The Great Camo Boondoggle

[Panzermann]

It is not only brown, it is mostly light brown tones and in hte washing machine the printing fades inevitably.

 

 

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Sad. OD really is the closest to a univeral pattern, especially after a bit of fading.

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it is a troop trial. I put my money on it being binned for budgetary reasons. Part of the trial is also modern fabrics against heat and impregnations against infrared and image intensifiers.

 

I put my money on it costs too much for a conscript army on a budget.

Edited July 7, 2018 by Panzermann

[Dawes]

+1 on the older British DPM:

 

[shep854]

+2. Best-looking temperate pattern of them alland as pointed out, it works!

[Chris Werb]

MTP/Multicam really is eerily good at breaking up the human form compared to DPM though.

 

These (slightly Walty) videos do a good job of comparing MTP, DPM and Flecktarn in a variety of deciduous woodland settings.

 

 

 

[Dawes]

To our UK folks regarding the above picture taken from "The Wild Geese", are those actual military ranks being worn or just creations for the film?

[shep854]

Note that Brent0331 (A Marine infantry Gunnery Sergeant, BTW) is in rather light-colored Texas brush country. In the deciduous woodland of central Alabama where I live, the DPM and other darker patterns would blend much better.

[Dark_Falcon]

Note that Brent0331 (A Marine infantry Gunnery Sergeant, BTW) is in rather light-colored Texas brush country. In the deciduous woodland of central Alabama where I live, the DPM and other darker patterns would blend much better.

 

The problem is that an army is only going to issue one type of uniform for both of those terrain type (special forces excepted). So what would a good compromise look like?

[Colin]

To our UK folks regarding the above picture taken from "The Wild Geese", are those actual military ranks being worn or just creations for the film?

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[lastdingo]

 

Note that Brent0331 (A Marine infantry Gunnery Sergeant, BTW) is in rather light-colored Texas brush country. In the deciduous woodland of central Alabama where I live, the DPM and other darker patterns would blend much better.

 

The problem is that an army is only going to issue one type of uniform for both of those terrain type (special forces excepted). So what would a good compromise look like?

 

 

There's the ancient answer of printing both sides of a fabric differently. This was figured out (how to do) in the 1920's.

You would need to use a compromise pattern or colour for all that dangling gear (pouches, belt and so on) and for gloves, though.

 

Another approach is to simply not trust camouflage patterns and to issue but a basic pattern and convince everybody that additional, terrain-adapted camouflage measures have to be taken.

The use of nothing but factory-made camouflage patterns is for non-combat, non-recce troops.

[Panzermann]

 

To our UK folks regarding the above picture taken from "The Wild Geese", are those actual military ranks being worn or just creations for the film?

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The rank insignia is inspired by the british ones, but took liberties. e.g. Colonel Faulkner has three stars and a bar to indicate his rank instead of a crown.. Makes sense as they were not fighting for the queen.

[rmgill]

Pips. The diamonds are pips.

[R011]

Pips. The diamonds are pips.

 

That's the popular name. Technically, they are called stars. The UK uses the stars (the fancy breast badges) of the Order of the Bath and the Order of the Garter depending on regiment.

[Panzermann]

 

Pips. The diamonds are pips.

 

That's the popular name. Technically, they are called stars. The UK uses the stars (the fancy breast badges) of the Order of the Bath and the Order of the Garter depending on regiment.

 

 

in practice both look very much like the four pointed stars many other armies pin on shoulders. Globally the USA are the really odd ones with their officer rank insignia. Well their generals are in line with most of the world.

 

 

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times of israel has smething on the new camo currently undergoing testing. mostly notieceable for the hires photos attached:

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-try-out-new-camo-uniforms-to-replace-drab-green-ones/

 

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/06/WhatsApp_Image_2018-06-23_at_17.24.39.jpeg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/06/WhatsApp_Image_2018-06-23_at_17.24.39_2.jpeg

 

the cut is a really old fashioend one that will suck when wearing any kind of armour or loadbearing vest. I hope they also ahve a "combat shirt" in the works.

 

I hadn't noticed in the lower res versions that the CAR-15 has a new buttstock.

 

 

 

and This is an armour staff sergeant, why does he wear anything but an oil-stained coverall?

[Dark_Falcon]

 

 

Pips. The diamonds are pips.

 

That's the popular name. Technically, they are called stars. The UK uses the stars (the fancy breast badges) of the Order of the Bath and the Order of the Garter depending on regiment.

 

 

in practice both look very much like the four pointed stars many other armies pin on shoulders. Globally the USA are the really odd ones with their officer rank insignia. Well their generals are in line with most of the world.

 

 

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times of israel has smething on the new camo currently undergoing testing. mostly notieceable for the hires photos attached:

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-try-out-new-camo-uniforms-to-replace-drab-green-ones/

 

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/06/WhatsApp_Image_2018-06-23_at_17.24.39.jpeg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/06/WhatsApp_Image_2018-06-23_at_17.24.39_2.jpeg

 

the cut is a really old fashioend one that will suck when wearing any kind of armour or loadbearing vest. I hope they also ahve a "combat shirt" in the works.

 

I hadn't noticed in the lower res versions that the CAR-15 has a new buttstock.

 

 

 

and This is an armour staff sergeant, why does he wear anything but an oil-stained coverall?

 

 

Newer magazine, too, in the last photo. It has the orange follower.

[Panzermann]

Israel stays wiht the current olive-greenish unfiorms. The cloth touted as breathable wasn't and was sweaty in Israel and the usual IFF reason with all the arabsa around them loving to wear colourful camouflage suits. The new cut seems to not have been that great either.

 

IDF DITCHES CAMOUFLAGE UNIFORM PROJECT

Israeli Army abandons its long-awaited switch to Camo

 

 

https://agilitegear.com/blogs/news/idf-ditches-new-camouflage-uniform-project

 

 

Though the article misses an important point about Israel. Yes, Israel is mostly dry, but only half of the year. The other half it is actually very green, when the rain falls. So the greenish uniforms are good enough and brown would stick out.

[Panzermann]

The dutch tankers of Duits-Nederlandse 414 Tankbataljon are the first to receive the new fractal camouflage pattern:

 

Speurtocht naar nieuw camouflagepatroon

 

 

 

Interesting details on the coveralls. I bet the velcro patches are going to be torn off all the time climbing around on the Leopards.

[shep854]

"Newer magazine, too, in the last photo. It has the orange follower."--Dark__Falcon

Perfect application for P-mags and their pop-off covers.

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Dirt and mud will quickly cause OD and green to blend in. The colors can also simulate shadows for the observant wearer.

[Chris Werb]

The dutch tankers of Duits-Nederlandse 414 Tankbataljon are the first to receive the new fractal camouflage pattern:

 

Speurtocht naar nieuw camouflagepatroon

 

 

 

Interesting details on the coveralls. I bet the velcro patches are going to be torn off all the time climbing around on the Leopards.

 

This cammo is going merge at very close ranges. It might as well be OD. It's definitely a step back from the Dutch version of DPM.

[JWB]

The U.S. Army gives a whole new meaning to wardrobe malfunction

 

Kevin Petersen is a student at Columbia University’s School of General Studies and a U.S. Army veteran of Operation Freedom’s Sentinel in Afghanistan.

Soldiers leave the U.S. Army for a variety of reasons, but they all experience the same nightmare before getting out: turning in their equipment. The process typically takes a week of searching for, inventorying and scrubbing clean every last knee pad, grenade pouch and canteen issued since basic training. If you’re missing a piece of gear, tough luck — you pay for it. No exceptions.

It doesn’t help that the service has issued three different patterns of the same exact item since 2005.......

When it came time to turn the gear back in, I had to account for all $12,456.09 worth of equipment that had been lent to me, despite only ever using a fraction of it. Thankfully, periodic inventory-taking meant I was missing only a few pieces, which I was able to replace at surplus stores for about $100, avoiding the higher tab the Army would have charged.....As a result of its disorganization, the Army has tremendous stockpiles of outdated equipment collecting dust even as soldiers are spending money from their own modest paychecks to buy magazine pouches that actually shut securely and boots that conform to regulations but are better and more comfortable than standard issue. What makes this waste particularly harmful is its accompanying opportunity cost: The money spent on researching, producing and distributing new uniforms every few years would have been immensely more effective if instead it had been used to provide the best possible equipment to the soldiers who need it the most, such as infantrymen and engineers who are directly involved in combat operations. Army National Guard Specialist James A. Slape, working in an ordnance-disposal unit, was killed by a roadside bomb as he searched for explosives in Afghanistan in October 2018. According to the New York Times, his unit’s repeated requests for better equipment, such as the advanced mine detector, were turned down for lack of funding. While U.S. soldiers continue to go to war under-equipped, at least they’ll look sharp marching around in their sharp Army Greens the next time a president orders up a military parade

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/01/us-army-gives-whole-new-meaning-wardrobe-malfunction/?utm_term=.0a7286f47fb6