Visualised T. O. E.

[Leo Niehorster]

Oi, I am only trying to help, 'ere.

 

Seriously, I do appreciate all critique, especially from people as interested and knowledgeable as you, Dave.

 

Cheers

Leo

[Fritz]

Btw, everyone here is entitled one model request. I know Banshee will love a Kittenkrad, and perhaps a panzer on a rail car for Stuart?

[Leo Niehorster]

Well, you've already done my very favorite (early StuG), but an early armored radio car (6×4) (with bedframe antenna) [sd.Kfz. 263] would be nice.

[BansheeOne]

I know Banshee will love a Kittenkrad

 

 

 

I think I'll rather hold out until capacities for the Russian American TOEs free up.

[Lieste]

Lt Gruber's 'my little tank'?

SdKfz 222, I think... ...in fact any of the Recon stuff would be nice...

[Fritz]

 

I know Banshee will love a Kittenkrad

 

 

 

I think I'll rather hold out until capacities for the Russian American TOEs free up.

 

[Fritz]

Quick q, somehow I can't find the answer even in Panzertruppen.
After France the Germans doubled their Panzer divisions by splitting, so the new Panzer divisions had 1 pz and 2 mot inf regiments. Was the new organization dictated solely by necessity (only enough pzs for 1 regiment / often not even that / ) or was it experience saying "we need higher inf-to-pz ratio in the division".

[Simon Tan]

The problem was a lack of infantry to keep up with the Panzers during the exploitation phase. Panzer Divisions often found themselves woefully short of infantry to hold on to key nodes even if they could seize them. Thus not only did they increase the infantry ratio, they also built new MotZ/Light Divisions to flesh out the Panzergruppe.

Unlike the Brits for example, the bulk of the Infanteriedivisionen were leg units with very limited motorization. One the panzers galloped off, they would plod forward in the wake.

[Leo Niehorster]

Analysis of the 1940 France Campaign had shown that the amount of infantry in the Panzer Division was insufficient. So, by 1941 there were 41 mechanized regiments in the Panzer Divisions. One of the major reasons for the lessening of the number of tanks was to avoid the Panzer divisions from become too large, and therefore unwieldy. (This same reason the motorized infantry divisions had been reduced by two-thirds in size, namely from three to two infantry regiments, with a corresponding reducing in support and the service elements).

Another reason was that neither German industry nor that of the occupied countries was in the position of providing enough motor vehicles, let alone enough armored vehicles, including tanks.

On the surface, the Panzer divisions appeared to be halved in armored strength. This was not the case, as the tank regiments themselves were much stronger.
Number of gun tanks fielded in:
1 September 1939 — Fall Weiss was 264 (number of Panzer divisions: 9; average number of gun tank/division: 29.3) plus 188 in 5 non-divisional Regiments (4+½+½), giving an average number of gun tanks/non-divisional tank regiment as 37.6.
10 May 1940 — Fall Gelb was 1052 (number of Panzer divisions: 10; average number of gun tanks/division: 95.2) plus 3 in non-divisional units.
22 June 1941 — Barbarossa was 2224 (number of Panzer divisions: 19*; average number of gun tanks/division: 117.1) plus 13 in non-divisional battalions.

 

* NOTE: Including the 5th Light Division, but not the 2nd & 5th Panzer Divisions, which, having just participated from the Balkans, were pretty well used up, (apparently most of the tanks were returned to the factories for overhaul).

[Dave Clark]

Btw, everyone here is entitled one model request. I know Banshee will love a Kittenkrad, and perhaps a panzer on a rail car for Stuart?

 

I think something like this would be perfect for Stuart!

 

[Fritz]

In Soviet Russia, artist tells YOU what you like. You like glorious workers' armored car!

 

 

 

 

 

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I will now admit I have made quite a bit more vehicles than I've shown here. I am not going to post everything for the time being because reasons. Some of them will likely at some point show up on T.O.E.s anyway.

 

But that panzer-train thing looks quite cute so it's a good suggestion. I might do it when I need a diversion.

 

Now back to trying to get the hang of doing decent at least recognizable human figures.

[Simon Tan]

BA-Humbug.

The models seem to have a very injection-PE feel to them.

Anyway.....*you want to do M39............*

[Fritz]

The models seem to have a very injection-PE feel to them.

 

I did not understand this.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Fritz

[Simon Tan]

They look like they are made from plastic.

 

Edited May 17, 2013 by Simon Tan

[Fritz]

Yes, that's exactly what I was going for. I want them to look like they are small scale plastic models. It took me 2-3 weeks of fiddling with the material settings to get this look where I wanted it. I wanted LOTS of tanks and I don't have the time for LOTS of realistic tanks, so I settled for something simpler.

[BansheeOne]

In fact I'd like an M18 Hellcat which is a favorite of mine. Pulling the turret off for Simon's M39 (or first building the latter, then put a turret on it) should be easy then.

[Marek Tucan]

...and gunshields and RusAm flag and....

 

Plus the 105mm SP arty variant

 

EDIT: Re. the armored car (superb work ), it seems that at least for light AC (and I guess for heavy ones as well) the organisation was similar to tanks: Company of 10 vehicles in 3 platoons, plus a med. truck for command section.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Tuccy

[Fritz]

I think I'll rather hold out until capacities for the Russian American TOEs free up.

 

Give me the tables already.

[Fritz]

 

I think I'll rather hold out until capacities for the Russian American TOEs free up.

 

Give me the tables already.

 

"peers into Red Ice Box thread"

 

[Dave Clark]

Looking good.

 

Civilian vehicles — both personnel and load carrying — could be any of a whole range of German or booty vehicles, of all brands, makes, models, etc. Take your pick.

 

The third trailer was not a Gulashkanone. Motorized artillery units had field stove(s) ( Feldküche(n) ) mounted on 3-ton trucks in the Gefechtstrosss. I suspect that the third trailer was a towed generator/battery charger (Anhänger (1 achs.) für Sammlerladegerät — Sd.Ah. 23). In which case, one of the 3-ton trucks was a battery vehicle (Sammlerkraftwagen — Kfz. 42).

 

Cheers

Leo

 

 

 

Just for fun, here's a photo of the Sd. Ah. 23

 

 

And for completeness a photo of it in operation, complete with the tail-end of a Sammlerkraftwagen — Kfz. 42

 

[Fritz]

Good references, thanks.

[BansheeOne]

"peers into Red Ice Box thread"

 

 

You tried the sudden complete exposure method? Very unwise.

 

Since you're currently doing the company level, here is the type 1944b cavalry squadron:

 

 

- HQ Squad (1 x M18 tank destroyer, 1 x M39 scout vehicle, 1 x jeep)

- QM Squad (1 x Ford 0.75 t truck, 3 x Ford 3 t truck, 1 x Ford 3 t tanker truck)

- Maintenance Squad (2 x M3A1 halftrack, 1 x Ford 0.75 t truck)

- 3 x Cavalry Troop (3 x M18 tank destroyer, 4 x M39 scout vehicle)

 

- Mortar Troop (3 x M39 utility vehicle, 3 x M39 mortar carrier w/ 81 mm M1 mortar)

- Anti-Air Troop (1 x M3A1 halftrack, 3 x T10 halftrack w/ 20 mm Oerlikon AA gun)

For our purposes, all M39 variants look the same and have a .50 cal. M2 machinegun on ring mount atop the troop compartment (gun shields are planned). There was the idea of an ARV variant which would replace the halftracks in the maint squad and an AA variant with 20 mm Oerlikons to replace the T10s in the AA troop; they have not yet been introduced, but will probably come and make graphic representation easier.

[Fritz]

 

I assume this is the guy.

 

 

Also need your color scheme.

 

 

 

.............

 

 

Also don't miss Stuart's present

 

http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=37718&p=1016062

Edited May 18, 2013 by Fritz

[BansheeOne]

Good question. I had always envisioned our army vehicles to be painted a generic drab olive; I suspect it will not be too different from our American neighbors, or the Soviets for that matter.

 

We have not talked about particular national identifiers like the Balkenkreuz, though I assume in Europe they will bear the ubiquitous US-style white star like most Allied forces seem to have done. Obviously we are using the traditional Russian tricolore flag, and the old Imperial Russian Air Force roundel on aircraft. Somewhere I have a draft for the post-WW II constitution based upon the 1906 Fundamental Laws which specifies the black double-headed eagle without any of the Tsarist frills as the Russian American coat of arms.

[Fritz]

 

 

is not too bad, if we reduce the amount of red. I'll play with it when I get home.