towed triple 20mm AA guns to this.

[sunday]

50 minutes ago, Rick said:

Would a revolver cannon or Gatling gun be more efficient in terms of space and, maybe, rate of fire? 

The Hispano HS.404/804 is a notably compact weapon, and the ammunition supply system in that mount seems to be one drum per gun, i.e. all you see is all that is.

[Rick]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

The Hispano HS.404/804 is a notably compact weapon, and the ammunition supply system in that mount seems to be one drum per gun, i.e. all you see is all that is.

As usual, I did not know this. Thanks.

[shep854]

Eat your Maybach pistons out, Tiger 131!

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Looks to be a very similar pattern to Bovingtons one.

https://tankmuseum.org/article/iconic-rolls-royce-armoured-car-turns-100-years-old/

[shep854]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Looks to be a very similar pattern to Bovingtons one.

https://tankmuseum.org/article/iconic-rolls-royce-armoured-car-turns-100-years-old/

Yep, the same model.  These are the only two runners left.