Skywalkre Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 The resultant narrative is part of the vile behavior. Trump is going to put gays in the death camps narrative. Trump hates women narrative. He's never left one to die in a ditch, but he's the worse thing to happen to women since Adam and Eve had their little ejection from that garden. If you don't see the vile treatment in the difference of reporting by the media, you never will.Are you being serious? Trump wants to put gays in death camps? Please, throw me a source. As for the bit about women, well... yeah... he clearly doesn't treat them well and we have more than enough evidence of that from the campaign. How you can argue that point is... interesting. Out of the two examples you gave one seems bogus and the other actually has some merit so... yeah, I'm not buying the vile treatment bit. I don't even buy that there's been any difference in reporting regarding him. We still hear folks in alternate media sources push the Muslim or born-in-Kenya stories regarding Obama. Certainly some of what we've heard about Trump is on the levels of those stories but it's not new by any stretch of the imagination. Unfortunately it just seems to be the new normal with all the alternate places folks can go to get 'information' these days.
rmgill Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay. Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that.
Jeff Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay. Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that. Trump is a Republican, he must hate gays.
Mr King Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) The women hating Republican narrative driven by the press and the rest of the media has been going on for years. One anecdote I remember from the previous election hysteria was Cameron Diaz going on the Oprah Winfrey show and saying this " **FLASHBACK 29 SEPTEMBER 2004 – ON OPRAH WINFREY SHOW**“We have a voice now, and we’re not using it, and women have so much to lose. I mean, we could lose the right to our bodies. We could lo — if you think that rape should be legal, then don’t vote.” —Actress Cameron Diaz, September 29, 2004 on Oprah Winfrey show Read More http://celebritythink.com/2012/09/cameron-diaz-dont-vote-if-you-think-rape-should-be-legal" Edited November 28, 2016 by Mr King
Paul G. Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay. Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that. Trump is a Republican, he must hate gays.Mike Pence has established himself as anti homosexuality in their view.
Paul G. Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 http://www.hughhewitt.com/jonah-goldberg-altright/ I'll post it again, because I doubt anyone here listened to it. I have respected Goldberg as a rational actor in the conservative movement, and respect his opinion. I have yet to hear anyone here offer anything like reasoned opinion to the contrary.
Jeff Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay. Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that. Trump is a Republican, he must hate gays.Mike Pence has established himself as anti homosexuality in their view. Anyone who doesn't celebrate the lifestyle with joy and fervor is considered "anti homosexuality in their view".
Skywalkre Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay. Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that.I'm painfully aware of how Liberals have reacted to this election. I've had to avoid FB completely because half of my friends list are Liberals who have basically lost it completely. I called up two of my exes afterwards and they were basically in tears. Have they taken it too far? Absolutely. However, I'm a bit put off by this reaction from you. Many Conservatives reacted the same way with regards to Obama (there are still people who call him a Muslim!). I'm not a big fan of selective outrage and that's exactly what we have if we're only upset when one side of the political spectrum does something inappropriate. Edited November 28, 2016 by Skywalkre
Skywalkre Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay. Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that. Trump is a Republican, he must hate gays.Mike Pence has established himself as anti homosexuality in their view. Anyone who doesn't celebrate the lifestyle with joy and fervor is considered "anti homosexuality in their view". That's a bit simplistic and misleading for why some are upset here. I know a few folks who fall under the umbrella of LGBT and the Pence stance of supporting conversion therapy back when he first ran for office (he's apparently been quiet about the issue since) really upsets folks. Since Trump picked him they view that as a de facto endorsement even though that's likely not accurate. For starters Trump probably wasn't aware (which is believable given his campaign's poor record of properly vetting anything) and actually has a fairly pro-LGBT history before this election.
Paul G. Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay. Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that. Trump is a Republican, he must hate gays.Mike Pence has established himself as anti homosexuality in their view. Anyone who doesn't celebrate the lifestyle with joy and fervor is considered "anti homosexuality in their view". That's a bit simplistic and misleading for why some are upset here. I know a few folks who fall under the umbrella of LGBT and the Pence stance of supporting conversion therapy back when he first ran for office (he's apparently been quiet about the issue since) really upsets folks. Since Trump picked him they view that as a de facto endorsement even though that's likely not accurate. For starters Trump probably wasn't aware (which is believable given his campaign's poor record of properly vetting anything) and actually has a fairly pro-LGBT history before this election.In addition to supporting conversion therapy Pence signed a 2013 bill that would jail same sex couples applying for a marriage licence.
Soren Ras Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Mike Pence support conversion therapy? I would like to see a source for that. And not the proposed change to the Ryan White Care Act he proposed in 2000, because that involving diverting some of the AIDS funds to "changing sexual behavior" (no mention of LGBT). Any reasonable reading of that would conclude that we are talking about trying to get people to avoid the kind of high risk sexual activity that fuels the spread of AIDS, namely serial unprotected anal sex with strangers, which was the main reasons gays got hit so bad by AIDS in the first place. That this is taken instead as a reference to conversion therapy (i.e electroshock) indicates bad faith. As far as I can tell, Mike Pence is pretty much a middle-of-the-road Indiana Republican. He is therefore not a fan of gay marriage, nor is he going to join Justin Trudeau on the next Pride Parade, but I guess in today's environment, views that were officially held by Barack Obama on his inauguration now equals being anti-homosexual. Then there's the other claim that Pence wants to "jail same sex couples applying for a marriage licence."Hogwash. The bill signed by Pence in 2013 was Indiana House bill 1006, the purpose of which was to downgrade classification for a number of felonies (i.e. lower the sentences), including for example, "knowingly furnish[ing] false information to a clerk of the circuit court" while applying for a marriage license, from Class D to Level 6 felonies. Under Indiana law, gay marriage was not allowed, and this bill did nothing whatsoever to change that. If anything it reduced the sentence a judge could impose by reducing the felony classification. The number of gay people charged with and jailed for trying to get married in Indiana is zero and that is not likely to change. Certainly not because of anything Pence signed in 2013, which did not add any new law or specify harsher penalties (in fact, it was the reverse). I suggest anyone interested at least follow the link to the bill. You don't need to read it all to see that the idea that Pence was rubbing his hands with glee at the blow he was about to strike against gay people by signing the bill is ludicrous. The bill is an attempt to do house-cleaning in the Indiana penal code, reduce felony classification on a large number of felonies with the focus being on drug-related offenses. I highly doubt that Pence would have even been aware of the potential implications for same-sex couples, except that (assuming he actually read it all) he was in fact reducing the sentences involved from the statutes already in the book. Please tell me you have something better than this bullshit... --Soren
Simon Tan Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Oh course he has not. Not been issued any.
Paul G. Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Mike Pence support conversion therapy? I would like to see a source for that. And not the proposed change to the Ryan White Care Act he proposed in 2000, because that involving diverting some of the AIDS funds to "changing sexual behavior" (no mention of LGBT). Any reasonable reading of that would conclude that we are talking about trying to get people to avoid the kind of high risk sexual activity that fuels the spread of AIDS, namely serial unprotected anal sex with strangers, which was the main reasons gays got hit so bad by AIDS in the first place. That this is taken instead as a reference to conversion therapy (i.e electroshock) indicates bad faith. As far as I can tell, Mike Pence is pretty much a middle-of-the-road Indiana Republican. He is therefore not a fan of gay marriage, nor is he going to join Justin Trudeau on the next Pride Parade, but I guess in today's environment, views that were officially held by Barack Obama on his inauguration now equals being anti-homosexual. Then there's the other claim that Pence wants to "jail same sex couples applying for a marriage licence."Hogwash. The bill signed by Pence in 2013 was Indiana House bill 1006, the purpose of which was to downgrade classification for a number of felonies (i.e. lower the sentences), including for example, "knowingly furnish[ing] false information to a clerk of the circuit court" while applying for a marriage license, from Class D to Level 6 felonies. Under Indiana law, gay marriage was not allowed, and this bill did nothing whatsoever to change that. If anything it reduced the sentence a judge could impose by reducing the felony classification. The number of gay people charged with and jailed for trying to get married in Indiana is zero and that is not likely to change. Certainly not because of anything Pence signed in 2013, which did not add any new law or specify harsher penalties (in fact, it was the reverse). I suggest anyone interested at least follow the link to the bill. You don't need to read it all to see that the idea that Pence was rubbing his hands with glee at the blow he was about to strike against gay people by signing the bill is ludicrous. The bill is an attempt to do house-cleaning in the Indiana penal code, reduce felony classification on a large number of felonies with the focus being on drug-related offenses. I highly doubt that Pence would have even been aware of the potential implications for same-sex couples, except that (assuming he actually read it all) he was in fact reducing the sentences involved from the statutes already in the book. Please tell me you have something better than this bullshit... --Soren Some good points. If true I will feel better about Pence. I'll look more into it.
rmgill Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump is perceived by some on the left as being so anti-gay that he will do so or something like that. Its the emotional amalgamation of deporting illegal aliens, curtailing islamic immigration until some better vettincan be devised and rolling back the PC culture that even labels the likes of Milo as anti-gay.Nothing the MSM has said is explicitly that, gays in death camps, but the emotional response from his victory among many liberals I know is just that. I'm painfully aware of how Liberals have reacted to this election. I've had to avoid FB completely because half of my friends list are Liberals who have basically lost it completely. I called up two of my exes afterwards and they were basically in tears. Have they taken it too far? Absolutely. However, I'm a bit put off by this reaction from you. Many Conservatives reacted the same way with regards to Obama (there are still people who call him a Muslim!). I'm not a big fan of selective outrage and that's exactly what we have if we're only upset when one side of the political spectrum does something inappropriate.Lets not forgetthat the muslim thing was floated by Clinton too. As to Obama detabgement syndrome, i sawspecofic instances of law enforcement policy that resulted in people fighting with Fedzillahl I have yet to see the Orange trump SS rounding people up. In fact, much of that handwringing is about various executive orders being rescinded. Also, people were crying at work. I've see 6 elections there. First time for that.
Skywalkre Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Mike Pence support conversion therapy? I would like to see a source for that. And not the proposed change to the Ryan White Care Act he proposed in 2000, because that involving diverting some of the AIDS funds to "changing sexual behavior" (no mention of LGBT). Any reasonable reading of that would conclude that we are talking about trying to get people to avoid the kind of high risk sexual activity that fuels the spread of AIDS, namely serial unprotected anal sex with strangers, which was the main reasons gays got hit so bad by AIDS in the first place. That this is taken instead as a reference to conversion therapy (i.e electroshock) indicates bad faith.Sounds like you've already seen the sources. The claim comes from the wording on his campaign website back in 2000. It's vague and those offended, like my friends, interpret it as support for conversion therapy (which comes in many forms, to immediately imply it's electroshock is simply incorrect if not malicious). While the reading in that specific section makes no anti-LGBT mention there is the bit above it which I'll quote below: http://web.archive.org/web/20010519165033fw_/http://cybertext.net/pence/issues.html Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual’s as a "discreet and insular minority" entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities.That, most definitely, is anti-LGBT. These folks I know fear at worst that Pence supports the notion that they should be sent off to 'reeducation' and at best aren't entitled to all the same rights as their neighbors. Speaking of discrimination laws there was the national uproar when Indiana passed (when Pence was governor) their religious freedom bill in 2015. Like his website above the wording was vague enough in that bill that they had to immediately amend it to make sure businesses couldn't use it to discriminate against the LGBT community. I wouldn't necessarily call the uproar against Pence bullshit. Sounds like it falls more in the grey. Edited November 29, 2016 by Skywalkre
EchoFiveMike Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Homos are outrageously histrionic....water is wet. Gimme a fucking break. S/F....Ken M
Rick Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Mike Pence support conversion therapy? I would like to see a source for that. And not the proposed change to the Ryan White Care Act he proposed in 2000, because that involving diverting some of the AIDS funds to "changing sexual behavior" (no mention of LGBT). Any reasonable reading of that would conclude that we are talking about trying to get people to avoid the kind of high risk sexual activity that fuels the spread of AIDS, namely serial unprotected anal sex with strangers, which was the main reasons gays got hit so bad by AIDS in the first place. That this is taken instead as a reference to conversion therapy (i.e electroshock) indicates bad faith.Sounds like you've already seen the sources. The claim comes from the wording on his campaign website back in 2000. It's vague and those offended, like my friends, interpret it as support for conversion therapy (which comes in many forms, to immediately imply it's electroshock is simply incorrect if not malicious). While the reading in that specific section makes no anti-LGBT mention there is the bit above it which I'll quote below: http://web.archive.org/web/20010519165033fw_/http://cybertext.net/pence/issues.html Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual’s as a "discreet and insular minority" entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities.That, most definitely, is anti-LGBT. These folks I know fear at worst that Pence supports the notion that they should be sent off to 'reeducation' and at best aren't entitled to all the same rights as their neighbors. Speaking of discrimination laws there was the national uproar when Indiana passed (when Pence was governor) their religious freedom bill in 2015. Like his website above the wording was vague enough in that bill that they had to immediately amend it to make sure businesses couldn't use it to discriminate against the LGBT community. I wouldn't necessarily call the uproar against Pence bullshit. Sounds like it falls more in the grey. The mouse that roared. The GOP swept Indiana offices; Holcomb beat Gregg for governor. Gregg proudly ran on an anti-Christian platform giving special rights to homosexuals and what-ever-sex-I-feel-like-today advocates(aka LGBTXYZ1,2,3,,,) Holcomb proudly ran on the success that Pence and his predecessor Daniels including pro-Christian social issues. Democrat favorite son Byah lost in his race for U.S. Senate. Edited November 30, 2016 by Rick
Mike Steele Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 And Guns are still popular..... http://tribunist.com/news/americans-bought-enough-guns-on-black-friday-to-arm-the-marine-corps/ Enough the outfit the US Marines....
Paul G. Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Just think if all those gun owners where organized and trained in a well regulated state militia. Could actually serve a public service, and put all those guns to good use.
rmgill Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 You make claims to being a moderate and then you spew vacuous crap like this? You want to make desires to be training, then get out and train? There are LOTS of new gun owners looking for training and assistance at ranges. Put your time where your mouth is.
sunday Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Of course, regulation has such a stellar history...
rmgill Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how the guy from Massachusetts can claim that the scope of regulations up there have any remote function towards making the Massachusetts militia more effective and finely tuned than the folks out here in Flyover country. Round here, people can actually go practice without having to get permission from the state first, and without threat of arrest for stopping for fuel/food on the way to/from the range.
Paul G. Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 You make claims to being a moderate and then you spew vacuous crap like this? You want to make desires to be training, then get out and train? There are LOTS of new gun owners looking for training and assistance at ranges. Put your time where your mouth is. Quoting part of the 2nd Amendment and advocating service to one's country is "vacuous crap"? Interesting. Sounds like you are threatened by the concept of service. Oh I've put my time in. Over 20 years.
rmgill Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) What do the profuse and many regulations on the militia in Massachusetts have to do with service as a soldier in the US military Paul? Nothing. That's what makes it vacuous. Folks like you argue for more regulation of the militia while doing NOTHING to actually make the militia as you see it more capable. You, apparently, just see it as a backdoor for more authoritarian control of society. Edited December 1, 2016 by rmgill
Paul G. Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 I really think you need to do some research on history of the militia. That last post makes zero sense. Avoiding Authoritarian control was the reason the militia was created.
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