Paul G. Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Paul, you must not be getting their memos or thinking very deeply. You know what outcome means right? Equality of outcome means that Everyone gets paid the same. Even if they work more or less. That means that the worker who stays up late gets paid and promoted EXACTLY the same as the one who shows up on time, leaves on time and never does any EXTRA work. That means more aggressive people don't get rewarded for the extra initiative. [/b "If you mean...every child is educated" Look at Baltimore city schools.(http://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/13-baltimore-city-high-schools-zero-students-proficient-in-math)They have EQUAL outcomes. In a number of schools (13) NONE of the students are proficient in math. They get a diploma though if they stay in school. That's equal. Then we're told that they need money and housing because they can't find jobs because of racism and stuff. So those who work and labor and pay taxes get to foot the bill for housing and basic assistance for folks who the system didn't actually educate. You can find this pattern all across the country with the education system passing students out who are NOT literate. 20% of high school GRADUATES are illiterate. That's DoEd data. Seriously, 20% of GRADUATES are not literate. Is that 'educated' Paul? https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/12/16/literacy Defining standards down so that the least common denominator is the standard for pay. That's Tepid? Spoken like a Federal Employee. By all means who is advocating that? What bill did Obama put forth what you discribe. The US Constitution is all about equality od outcomes. Equal protection under the law. Is that not an outcome? Defining standards down is NOT equal. Its just poor policy designed to prop up failing school districts. Its called corruption, not Marxism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 "By all means who is advocating that?"Most of the core educational establishment in it would seem MANY major cities. The problems in Baltimore are strangely parallel with those in Atlanta. "What bill did Obama put forth what you discribe."Obamacare? If you're going to argue that it got people covered under insurance while ignoring that it stripped people of insurance, you're ignoring the actual results. "The US Constitution is all about equality od outcomes. Equal protection under the law. Is that not an outcome?"No, it's not. Does everyone gets the same verdict? Really? The verdict is the outcome. Do I need to define outcome vs opportunity for you?I don't know what GS grade of employee you are, do you get paid the same as a low level GS2? What about the GS15s? Or the SES levels? Does EVERY soldier get the same pay? Should soldiers on combat duty NOT get combat pay? Do you get paid the same as the President or congressmen?"Defining standards down is NOT equal."No kidding. But that's what they are doing Paul. It's an EASY way to get equal outcomes. "Its called corruption, not Marxism."Marxism has a LOT of corruption. Read some Solzhenitsyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 "By all means who is advocating that?" Most of the core educational establishment in it would seem MANY major cities. The problems in Baltimore are strangely parallel with those in Atlanta. "What bill did Obama put forth what you discribe." Obamacare? If you're going to argue that it got people covered under insurance while ignoring that it stripped people of insurance, you're ignoring the actual results. "The US Constitution is all about equality od outcomes. Equal protection under the law. Is that not an outcome?" No, it's not. Does everyone gets the same verdict? Really? The verdict is the outcome. Do I need to define outcome vs opportunity for you?I don't know what GS grade of employee you are, do you get paid the same as a low level GS2? What about the GS15s? Or the SES levels? Does EVERY soldier get the same pay? Should soldiers on combat duty NOT get combat pay? Do you get paid the same as the President or congressmen? "Defining standards down is NOT equal." No kidding. But that's what they are doing Paul. It's an EASY way to get equal outcomes. "Its called corruption, not Marxism." Marxism has a LOT of corruption. Read some Solzhenitsyn. Verdicts are determined by the judicial system. The Constitution defines outcomes under the law. All of that is valid topics of whats good and bad. Calling it Marxism is histrionics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Since the proposal to have a gov't-run 5G network has come out, I am shocked at the number of people on the "right" who are coming out applauding that idea. Is it just me or acceptance for all kinds of big government ideas is permeating the right at an alarming rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) Verdicts are determined by the judicial system. The Constitution defines outcomes under the law. And those outcomes are all equal? Is a guilty verdict equal to a not-guilty verdict in your mind? Is every guilty verdict sentence equal to every other guilty verdict sentence? As to the Marxism, well, it comes out of the Frankfurt School shit being peddled on campuses and by knuckleheads in government. Like the idea that Guilty = not-Guilty. Or that offensive words are violence. Or that college students should be insulated from dangerous ideas. Or that hierarchies are just a result of power and not of competence. Edited January 29, 2018 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Since the proposal to have a gov't-run 5G network has come out, I am shocked at the number of people on the "right" who are coming out applauding that idea. Is it just me or acceptance for all kinds of big government ideas is permeating the right at an alarming rate?We're either in a slow shuffle leftwards due to the RINOS or a rush when the stars align and the house, senate, Oval office and SCOTUS align as mostly Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Since the proposal to have a gov't-run 5G network has come out, I am shocked at the number of people on the "right" who are coming out applauding that idea. Is it just me or acceptance for all kinds of big government ideas is permeating the right at an alarming rate?Ummm, no. What do you think the RINO right is all about, and has been about? Bush I, Bob Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney...and those are just the presidential candidates over the last decade and a half. Fully 2/3rds to 75% of congressional GOP falls into that category, and has for sixty years. Eisenhower*, Nixon*, and Ford were also presidents that fell in line with the Democrats wearing Elephant pajamas. *Eisenhower and Nixon weren't part of the club, though they participated and desperately wanted to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) Oh, Paul, what policy was advanced by Obama? Try Title IX and how it dispensed with constitutional things like due process. Edited January 29, 2018 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) Since the proposal to have a gov't-run 5G network has come out, I am shocked at the number of people on the "right" who are coming out applauding that idea. Is it just me or acceptance for all kinds of big government ideas is permeating the right at an alarming rate?Ummm, no. What do you think the RINO right is all about, and has been about? Bush I, Bob Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney...and those are just the presidential candidates over the last decade and a half. Fully 2/3rds to 75% of congressional GOP falls into that category, and has for sixty years. Eisenhower*, Nixon*, and Ford were also presidents that fell in line with the Democrats wearing Elephant pajamas. *Eisenhower and Nixon weren't part of the club, though they participated and desperately wanted to be. I was talking about regular people I know, who have typically gravitated to the right. The GOP's RINOS... It is quite expected from them. But then again, maybe small government conservatives are the RINOs these days. Edited January 29, 2018 by Mikel2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I was talking about regular people I know, who have typically gravitated to the right. The GOP's RINOS... It is quite expected from them. But then again, maybe small government conservatives are the RINOs these days. Regular people voted for them.Yes, I've been known to argue that such people as Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy and Jim Jordan are the new generation of RINO as the party has evolved well beyond their ideologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) I was talking about regular people I know, who have typically gravitated to the right. The GOP's RINOS... It is quite expected from them. But then again, maybe small government conservatives are the RINOs these days. Well, when you have decades of education telling people that Equality of Outcome is in the Constitution and that white people are the cause of all ailments in the world, what do you expect? The Universities teach the people who teach the students in primary/secondary education. Educators at that level aren't experts in science, they're experts in education which has been infested by the postmodernist in many places. These educators are running all of these school systems in our major cities where we see abysmal results from their educational efforts. Even Christopher Hitchens complained about these symptoms when complaining about the rot that lays all of the worlds evils at the west while tearing down freedom of expression and democratic principles. Edited January 29, 2018 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT96 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Funny how the thread about the rationalizations, bigotry, and hypocrisy of the right is instead talking about the left's issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Funny how the thread about the rationalizations, bigotry, and hypocrisy of the right is instead talking about the left's issues.Expected given who makes up and participates in the discussions on this site. I don't see it as any sign, as some do on here, that there's less insane rationalizations, bigotry, and hypocrisy to point out from those on the Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I was talking about regular people I know, who have typically gravitated to the right. The GOP's RINOS... It is quite expected from them. But then again, maybe small government conservatives are the RINOs these days. Regular people voted for them.Yes, I've been known to argue that such people as Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy and Jim Jordan are the new generation of RINO as the party has evolved well beyond their ideologies. I'm convinced the vast majority of the people I'm talking about would have opposed the exact same initiative from Obama, but they are OK with it because it comes from someone with an ® behind his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) You mean like the Lefties who froth at the mouth when I quote them Obama's anti-illegal immigrant speech but they think it comes from Bush? Edited January 30, 2018 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 No difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT96 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 DZ Habe ich eine zu schwierige Frage gestellt? Have I asked too difficult a question? Do you fear to answer me, or have you conceded the point? Did I say anything about camps? Habe ich etwas über Umerziehungslager gesagt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 It occurred to me to look up my old neighbor, the one who more or less introduced me to Critical Theory and it's interconnectedness....https://faculty.sfsu.edu/~tanya/https://sfsu.academia.edu/TanyaAugsburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 DZ Habe ich eine zu schwierige Frage gestellt? Have I asked too difficult a question? Do you fear to answer me, or have you conceded the point? Did I say anything about camps? Habe ich etwas über Umerziehungslager gesagt? Concede the point? What point? The one where you don't understand what irony is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Yeah that was a travesty of the law. I know, I spent 13 years investigating those kind of cases. About 10-15% were false outcries in my experience.Oh, Paul, what policy was advanced by Obama? Try Title IX and how it dispensed with constitutional things like due process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickM Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 It occurred to me to look up my old neighbor, the one who more or less introduced me to Critical Theory and it's interconnectedness.... https://faculty.sfsu.edu/~tanya/ https://sfsu.academia.edu/TanyaAugsburgWell shit, an SF State wingding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 She started at Emory in Undergrad. She was my neighbor when I was there as a student and after I dropped out to do real work in IT rather than going down the Anthropology rabbit hole. I crossed paths with several other Theory Chicks in the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 GOP rep invited alt-right activist to the State of the Union http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/371644-gop-rep-invited-alt-right-troll-to-the-state-of-the-union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickM Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 GOP rep invited alt-right activist to the State of the Union http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/371644-gop-rep-invited-alt-right-troll-to-the-state-of-the-union Never heard of 'im; he supposed to be 'somebody'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 GOP rep invited alt-right activist to the State of the Union http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/371644-gop-rep-invited-alt-right-troll-to-the-state-of-the-union Never heard of 'im; he supposed to be 'somebody'? He thinks he is. I've seen him a couple of times, he's a caricature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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