JWB Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Does Christian Nationalism count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 How precisely does she campaign on christian nationalism? What is that precisely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, rmgill said: How precisely does she campaign on christian nationalism? What is that precisely? Look at Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 And? What precisely am I looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 María de Medeiros being a red woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 14 hours ago, rmgill said: How precisely does she campaign on christian nationalism? What is that precisely? It must be this "Nearly eight-in-ten black Americans (79%) identify as Christian, according to Pew Research Center’s 2014 Religious Landscape Study. By comparison, seven-in-ten Americans overall (71%) say they are Christian, including 70% of whites, 77% of Latinos and just 34% of Asian Americans. Meanwhile, about seven-in-ten blacks are Protestant, compared with less than half of the public overall (47%), including 48% of whites, roughly a quarter of Latinos and 17% of Asian Americans." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Christian Nationalism In The United States - Founders Ministries New Study of Christian Nationalism in Texas Should be a Warning for the Whole Country | Religion Dispatches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Oh noes. The christians are going to come and get you go to church and believe in something larger than atomistic, hedonistic self pleasure absent of personal responsibility!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Ryan thinks Iran is the perfect society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sielbeck Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 hours ago, MiloMorai said: Ryan thinks Iran is the perfect society. You think Iran's christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tim Sielbeck said: You think Iran's christian? No,replace Christain fanatics with Moslim fanatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) On 11/5/2022 at 6:30 PM, MiloMorai said: Ryan thinks Iran is the perfect society. Seriously? You're arguing against the parody of Christians that you have in your head. Conversely, I live here, have lived in the south for my entire life and I'd much rather deal with more rural Christians you seem to have night terrors about than I would the Urban Folks running our ghettos and promoting riots and drag racing on the down town connector. Probably too much to ask you to be specific on policy vs your wobbly, hyperbolic language and nebulous fears. Edited November 7, 2022 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Trump's statement yesterday. No idea what revelation he's referencing. Maybe the twitter release... except that turned out to be a big nothing. Shock, surprise Trump doesn't realize that. Remarkable that this dumbass has the audacity to call for the "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution" over... nothing. Scary to think this mouthbreather still has a chance at winning the R nomination for '24. 😠 Quote So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections! https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109449803240069864 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Exit polling showed that the D message of 'saving democracy' actually had an impact in the midterms, especially when it came to races where candidates would have control over how elections are carried out/enforced. Any R with half a brain hearing this would thus not want to reinforce that D message. Cue the Cochise County Board of Supervisors who came in screaming, "HOLD MUH BEER!" https://www.npr.org/2022/12/01/1140086777/midterm-elections-cochise-county-arizona-ruling https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-secretary-state-calls-investigate-cochise-county-supervisors-refused-certify-election In short county boards are responsible for certifying election results by a certain date. The Cochise County board (2 x Rs and 1 x D) voted 2-1 (take a wild guess which 2 voted not to certify) not to do so. Why? There weren't any irregularities or issues with the Cochise election (Cochise county is a small, solidly R county in SE AZ). These board members used the supposed issues in Maricopa county on election day to question the results. Our SecState, a D and soon to be new Gov, sued the board (along with some citizen groups). The board was unable to get a lawyer to defend them (in a rather comical show they claimed a lawyer who handled the '20 audit would defend them... except they never asked him and he quickly responded with 'no thanks') and when the hearing occurred the judge pretty squarely bitch-slapped them and told them to certify the results immediately. Several prominent state prosecutors, D and R, have called for a probe of the two board members who vote no. (Funny note... if the results weren't certified it was possible a House seat won by an R would have flipped to the D candidate as the lack of all the R votes in Cochise county would have flipped the seat... our D SecState was actually fighting to protect an R won their House seat.) All in all these two mouthbreathers just gave Ds even more ammo to use in the '24 election if an R is up who still questions the '20 (and now '22) results. Insane rationalizations indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonable Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 So they should do nothing and ignore the fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 There wasn't any fraud and as such they should've done what they were legally obligated to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Shock, surprise... Quote Judge dismisses Kari Lake’s election lawsuit An Arizona judge on Saturday ruled against Kari Lake in her challenge of Gov.-elect Katie Hobbs’s (D) victory, dismissing the highest-profile case challenging the midterm election results. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson following a two-day trial found that Lake had not proven that election officials committed intentional misconduct sufficient to change the race’s outcome. Lake, who lost to Hobbs by about 17,000 votes, had alleged election officials in Maricopa County intentionally sabotaged her victory by causing Election Day printer malfunctions and violating chain of custody procedures. Lake asked the judge to declare her the rightful winner or order a new election in Maricopa County. Hobbs will be inaugurated on Jan. 2. Thompson previously dismissed eight other counts alleged in Lake’s lawsuit prior to trial, ruling that they did not constitute proper grounds for an election contest under Arizona law, even if true, but the judge permitted Lake an attempt to prove the two remaining counts in trial. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3785655-judge-dismisses-remainder-of-kari-lakes-election-lawsuit-following-two-day-trial/ In my yearly Christmas conversation with my brother (he's turned into a big time MAGA R adherent) he was giving me shit for AZ voters electing a D to the governorship. I pointed out the real issue was with R primary voters pushing a nutjob over more reasonable, moderate R choices in a state that historically has shown their preference for moderate R nominees. He had a hard time grasping that the problem could be with the MAGA crowd. 🙄 As much as many of us on here like to think Trump has taken a hit after this midterm polls still show he has a lot of support in the R camp and is the front-runner to win the R nomination in '24 (though depending on the poll DeSantis is close). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 However, following the testimony, it DOES appear that there was an issue. Now was it an issue under Arizona law, I have no idea. But the 19 vs 20" paper causing jams does appear to be intentional if not just arrogant stupidty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 There's a great quote I picked up from my childhood - why attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity? Accidents happen, and the issue was addressed as quickly as it could be that day. As pointed out countless times on here by me (and from local officials starting back on election day when this arose) there were backups in place for votes to still be counted even with this issue. Folks who let this dissuade them from voting made that choice themself... and as such there's no reason for an election to be overturned because some voters were stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 The bigger issue, though, is how this is still in the news. I made a comment in another thread about how old school Conservatism used to be about the Rule of Law. Modern Rs who support Trump and these election deniers have thrown away that pillar that Conservatives used to have in their foundation. Polling from the midterms showed that many voters took to heart the message that this election was about protecting democracy. It's clear Rs need to drop this whole 'stolen election' nonsense along with Trump to have a decent shot in getting the presidency in '24. They're not doing it yet (there's some murmurs in polls that they kind of sort of have... that doesn't count). Continuing down the path that Lake and other nutjobs push is just giving fuel to the Ds for no discernible gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 So continuing this discussion... Yeah... McCarthy failed to win the Speakership today. It was the first time in 100 years the Speaker wasn't chosen in the first ballot let alone over the course of the day (still haven't heard the last time that happened). I'm not shedding any tears as I'm no fan of McCarthy. Still... kind of embarrassing for the Rs and begs the question what do they stand for and what's their focus in a divided government over the next 2 years? They never had a lot of potential to push much of an agenda with Ds controlling the Senate and the WH... but what little I've seen doesn't make the Rs look good on the national scene. Talks of investigations from many and impeachment from the fringe of the party at a time when the country is worried about inflation and the economy in general. One fascinating little tidbit I wasn't aware of... apparently the Speaker doesn't need to be an actual member of the House. Pundits were talking about if McCarthy doesn't win who could get it and one mentioned some talk in R circles of a retired R politician (I forget the name). But that was a long shot... just as is anyone besides McCarthy at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 It will be interesting how the House squares this circle. I had thought it would be a question of a half dozen dissenters with only a couple of votes needing to flip, but 20 seems…insurmountable. But there aren’t enough votes for anyone else. Speaker doesn’t have to be a representative; at one point a year and change ago I think Gaetz called for Trump to be Speaker. That when I first heard about that loophole. I don’t think any outside speaker helps; as spineless as McCarthy is, I can’t see the MAGA wing allowing any “RINO” to take the gavel. I could see this going on for a couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 McCarthy loses his fifth vote. If anything, he seems to be losing ground. I think this could play out all week, and apparently the GOP moderates are already putting feelers out with the democrats for a compromise Speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 McCarthy has no one to blame but himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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