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1 hour ago, Murph said:

McCarthy has no one to blame but himself.  

How so? It seems that he acquiesced to the bulk of the demands.

And let's remember that we're talking about <10% of the Republicans, <5% of the HoR overall (19 Republican votes for other than McCarthy initially. Maybe a few more now?)

We gripe about the fringe controlling the debate, but that seems to be exactly what we have going on here.

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In view of the current distain for the Pelosi clan's insider trading, Dan Crenshaw's name and comments pop up;

https://texassignal.com/crenshaw-on-congress-trading-stocks-you-have-no-way-to-better-yourself/

https://www.capitoltrades.com/politicians/C001120

https://unusualwhales.com/politics/article/conflicts

https://texassignal.com/dan-crenshaws-stock-trading-yielded-the-fifth-highest-return-in-congress/

Take the above Texas Signal with a giant grain of salt, as that news outlet makes Pravda look conservative.

 

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/lawsuit-filing-shows-fox-hosts-didnt-believe-election-fraud-lies-they-pushed-on-tv

I know folks on here like to point out on here how left-leaning the general media is (fairly accurate) and how that leads to misrepresentation of Rs/conservatives (this one is... debatable depending on the subject).  Turns out Fox News is just as bad... if not worse in their coverage of the 'news'.

The interesting takeaway I took from the various reports I saw of this was that it's not Fox itself being the reason some voters are misinformed (about the 'stolen election' BS)... but rather it's misinformed voters threatening to leave Fox and Fox thus giving them what they want to hear even if the folks reporting it don't believe it.  Reminds me of another court case against Fox a few years ago where their defense was something along the lines of "no one would seriously consider us a news source".  Guess it is more accurate to look at most of them on there as actors delivering what their audience wants to hear.

 

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Newsflash - commercial journalism is a business. It caters to the known or suspected preferences of their audience, so they can sell targeted advertisement at higher prices to finance their business. The business is to sell advertisement. Publishing news is, for some unfortunately, a prerequisite.

Filter bubbles are no modern invention if you're one-sided with your news sources.

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4 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

I know folks on here like to point out on here how left-leaning the general media is (fairly accurate) and how that leads to misrepresentation of Rs/conservatives (this one is... debatable depending on the subject).  Turns out Fox News is just as bad... if not worse in their coverage of the 'news'.


This has been evident for decades if you just look at Fox news coverage of firearms issues. 

die-hard-welcome-to-the-party-pal-poster

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Are court filings now facts?

 

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On 2/20/2023 at 11:38 PM, Ivanhoe said:

Are court filings now facts?

 

No, and in Civil Court lawyers can and do lie.  I have seen it.  

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wrong thread

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On 2/20/2023 at 5:50 PM, Ssnake said:

Newsflash - commercial journalism is a business. It caters to the known or suspected preferences of their audience, so they can sell targeted advertisement at higher prices to finance their business. The business is to sell advertisement. Publishing news is, for some unfortunately, a prerequisite.

Filter bubbles are no modern invention if you're one-sided with your news sources.

It is a business... that's not new.  Some organizations do a better job, though, of trying to stick to journalistic principles while still being profitable (Fox News is not in that group and hasn't been for years).  The downside is plenty of organizations that focused on journalism when their business prospects were grim (such as many local outlets throughout the US and I imagine the world) in hopes that would carry them have disappeared... and as such so have excellent sources of information for many.  It's a shame the average consumer is more concerned with finding an echo chamber than in trying to learn the truth.

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48 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

Some organizations do a better job, though, of trying to stick to journalistic principles while still being profitable...

Which ones?

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WaPo has had some impressive reporting over the last few years that I've seen.  I'm a fan of David Brooks and he's high on his employer, the NYT (part of their success is simply their brand, though, which gives them access to a lot of stories).  On a smaller scale fivethirtyeight always has great analytical reporting (mostly on politics that I follow there).

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https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/north-carolina-magnate-indicted/

Try to ignore the somewhat ignorant writing; "a “massive” $2bn scheme to defraud regulators and thousands of insurance policyholders." Unless the regulators were also investors, the regulators were not defrauded.

TL;DR summary; apparently avaricious businessman in a highly regulated industry tries to co-opt the regulators, fails to do so. Posted in this thread because he gave more to Rs than Ds.

Of course he's claiming he was railroaded. I'm not sympathetic because he chose to get into a highly regulated industry, and decided to go dirty (allegedly) in order to make as much money as his competitors.

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No one's mentioned this?  Really?  🤣

Also, regarding the bolded bit - no shit...

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Fox, Dominion reach $787M settlement over election claims

WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — Fox News agreed Tuesday to pay Dominion Voting Systems nearly $800 million to avert a trial in the voting machine company’s lawsuit that would have exposed how the network promoted lies about the 2020 presidential election.

The stunning settlement emerged just as opening statements were supposed to begin, abruptly ending a case that had embarrassed Fox News over several months and raised the possibility that network founder Rupert Murdoch and stars such as Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity would have to testify publicly.

“The truth matters. Lies have consequences,” Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson told reporters outside a Delaware courthouse after Superior Court Judge Eric Davis announced the deal.

Outside of the $787.5 million promised to Colorado-based Dominion, it was unclear what other consequences Fox would face. Fox acknowledged in a statement “the court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false,” but no apology was offered.

https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-trump-2020-0ac71f75acfacc52ea80b3e747fb0afe

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54 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

No one's mentioned this?  Really?  🤣

Also, regarding the bolded bit - no shit...

https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-trump-2020-0ac71f75acfacc52ea80b3e747fb0afe

I admit to not following the news as closely as many other folks, Yes, it is disappointing on this one event as Fox covers much news purposefully ignored by the other news organizations. However it changes nothing as Trump is not the President.   

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On 2/20/2023 at 5:47 PM, Skywalkre said:

I know folks on here like to point out on here how left-leaning the general media is (fairly accurate) and how that leads to misrepresentation of Rs/conservatives (this one is... debatable depending on the subject).  Turns out Fox News is just as bad... if not worse in their coverage of the 'news'.

    Actually almost everything from the left leaning media is a lie. They tell you a hospital ship won’t be ready to sail for months and 2 days later it’s sailing into New York harbor. A kid waiting for a school bus is a racist and the players on the school basketball team are racists for holding up 3 fingers for the third quarter  (In the fevered minds of leftists this is a W symbol for white).  Hunter Biden’s laptop is Russian disinformation while Hillary Clinton’s smear campaign is gospel truth.  That’s why Fox had such a big following, they were somewhat believable. They’ve badly damaged that now. 

On 2/20/2023 at 5:47 PM, Skywalkre said:

 

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On 4/27/2023 at 9:32 AM, Detonable said:

    Actually almost everything from the left leaning media is a lie. They tell you a hospital ship won’t be ready to sail for months and 2 days later it’s sailing into New York harbor. A kid waiting for a school bus is a racist and the players on the school basketball team are racists for holding up 3 fingers for the third quarter  (In the fevered minds of leftists this is a W symbol for white).  Hunter Biden’s laptop is Russian disinformation while Hillary Clinton’s smear campaign is gospel truth.  That’s why Fox had such a big following, they were somewhat believable. They’ve badly damaged that now. 

A lie?  Really?  Your first example must be referencing that hospital ship that was sent to NYC at the start of COVID.  I don't remember the news outlets I was watching claiming 2 months.  That could have simply been a reporter with a bad source.  The Hunter Biden laptop and dossier story... I've actually seen retractions from major news outlets acknowledging they got those wrong.  How often does Fox do that?  How much as Fox been reporting on the Dominion trial with all the documents from Fox hosts highlighting they thought it was all BS but still peddled it?

Some of you need to get off this high horse that the other side is the only one doing bad shit.  There are plenty of YT clips from what most of you would call left-leaning news/comedy outlets highlight the brazenly out of touch and incorrect reporting done by Fox.

The bigger issue is the viewers who are driving this.  Fox was damaged from this lawsuit?  Sure... in that they'll probably lost viewers to OAN or whatever other challengers out there who will continue to spin (spin, not report) the news the way they want them to.  Their credibility wasn't damaged... because they didn't really have any to begin with (just like CNN or other outlets, regardless of leaning, that push the fringe viewpoints).

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14 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

The Hunter Biden laptop and dossier story... I've actually seen retractions from major news outlets acknowledging they got those wrong. 

Part of the game is always the timing of the  lie versus the timing of the retraction.

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