JWB Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 As is common, competence is inversely proportional to ostentatiousness. The true badasses are typically wearing sterile, plain Jane shit. S/F.....Ken MSukhomlinov Effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Another boondoogle: Afghan C-27As scrappedThe scrapping of 16 C-27As delivered to the Afghan Air Force began in July. The aircraft were withdrawn from service during March, less than fi ve years after the fi rst examples entered service. The US Air Force purchased 20 G222s that had previously been operated by the Italian Air Force and were refurbished by Alenia. Although the fi rst two aircraft were delivered to Kabul in November 2009, due to poor serviceability the Spartans never achieved full operational capability. By the time the aircraft were taken out of service, 16 had been delivered and the remaining four were fl own to Ramstein Air Base, Germany for storage. The Afghan C-27A program reportedly cost US taxpayers $596 million. Tom Kaminski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Jeez.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Color me uninformed but whatever happened to plain olive drab for the Army and dungarees for the Navy for "working" uniforms?to much common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Great getting new boots...and new t-shirts, and new belts. “To correspond with the introduction of the Operational Camouflage Pattern starting in the summer of 2015, the Army will change the color for the Army Combat Boot to a coyote brown color,” according to Thursday’s U.S. Army news release. As part of the new OCP, soldiers will wear new t-shirts and belts made in a darker “tan 499 color,” the release states.Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2014/11/army-selects-coyote-brown-combat.html#ixzz3MAtW3uvc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 So a change in boots AND belts? With the usual accompanying wear out date extensions? I expect there will be a lot more eye twitching by Senior NCO's at formation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11E30 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 At least none of you guys had to suffer the indigunity of wearing perment press OD fatigues. Came in around 78 -80, just before the BDU's came out. Couldn't press them and the first time you washed the perment press when away. Really thin and wore out the ass end real quick. Totally usless any where else but in an office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) That's about the time the Navy toyed with polyester 'easy care' uniforms. Which lasted until the first fire... Edited December 18, 2014 by shep854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 A reminder of the problem--I bet aggressors love it! Sorry I couldn't get a bigger imagehttp://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/02/17/army-completing-testing-for-jungle-boots-designed-for-pacific.html?ESRC=eb.nl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Soldiers Line Up to Buy New Camouflage Uniforms http://kitup.military.com/2015/07/soldiers-line-buy-camouflage-uniforms.html'In the first week of the July 1 rollout, soldiers have been standing in long lines to buy the Army’s new camouflage uniforms in record numbers, according to Army Air Force Exchange Service officials.'Army Combat Uniforms in the new Operational Camouflage Pattern are now available at Military Clothing Sales stores at 20 locations and “demand has been exceptionally high, with the exchange reporting first-day sales in excess of $1.4 million,” according to Debra Dawson, spokeswoman for the Army’s Program Executive Office Soldier.'I bet this will be the fastest uniform transition in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Soldiers Line Up to Buy New Camouflage Uniforms http://kitup.military.com/2015/07/soldiers-line-buy-camouflage-uniforms.html'In the first week of the July 1 rollout, soldiers have been standing in long lines to buy the Army’s new camouflage uniforms in record numbers, according to Army Air Force Exchange Service officials.'Army Combat Uniforms in the new Operational Camouflage Pattern are now available at Military Clothing Sales stores at 20 locations and “demand has been exceptionally high, with the exchange reporting first-day sales in excess of $1.4 million,” according to Debra Dawson, spokeswoman for the Army’s Program Executive Office Soldier.'I bet this will be the fastest uniform transition in history. That looks like an updated version of the BDU's.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Soldiers Line Up to Buy New Camouflage Uniforms http://kitup.military.com/2015/07/soldiers-line-buy-camouflage-uniforms.html'In the first week of the July 1 rollout, soldiers have been standing in long lines to buy the Army’s new camouflage uniforms in record numbers, according to Army Air Force Exchange Service officials.'Army Combat Uniforms in the new Operational Camouflage Pattern are now available at Military Clothing Sales stores at 20 locations and “demand has been exceptionally high, with the exchange reporting first-day sales in excess of $1.4 million,” according to Debra Dawson, spokeswoman for the Army’s Program Executive Office Soldier.'I bet this will be the fastest uniform transition in history. Im in no rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Soldiers Line Up to Buy New Camouflage Uniforms http://kitup.military.com/2015/07/soldiers-line-buy-camouflage-uniforms.html'In the first week of the July 1 rollout, soldiers have been standing in long lines to buy the Army’s new camouflage uniforms in record numbers, according to Army Air Force Exchange Service officials.'Army Combat Uniforms in the new Operational Camouflage Pattern are now available at Military Clothing Sales stores at 20 locations and “demand has been exceptionally high, with the exchange reporting first-day sales in excess of $1.4 million,” according to Debra Dawson, spokeswoman for the Army’s Program Executive Office Soldier.'I bet this will be the fastest uniform transition in history. That looks like an updated version of the BDU's.....? There's a story. Its a Govmint owned version of Crye Multicam called Scorpion. Developed way back by the ASSC in 2004 but the Army chose UCP instead. So in 2010 Crye sold the Army a version of it's own cammo for Afghanistan when it was determined UCP was a fail. Now $5 BILLION investment in UCP and 10 years later the Army is going BACK to the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Who's idea was UCP? Who got their stars with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 That looks like old Woodland again.. well at least they will now look like Americans again and not smurfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Who's idea was UCP? Who got their stars with that? Good question. Somthing I have been trying to determine. Program Executive Office (PEO) Soldier was the responsible directorate. “It got into political hands before the soldiers ever got the uniforms,” said Cheryl Stewardson, a textile technologist at the Army research center in Natick, Mass.,The brigadier general ultimately responsible for the decision, James Moran, who retired from the Army after leaving Program Executive Office Soldier, has not responded to messages seeking comment. http://www.strikehold.net/2012/06/24/us-army-camouflage-the-ucp-story/ GEN Peter Schoomaker was the CSA at the time. http://www.army.mil/article/79353/PEO_Soldier_celebrates_anniversary__welcomes_new_leader__unveils_new_logo/ Retired Brig. Gen. James R. Moran, who was tasked with standing up PEO Soldier in 2002, recalled how just 10 years ago the organization's headquarters was in an abandoned motor pool and PEO Soldier Equipment was based in an abandoned warehouse. The war wasn't expected to last but a few months, so there was no real thought of growing the organization, he said. Moran said he wasn't deterred by the Washington, D.C., cynicism, but was instead moved after making trips to the military morgue in Delaware to pay respects to the country's war dead from Iraq and Afghanistan. There he saw fatherless children, pregnant wives and despairing parents. He also recollected the years of worry when his father had served in Korea and later Vietnam. When Moran retired in 2006, PEO Soldier's budget had grown to $3.2 billion. In 2012, it's nearly twice that. Highlights from PEO Soldier's first 10 years include: 6 highlights listed....UCP is not one of them. The problem, the researchers said, was an oddly named branch of the Army in charge of equipping soldiers with gear — Program Executive Office Soldier — had suddenly ordered Natick’s camouflage team to pick a pattern long before trials were finished. “They jumped the gun,” said James Fairneny, an electrical engineer on Natick’s camouflage team. Researchers said they received a puzzling order: Take the winning colors and create a pixilated pattern. Researchers were ordered to “basically put it in the Marine Corps pattern,” Fairneny said. For a decision that could ultimately affect more than a million soldiers in the Army, reserves and National Guard, the sudden shift from Program Executive Office Soldier was a head-scratcher. The consensus among the researchers was the Army brass had watched the Marine Corps don their new uniforms and caught a case of pixilated camouflage envy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 That looks like old Woodland again.. well at least they will now look like Americans again and not smurfs.Kinda sorta...its not pixilated like woodland but it is lighter and much superior to woodland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 And don't forget, UCP was one of the LOSING patterns, when it was selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 And don't forget, UCP was one of the LOSING patterns, when it was selected. Some vet on Funker's FB page went off on me when I criticized it. Well, good luck to you if you trust your life to that. Any love for CADPAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I've seen it written that CADPAT was a development of pixilating techniques originally worked out at Natick. The Marines then took CADPAT and tweaked it to come up with MARPAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Use the UCP gear in the field for training till it's gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G. Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Use the UCP gear in the field for training till it's gone That would make too much sense. But that is not the way the US Army operates. Didn't work that way for the woodland to UCP transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) Use the UCP gear in the field for training till it's goneWhy not make them wear Blaze orange to make their use of camouflage that much more challenging? You can synergize the blaze orange with safety initiatives while you're at it. Think of the bulking out of every platoon leader's pre-mission risk avoidance plan! Edited July 10, 2015 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Use the UCP gear in the field for training till it's goneOr just use it for non-combat units stateside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 There is a whole complicated process of transitioning UCP->OCP or UCP->OEF-CP or OEF-CP->OCP .... oh,my aching head. http://soldiersystems.net/2015/04/13/us-army-ocp-transition-update/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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