The Insane Rationalizations, Bigotry And Hypocrisy Of The Right

[urbanoid]

11 hours ago, glenn239 said:

The Right in the US is not obsessed with Russia because the Right does not perceive the United States to have any vital conflicts of interest with Russia.  The Left, in contrast, sees Russia as a challenge to the West's legitimacy for global leadership, a viewpoint that the Right does not share.

As long as one's actually interested in global leadership a.k.a. hegemony, it's not a left or right issue, but an objective one.

[sunday]

Considering that China looks very well positioned to be the next hegemon, perhaps it would have been more sensible an approach to Russia instead of seeking to destroy it.

[urbanoid]

China won't be even a hegemon candidate if it doesn't manage to break out of its geopolitical cage*, where the US apparently intends to keep them in. As long as they stay in that cage, they are barely a regional power, with large limitations even in their direct neighborhood. And given their demographics**, the US&Co likely have to hold on for 10-15 years, after which China will enter a period of decline.

Russia is as interested in toppling US hegemony as China is, maybe just listen to the man himself and what he's been saying for 20 years now, starting with what he considers to be the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.

*a string of US allies, including what the Chinese consider a 'rebellious province' having US support, despite the US formally adhering to One China rule they're telling China that they should fuck off from Other China™, which they don't even recognize

**which is tragic even officially, while in reality it might be much, much worse, according to e.g. Fu Xian's research

[X-Files]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Considering that China looks very well positioned to be the next hegemon, perhaps it would have been more sensible an approach to Russia instead of seeking to destroy it.

While I started *the* thread over a decade ago,

to review - China might WANT to be the next hegemon and is going to the ends of the earth to freak out their opposition, the truth is that there are stress fractions in Chinese upper society that look like their 100 years old.

List of warlords and military cliques in the Warlord Era - Wikipedia

Edited February 24, 2025 by X-Files

[sunday]

Still, I am a bit reminded of the USA situation in the 1880s-1890s, when the country was in its way to make itself the factory of the world.

[glenn239]

5 hours ago, urbanoid said:

As long as one's actually interested in global leadership a.k.a. hegemony, it's not a left or right issue, but an objective one.

That sums it up exactly as I see it.  For the Left, it is a hegemony issue. 

As such and IMO, the article you posted is entirely offbase in its summary of what drives the American Right.  On the foreign policy front both the Left and the Right in the US view policy from the lens of American interests, not as a Left vs. Right thing.  The Left sees US interests as linked to the post 1991 era of expanded globalism and internationalist principles.  Russia to them is a challenge to everything the US should stand for.   The Right views American interests more pragmatically than that.  Russia is a regional power in which many members on the Right can remember US presidents back in the day getting along with fine by treating with more respect.  

Edited February 24, 2025 by glenn239

[Mr King]

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Congressman @DanCrenshawTX  was caught on camera threatening Tucker Carlson’s life

“If I ever meet Tucker Carlson, I’ll f***ing kiII him. I’m not joking.”

 

 

[urbanoid]

Spot on x2

https://x.com/SirJaredofHowe/status/1894216764692516975

https://x.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1894080492724523225

 

 

 

 

[Stargrunt6]

13 hours ago, Mr King said:

 

Who does he think he is, Sam Hyde? At least he had the nerve to say it publicly. 

[Stargrunt6]

 Crenshaw acting outta pocket

 

 

[Stargrunt6]

Tate is clownshoes, don't care if he got money like that...

https://x.com/DougTenNapel/status/1895181390234427602

 

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Tate is clownshoes, don't care if he got money like that...

https://x.com/DougTenNapel/status/1895181390234427602

 

Based DeSantis though

 

 

[Stargrunt6]

8 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Based DeSantis though

 

 

Dang skip.  Human traffickers can go to Somalia. 

[urbanoid]

Are they fucking nuts? On top of doing cringe photo-op with alleged 'Epstein files', the official House Committee on the Judiciary twitter profile posted a 'link' to Epstein files... and rickrolled everyone.

https://x.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1895211719255040092

[Skywalkre]

17 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Are they fucking nuts? On top of doing cringe photo-op with alleged 'Epstein files', the official House Committee on the Judiciary twitter profile posted a 'link' to Epstein files... and rickrolled everyone.

https://x.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1895211719255040092

Maybe it's intentional... shift the discussion away from their ridiculous budget plan they recently passed that would actually add to the deficit in coming years despite all the supposed efforts of DOGE and concerns of Rs to cut said deficit.

[rmgill]

5 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Maybe it's intentional... shift the discussion away from their ridiculous budget plan they recently passed that would actually add to the deficit in coming years despite all the supposed efforts of DOGE and concerns of Rs to cut said deficit.

Maybe the dems need to promise to cut social security. You know, if you were serious about the budget. 

[PaulFormerlyinSaudi]

I understand Trump 'offended' by Zelenskyy not wearing a suit in White House. He never mentioned that to Elon Musk. 

Edited March 2, 2025 by PaulFormerlyinSaudi
I cannot figure out how to attach a photo.

[glenn239]

Elon Musk doesn't act like an arrogant piece of shit while in the Oval Office, demanding WW3 because he was too stupid to avoid and avoidable war he is now losing.

[urbanoid]

Pretty much this

https://x.com/OliverJia1014/status/1896633385852039556

 

 

[sunday]

27 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Pretty much this

https://x.com/OliverJia1014/status/1896633385852039556

 

 

Russians could be not the good guys, but they are adversaries of our local bad guys - the ones that pose the immediate problem. Once we manage to get our house in order, like those of Sam are doing now with the new presidency, then we will worry about the evil Russians.

Franco was not a real fan of Hitler, and Hitler was not fond of classical conservatives, especially Christians that were against the anti-Christian points of the Nazi program, but he did accept German and Italian help to win the Spanish Civil War.

In the same way Hitler put his anti-Communism before his pagan ideas.

Poland is fortunate in not having a too woke government now, so they could focus on Russia, as Putin represents the most clear and immediate danger. The rest of Europe, well...

 

Edited March 4, 2025 by sunday

[urbanoid]

Just now, sunday said:

Russians could be not the good guys, but they are adversaries of our local bad guys - the ones that pose the immediate problem. Once we manage to get our house in order, like those of Sam are doing now with the new presidency, then we will worry about the evil Russians.

Franco was not a real fan of Hitler, and Hitler was not fond of classical conservatives, especially Christians that were against the anti-Christian points of the Nazi program, but he did accept German and Italian help to win the Spanish Civil War.

In the same way Hitler put his anti-Communism before his pagan ideas.

Poland is fortunate in not having a too woke government now, so they could focus on Russia, as Putin represents the most clear and immediate danger- The rest of Europe, well...

 

States can absolutely focus on more than one thing at a time, they always do. Opposing Russia or China or Iran doesn't stop one from e.g. doing something about immigration, reforming the welfare state or general 'dewoking'.

Russia is not an enemy of 'our local bad guys' (shitlibs) and Russia's goal is not a 'conservative revolution' in the West, but dividing the West as much as possible, so it doesn't stand in a way of their geopolitical ambitions. They don't want the West to be stronger, but weaker. In fact, Western weakness has always been their greatest strength.

[sunday]

5 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Russia is not an enemy of 'our local bad guys' (shitlibs) and Russia's goal is not a 'conservative revolution' in the West, but dividing the West as much as possible, so it doesn't stand in a way of their geopolitical ambitions. They don't want the West to be stronger, but weaker. In fact, Western weakness has always been their greatest strength.

Things are different here, and I dare say, the rest of Europe. With the negligible exception of our discredited far left, the mainstream parties of both left and center-left former conservatives are in love with globalists, wokesters, and Zelensky.

[urbanoid]

1 minute ago, sunday said:

Things are different here, and I dare say, the rest of Europe. With the negligible exception of our discredited far left, the mainstream parties of both left and center-left former conservatives are in love with globalists, wokesters, and Zelensky.

And not assisting Ukraine will do fuck all to help your internal political struggle*, it will weaken (or even break down, but that would be an accident, as I don't believe that is the goal of any of the internal players involved) existing Western security arrangements and strengthen and embolden the enemies of the West. For now it seems to be a serious game behind the scenes between various parties within Western institutions, but there is some risk that it will spiral out of control.

*and to be honest, assisting won't contribute all that much either, as those things are barely connected

[sunday]

15 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

And not assisting Ukraine will do fuck all to help your internal political struggle*, it will weaken (or even break down, but that would be an accident, as I don't believe that is the goal of any of the internal players involved) existing Western security arrangements and strengthen and embolden the enemies of the West. For now it seems to be a serious game behind the scenes between various parties within Western institutions, but there is some risk that it will spiral out of control.

*and to be honest, assisting won't contribute all that much either, as those things are barely connected

Indeed. Our greater threat comes from Morocco, and there is a country, that presents her as an ally, that is currently occupying part of our national land. Wasting money in the Ukrainian lost cause will result on less funds available for our armed forces. For instance, we have no rocket artillery at the moment, nor surface to surface missiles, and barely funds to buy F-35 to replace our old Navy Harriers.

I am still thinking the enemies of the West are currently ruling most of Europe, especially the EU.

And before the Jingoist lot begins with "whataboutism" about Ceuta and Melilla, it should be said that C&M are as Spanish as the Channel Islands are English.

edited to add this, let's say, meme:

https://x.com/WallStreetMav/status/1896589200537067954/

 

 

Edited March 4, 2025 by sunday

[glenn239]

2 hours ago, sunday said:

I am still thinking the enemies of the West are currently ruling most of Europe, especially the EU.

Politically is it even possible that Spain might start pursuing a more serious (aka, Turkish-like) approach to foreign policy?